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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Uncle Mort on September 20, 2018, 11:43:19 AM
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
Sadly, it isn't hard to imagine such a turn of events Uncle... noooo:
Brexit in our time or some such....
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
I wouldn't give her that much credit. Chamberlain saved the UK with that rearmament time buying deal yet history has treated him badly for it
May frankly hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing, why she's doing it, where's she's trying to get to and who she needs to work with to get there
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
I wouldn't give her that much credit. Chamberlain saved the UK with that rearmament time buying deal yet history has treated him badly for it
May frankly hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing, why she's doing it, where's she's trying to get to and who she needs to work with to get there
I suspect that May knows exactly what she is doing. She never wanted to leave the EU but realises that to hold another referendum, regardless of the result, will destroy what tiny shreds of a chance she has of remaining in power at the next election. So instead she's tying us in with the Chequers deal as much as she thinks she will get away with. Then when she does get voted out she can slide into a cushy job somewhere in the EU.
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She has been playing a long game and I suspect there are deals being done in the back rooms.
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
I wouldn't give her that much credit. Chamberlain saved the UK with that rearmament time buying deal yet history has treated him badly for it
May frankly hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing, why she's doing it, where's she's trying to get to and who she needs to work with to get there
Yes, an unforeseen consequence of caving in to Hitler. Lets hope there's so unforeseen gain in caving in to the EU.
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
I wouldn't give her that much credit. Chamberlain saved the UK with that rearmament time buying deal yet history has treated him badly for it
May frankly hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing, why she's doing it, where's she's trying to get to and who she needs to work with to get there
I suspect that May knows exactly what she is doing. She never wanted to leave the EU but realises that to hold another referendum, regardless of the result, will destroy what tiny shreds of a chance she has of remaining in power at the next election. So instead she's tying us in with the Chequers deal as much as she thinks she will get away with. Then when she does get voted out she can slide into a cushy job somewhere in the EU.
May was always a Leaver
She affected to switch to Remain in 2016 because she thought that was her best route to be PM as she thought Remain would win
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
I wouldn't give her that much credit. Chamberlain saved the UK with that rearmament time buying deal yet history has treated him badly for it
May frankly hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing, why she's doing it, where's she's trying to get to and who she needs to work with to get there
I suspect that May knows exactly what she is doing. She never wanted to leave the EU but realises that to hold another referendum, regardless of the result, will destroy what tiny shreds of a chance she has of remaining in power at the next election. So instead she's tying us in with the Chequers deal as much as she thinks she will get away with. Then when she does get voted out she can slide into a cushy job somewhere in the EU.
May was always a Leaver
She affected to switch to Remain in 2016 because she thought that was her best route to be PM as she thought Remain would win
If May was truly a leaver then she would have had a much better idea of how to implement it from the get go.
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She has been playing a long game and I suspect there are deals being done in the back rooms.
Indeed, there is so much 'fake news' these days that we really have no idea what is going on... noooo:
Ultimately, I believe the genie can't be put back in the bottle and even if we leave with BINO it will be the start of a process that ultimately sees us leave completely and possibly the end of the EU too...
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It looks like May isn't coming back with a piece of paper after all. I think the Chequers deal is dead and it's time to tell the EU to eff off.
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It looks like May isn't coming back with a piece of paper after all. I think the Chequers deal is dead and it's time to tell the EU to eff off.
FU EU! :thumbsup:
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Why do I picture Teresa May returning from Salzburg waving a piece of paper à la Neville Chamberlain rubschin:
I wouldn't give her that much credit. Chamberlain saved the UK with that rearmament time buying deal yet history has treated him badly for it
May frankly hasn't got a fucking clue what she's doing, why she's doing it, where's she's trying to get to and who she needs to work with to get there
I suspect that May knows exactly what she is doing. She never wanted to leave the EU but realises that to hold another referendum, regardless of the result, will destroy what tiny shreds of a chance she has of remaining in power at the next election. So instead she's tying us in with the Chequers deal as much as she thinks she will get away with. Then when she does get voted out she can slide into a cushy job somewhere in the EU.
May was always a Leaver
She affected to switch to Remain in 2016 because she thought that was her best route to be PM as she thought Remain would win
If May was truly a leaver then she would have had a much better idea of how to implement it from the get go.
What you miss is how incompetent she has always been. Her hate for the EU comes from her confusing it with the Council of Europe and the latter pointing out that the reason they wouldn't accept her appeal against rulings was she kept getting the paperwork wrong
She really is several pence short of a full pound. Remember she only got to be PM because Boris, Gove and Dreadsom all bungled their bids
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What you miss is how incompetent she has always been. Her hate for the EU comes from her confusing it with the Council of Europe and the latter pointing out that the reason they wouldn't accept her appeal against rulings was she kept getting the paperwork wrong
She really is several pence short of a full pound. Remember she only got to be PM because Boris, Gove and Dreadsom all bungled their bids
I wish she stop flogging the dead horse that is the Chequers deal. Nobody but her wants it. And its about time she told the Irish, both north and south that a soft border is out of the question.
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What you miss is how incompetent she has always been. Her hate for the EU comes from her confusing it with the Council of Europe and the latter pointing out that the reason they wouldn't accept her appeal against rulings was she kept getting the paperwork wrong
She really is several pence short of a full pound. Remember she only got to be PM because Boris, Gove and Dreadsom all bungled their bids
I wish she stop flogging the dead horse that is the Chequers deal. Nobody but her wants it. And its about time she told the Irish, both north and south that a soft border is out of the question.
Problem is with no many red lines on all sides there is no deal that works unless someone blinks. Chequers was a punt to find a way through them
A hard border in Ireland has all sorts of potential secondary consequences neither she nor Arlene Foster have any clear democratic mandate for. More practically has anyone got the ability to get such through parliament?
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Chequers was a punt to find a way through them
I think you'd find that the Irish use Euros these days. whistle:
Seriously though the EU will not accept any form of soft border. There has to be some kind of customs check either at the border or somewhere in the import/export chain. Unfortunately neither would be accepted by the Irish on either side of the border, both of which see a refusal as a way of getting big concessions from the UK government. If only we could have cut Northern Ireland adrift a hundred years ago noooo: The Ulster Unionists were a problem then and still are today.
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Chequers was a punt to find a way through them
I think you'd find that the Irish use Euros these days. whistle:
Seriously though the EU will not accept any form of soft border. There has to be some kind of customs check either at the border or somewhere in the import/export chain. Unfortunately neither would be accepted by the Irish on either side of the border, both of which see a refusal as a way of getting big concessions from the UK government. If only we could have cut Northern Ireland adrift a hundred years ago noooo: The Ulster Unionists were a problem then and still are today.
It could well end up with NI (and Scotland) being cut adrift as the demand for plebiscites will increase
The first would be good, the second would just make it all worse
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Chequers was a punt to find a way through them
I think you'd find that the Irish use Euros these days. whistle:
Seriously though the EU will not accept any form of soft border. There has to be some kind of customs check either at the border or somewhere in the import/export chain. Unfortunately neither would be accepted by the Irish on either side of the border, both of which see a refusal as a way of getting big concessions from the UK government. If only we could have cut Northern Ireland adrift a hundred years ago noooo: The Ulster Unionists were a problem then and still are today.
It could well end up with NI (and Scotland) being cut adrift as the demand for plebiscites will increase
The first would be good, the second would just make it all worse
I'm not so sure about Scotland, for all her bluster Sturgeon knows that if she managed to gain independence she isn't guaranteed immediate membership in the EU and her coffers can't cover the increased costs of losing Westminster funding for the interim period (something which could be years as they would have to apply as a new member given that it was the UK not Scotland that had membership previously).
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Chequers was a punt to find a way through them
I think you'd find that the Irish use Euros these days. whistle:
Seriously though the EU will not accept any form of soft border. There has to be some kind of customs check either at the border or somewhere in the import/export chain. Unfortunately neither would be accepted by the Irish on either side of the border, both of which see a refusal as a way of getting big concessions from the UK government. If only we could have cut Northern Ireland adrift a hundred years ago noooo: The Ulster Unionists were a problem then and still are today.
It could well end up with NI (and Scotland) being cut adrift as the demand for plebiscites will increase
The first would be good, the second would just make it all worse
I'm not so sure about Scotland, for all her bluster Sturgeon knows that if she managed to gain independence she isn't guaranteed immediate membership in the EU and her coffers can't cover the increased costs of losing Westminster funding for the interim period (something which could be years as they would have to apply as a new member given that it was the UK not Scotland that had membership previously).
If we flounce out with no deal then I reckon the EU-27 would find a way to entice Scotland
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I hardly think Scotland would need to be enticed.
Nicola Sturgeon is one of those who are happy to stir up trouble over Brexit. Like others, she sees it a way to gain more power.
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I hardly think Scotland would need to be enticed.
Nicola Sturgeon is one of those who are happy to stir up trouble over Brexit. Like others, she sees it a way to gain more power.
She wants independence and that 62:38 vote in Scotland to remain gave her not just a massive lever but a serious electoral will to respond to.
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I hardly think Scotland would need to be enticed.
Nicola Sturgeon is one of those who are happy to stir up trouble over Brexit. Like others, she sees it a way to gain more power.
She wants independence and that 62:38 vote in Scotland to remain gave her not just a massive lever but a serious electoral will to respond to.
No doubt someone will remind her that her last independence bid would have resulted in an automatic Scoxit.
To rejoin, the EU would impose fiscal requirements that would turn Scotland into a sunless Greece.
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I hardly think Scotland would need to be enticed.
Nicola Sturgeon is one of those who are happy to stir up trouble over Brexit. Like others, she sees it a way to gain more power.
She wants independence and that 62:38 vote in Scotland to remain gave her not just a massive lever but a serious electoral will to respond to.
No doubt someone will remind her that her last independence bid would have resulted in an automatic Scoxit.
To rejoin, the EU would impose fiscal requirements that would turn Scotland into a sunless Greece.
Indeed but in 2014 the EU would have shown prime loyalty to us, no obligation to do same after 2019 and anyway all accession treaties are bespoke so they could and likely would offer Scotland all sorts of fine tuning like letting them keep the Scot £
Interesting to see that Ruth Davidson was threatening to resign over some of the suggested Chequers/Chuckers deal variations.
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;D ;D ;D
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I see that there is proposition to extend the transition period; from the EU I presume. Watching May announce it you can tell that see that she was going to say a year but she hesitates and says months instead.
We are caught between Ireland and the EU. A rock and a hard place indeed!
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I see that there is proposition to extend the transition period; from the EU I presume. Watching May announce it you can tell that see that she was going to say a year but she hesitates and says months instead.
We are caught between Ireland and the EU. A rock and a hard place indeed!
She's running out of wiggle room for sure and this is getting more toxic by the day with Raab now being alleged to have tried a double cross of the back benchers link (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45897488)
Saturday could be an interesting day.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/3d5cG6Xc/Guy-Fawkes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3d5cG6Xc)
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Happy Brexit Day!
Party001: Party001: Party001: Party001:
...oh
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Happy Brexit Day!
Party001: Party001: Party001: Party001:
...oh
sad32: sad32: sad32:
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Well we obviously can't have a party as parties don't do Brexit lol:
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Well we obviously can't have a party as parties don't do Brexit lol:
drumroll:
happy001
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What fun! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47752017)
Hard Brexit on the cards :thumbsup:
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What fun! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47752017)
Hard Brexit on the cards :thumbsup:
Bloody hell! eeek:
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Assuming that by some massive fluke Labour don't get into No. 10 as given that Corbyn has already screwed over the majority of his heartland supporters who voted to leave and I can see him just stopping the entire process. noooo:
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Well we obviously can't have a party as parties don't do Brexit lol:
drumroll:
happy001
drumroll: drumroll:
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What fun! (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47752017)
Hard Brexit on the cards :thumbsup:
Well you can get 12/5 odds on that with further referendum on 11/5. The outcome 'on the cards' is still she gets her deal through. That's 3/10.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/brexit (https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/brexit)
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I see the Leave march and rally hasn't exactly overwhelmed Westminster
You'd get more termites in a McDees burger box
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I see the Leave march and rally hasn't exactly overwhelmed Westminster
You'd get more termites in a McDees burger box
To be fair they started from Sunderland which means that a lot of the local marchers would have been distracted by civilisation after leaving that shithole
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I see the Leave march and rally hasn't exactly overwhelmed Westminster
You'd get more termites in a McDees burger box
To be fair they started from Sunderland which means that a lot of the local marchers would have been distracted by civilisation after leaving that shithole
lol: lol: lol:
Good news was no violence of any significance and the Leave march did remind us all about the importance of PTMS
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I would redface:
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I would redface:
Which of the 4 are you talking about... whistle:
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noooo:
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noooo:
Terrible... noooo:
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More Brexit fun (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250)
Jeremy Corbyn has urged the leaders of the other opposition parties and Tory rebels to install him as caretaker PM in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.
happy001
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More Brexit fun (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250)
Jeremy Corbyn has urged the leaders of the other opposition parties and Tory rebels to install him as caretaker PM in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.
happy001
Pathetic isn't it, who does he think he's fooling? Corbers (as a life ling Leaver) is trying to use Brexit as a way to become PM when what he should have been doing is use his Leader of the Opposition role to oppose the gubberment
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More Brexit fun (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250)
Jeremy Corbyn has urged the leaders of the other opposition parties and Tory rebels to install him as caretaker PM in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.
happy001
happy002
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http://youtu.be/_Y8dCCDi31E
What on earth was Konnie Huq taking before the show? noooo:
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http://youtu.be/_Y8dCCDi31E
What on earth was Konnie Huq taking before the show? noooo:
eeek:
Way too much of your special reserve strongest coffee?
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http://youtu.be/_Y8dCCDi31E
What on earth was Konnie Huq taking before the show? noooo:
eeek:
Way too much of your special reserve strongest coffee?
I remember her as a fresh faced presenter on Blue Peter back in the day. It takes more than my special blend to turn someone from that to a screaming deranged harridan noooo:
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http://youtu.be/_Y8dCCDi31E
What on earth was Konnie Huq taking before the show? noooo:
eeek:
Way too much of your special reserve strongest coffee?
I remember her as a fresh faced presenter on Blue Peter back in the day. It takes more than my special blend to turn someone from that to a screaming deranged harridan noooo:
and to think that once upon a time I might have (and there'd have been a long queue)
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Now even his brother can’t stand being in the same party as Boris
happy001
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It's a soap opera!!
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What amazes me is...is now everyone is a fu88ing political reporter on FB ...people I know who are terminally stupid ..suddenly have a view !!!!... noooo:
A poor ill-informed view ..but still posting ........ rubschin:
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It's a soap opera!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygRwWgcB/Brexit-Trek.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygRwWgcB)
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It's a soap opera!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygRwWgcB/Brexit-Trek.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygRwWgcB)
Who's to blame for the continued delay? I'll give you a clue... It's not leavers.
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It's a joke Uncle
Just like that Boris who pretends he's been negotiating when he's done no such thing having spent the 2 years before he became PM making sure no one could successfully negotiate
Here's another joke
(https://www.onlondon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ToryManifesto.png)
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It is fun watching the ex-pats here ..all panicing ... lol: Expecting to be kicked out ... lol: lol:
I lived here pre EU (Cyprus )....
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It is fun watching the ex-pats here ..all panicing ... lol: Expecting to be kicked out ... lol: lol:
I lived here pre EU (Cyprus )....
:thumbsup:
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
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It is fun watching the ex-pats here ..all panicing ... lol: Expecting to be kicked out ... lol: lol:
I lived here pre EU (Cyprus )....
I know... We came in 2002...
The amazing thing is how the Remoaners suddenly shuddup about it when one of their dire predictions doesn't actually happen but just switch to the next instead... lol:
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
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Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
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Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
Thumbs:
Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
Yep and Booze ..and local grub ...
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
Thumbs:
Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
Yep and Booze ..and local grub ...
Yarp... sad24:
I loved all of those 'look alike' spirits, 'Cyprus Comfort'... lol:
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
Thumbs:
Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
Yep and Booze ..and local grub ...
Yarp... sad24:
I loved all of those 'look alike' spirits, 'Cyprus Comfort'... lol:
Famous Goose ..even had same label .... ;D ;D
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
Thumbs:
Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
Yep and Booze ..and local grub ...
Yarp... sad24:
I loved all of those 'look alike' spirits, 'Cyprus Comfort'... lol:
Famous Goose ..even had same label .... ;D ;D
lol: lol: lol:
The barstaff used to say, "do you want local spirits or real ones?"
If they asked for a real one they would get a glass of spirit poured from a Famous Grouse bottle that had been re-filled 437 times with Famous Goose!
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facepalm:
And that's if they were lucky?
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
Thumbs:
Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
Yep and Booze ..and local grub ...
Yarp... sad24:
I loved all of those 'look alike' spirits, 'Cyprus Comfort'... lol:
Famous Goose ..even had same label .... ;D ;D
lol: lol: lol:
The barstaff used to say, "do you want local spirits or real ones?"
If they asked for a real one they would get a glass of spirit poured from a Famous Grouse bottle that had been re-filled 437 times with Famous Goose!
Yep ...and all the wankers ...."I only drink imported ".......... point:
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Must be ficked by the exchange rate and the possible loss of healthcare.....
Well, of course they all claim the exchange rate has fallen from £1 = €1.40 as if it was always that... lol:
But they get reciprocal healthcare if retired and Cyprus is just introducing a 'NHS' style health system...
:thumbsup:
Cyprus isn't going to want to lose the money bearing retired anymore than Spain is. I'd have thought the only real risk is on right to work and I'm assuming that being there pre EU improves rights on that
I will happilly bet a fair few Zimbawean dollars (and maybe real ones) that if there's no deal we will see story after story of tabloid stories about tattooed fools that should have bought travel insurance, didn't and really shouldn't have jumped from great heights into shallow ends of pools in Cyprus etc
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Personally prefered pre=EU .......a lot cheaper ..although less choice of consumer goods ... rubschin:
There were no twiglets ....... noooo:
Yes, fuel was dirt cheap... cry:
Yep and Booze ..and local grub ...
Yarp... sad24:
I loved all of those 'look alike' spirits, 'Cyprus Comfort'... lol:
Famous Goose ..even had same label .... ;D ;D
lol: lol: lol:
The barstaff used to say, "do you want local spirits or real ones?"
If they asked for a real one they would get a glass of spirit poured from a Famous Grouse bottle that had been re-filled 437 times with Famous Goose!
Yep ...and all the wankers ...."I only drink imported ".......... point:
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Just when you think that parliament can't look any more ludicrous...
Throwing yourself over Bercow to prevent him from leaving, the rest of the world must think we are a bloody laughing stock noooo:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7446767/Self-serving-patronising-morons-Fury-Remainer-MPs-scuffle-stop-Parliaments-suspension.html
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As ridiculous as an unelected PM with a negative majority of -28 seeking to use a faux GE timing device to be able to take us out on no deal without further parliamentary scrutiny?
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
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As ridiculous as an unelected PM with a negative majority of -28 seeking to use a faux GE timing device to be able to take us out on no deal without further parliamentary scrutiny?
Which previous PM was elected...? rubschin:
It doesn't work like that does it...? ::)
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
happ096
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
happ096
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But apart from that, what has democracy done for us?
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
happ096
happ096 happ096
But apart from that, what has democracy done for us?
lol: lol: lol:
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
happ096
happ096 happ096
But apart from that, what has democracy done for us?
lol: lol: lol:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/08/shawn-rosenberg-democracy-228045
rubschin:
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
No, a parliament that's unhappy the Brexit plan is very far from what they were promised by that liar Bojo so won't let him run with his pyrrhic plan or allow him to force it on the country by getting permission for an election using a false promise it'd be October 14th
You do know how to spot when Boris is lying don't you?
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
No, a parliament that's unhappy the Brexit plan is very far from what they were promised by that liar Bojo so won't let him run with his pyrrhic plan or allow him to force it on the country by getting permission for an election using a false promise it'd be October 14th
You do know how to spot when Boris is lying don't you?
Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? How about Corbyn's 'we will abide by the results of the referendum' speech. The single biggest handicap that the negotiations had was a parliament that was fighting itself instead of working together to come up with the best deal for the country. And let's he honest about Labour here, most of the northern constituencies who voted to leave had watched their labour MP fight for the remain side in total contempt for those who had elected them. That is why the coward is terrified of having an election before the end of October. Plus the EU knows just how weak it is economically at the moment and that a no deal brexit would likely have been the start of the collapse as they would have not only lost one of their primary contributors but also seen Germany's economy go into recession not to mention that France is already ignoring their deficit. That's why there have been a noticeable number of European politicians demanding that the EU comes up with a deal that is fair to the UK. No deal was the ultimate bargaining tool before a large number of MP's put the EU before the UK.
As for MP's trying to stop something being forced on the country, let's look at the organisation that they are fighting to remain a part of.
The French had a referendum on the EU constitution where they voted overwhelmingly against. It was later repackaged as the Lisbon Treaty and Sarkosy signed it into law without giving the electorate a say in the matter.
The Irish referendum on the same treaty had to be repeated until the Irish said yes, and that wasn't the first time that had happened.
The Irish referendum on the treaty of Nice was also repeated until they said yes.
While they did an appalling job of it the democratically elected government of Greece was forced to stand down and be replaced by eurocrats before aid money was made available an action that could easily be described as an economic coup. And I'm sure that BM and co can give a good description of the economic effects of that new leadership on the area.
If you are going to condemn something being forced on a country then you do it equally across the board. Unless that is, you want a cushy job in the commission once you have left office.
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You mean a parliament that has decided the referendum result wasn't what they wanted and have been hell for leather in their attempts to stop Brexit despite the hypocrisy of knowing that despite the referendum using the exact same procedures and protocols as the election that voted them in, in most, if not all cases, the percentage majority who voted to leave is greater than the percentage of those who did not vote them into individual office. An opposition leader who's only reason for blocking legitimate elections is that he knows he has royally fucked over his party's heartland and would get hammered at the polls. A speaker who has ignored the core tenant of his role to be an impartial voice. A remain core who have gone out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK just for the chance of being able to overturn a democratic decision.
No, a parliament that's unhappy the Brexit plan is very far from what they were promised by that liar Bojo so won't let him run with his pyrrhic plan or allow him to force it on the country by getting permission for an election using a false promise it'd be October 14th
You do know how to spot when Boris is lying don't you?
Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? How about Corbyn's 'we will abide by the results of the referendum' speech. The single biggest handicap that the negotiations had was a parliament that was fighting itself instead of working together to come up with the best deal for the country. And let's he honest about Labour here, most of the northern constituencies who voted to leave had watched their labour MP fight for the remain side in total contempt for those who had elected them. That is why the coward is terrified of having an election before the end of October. Plus the EU knows just how weak it is economically at the moment and that a no deal brexit would likely have been the start of the collapse as they would have not only lost one of their primary contributors but also seen Germany's economy go into recession not to mention that France is already ignoring their deficit. That's why there have been a noticeable number of European politicians demanding that the EU comes up with a deal that is fair to the UK. No deal was the ultimate bargaining tool before a large number of MP's put the EU before the UK.
As for MP's trying to stop something being forced on the country, let's look at the organisation that they are fighting to remain a part of.
The French had a referendum on the EU constitution where they voted overwhelmingly against. It was later repackaged as the Lisbon Treaty and Sarkosy signed it into law without giving the electorate a say in the matter.
The Irish referendum on the same treaty had to be repeated until the Irish said yes, and that wasn't the first time that had happened.
The Irish referendum on the treaty of Nice was also repeated until they said yes.
While they did an appalling job of it the democratically elected government of Greece was forced to stand down and be replaced by eurocrats before aid money was made available an action that could easily be described as an economic coup. And I'm sure that BM and co can give a good description of the economic effects of that new leadership on the area.
If you are going to condemn something being forced on a country then you do it equally across the board. Unless that is, you want a cushy job in the commission once you have left office.
happ096
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Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? . . .
No there's at least Gove, Patel and Raab as well as yes Corbyn
You have to ask yourself two questions
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
- what legal guarantee did liar Boris provide that once given permission for an early election he wouldn't make it Nov 5th?
And that's why Labour etc didn't vote for that early election
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Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? . . .
No there's at least Gove, Patel and Raab as well as yes Corbyn
You have to ask yourself two questions
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
- what legal guarantee did liar Boris provide that once given permission for an early election he wouldn't make it Nov 5th?
And that's why Labour etc didn't vote for that early election
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No, they voted 'Leave' it was the binary choice they were offered - Remain or Leave...
(https://i.postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp/EU-referendum-ballot-paper-638210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp)
As I've pointed out before, 'No Deal', 'Crashing out without a deal' etc. are post-referendum scary terms invented by loser Remoaners...
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Unlike most MP's I'm not arrogant enough to speak for the public so I'll say that in my case I voted leave knowing that it would mean the end of the trade deals but believing that the EU would negotiate in good faith in order to maintain the income stream. I certainly didn't vote for the brexit in name only garbage that May put forward.
You mean despite the fact that he had specifically requested a mid October election so that a new government was in place before the leave date. Plus Boris is well aware that an election now would give him a clear majority due to massive gains in Labour's former heartlands.
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Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? . . .
No there's at least Gove, Patel and Raab as well as yes Corbyn
You have to ask yourself two questions
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
- what legal guarantee did liar Boris provide that once given permission for an early election he wouldn't make it Nov 5th?
And that's why Labour etc didn't vote for that early election
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No, they voted 'Leave' it was the binary choice they were offered - Remain or Leave...
(https://i.postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp/EU-referendum-ballot-paper-638210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp)
As I've pointed out before, 'No Deal', 'Crashing out without a deal' etc. are post-referendum scary terms invented by loser Remoaners...
So maybe ask your self why did Boris vote against leaving?
Because the specifics are important perchance?
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Unlike most MP's I'm not arrogant enough to speak for the public so I'll say that in my case I voted leave knowing that it would mean the end of the trade deals but believing that the EU would negotiate in good faith in order to maintain the income stream. I certainly didn't vote for the brexit in name only garbage that May put forward.
You mean despite the fact that he had specifically requested a mid October election so that a new government was in place before the leave date. Plus Boris is well aware that an election now would give him a clear majority due to massive gains in Labour's former heartlands.
Boris winning an election now is by no means certain. May thought she had a slam dunk and realised to her cost that elections are fought on a raft of issues and that 'for the many, not the few. slogan will be as powerful now as it was in 2017
There's a whole range of reasons why 17.4 million voted to Leave and even why so many remain supporters apparently didn't bother to vote at all. Whatever your reasons for voting Leave I suggest two things are certain
Many, maybe millions would have agreed with you
But to get past that 50% line, millions were voting for that leave with free trade promise Boris, Gove etc gave them in writing.
And if anyone doubts that just put no deal to a vote. But then the polls say they'd lose so no surprise that they don't want that
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Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? . . .
No there's at least Gove, Patel and Raab as well as yes Corbyn
You have to ask yourself two questions
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
- what legal guarantee did liar Boris provide that once given permission for an early election he wouldn't make it Nov 5th?
And that's why Labour etc didn't vote for that early election
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No, they voted 'Leave' it was the binary choice they were offered - Remain or Leave...
(https://i.postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp/EU-referendum-ballot-paper-638210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp)
As I've pointed out before, 'No Deal', 'Crashing out without a deal' etc. are post-referendum scary terms invented by loser Remoaners...
So maybe ask your self why did Boris vote against leaving?
Because the specifics are important perchance?
How on Earth does that relate to your original question...? ::)
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
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Unlike most MP's I'm not arrogant enough to speak for the public so I'll say that in my case I voted leave knowing that it would mean the end of the trade deals but believing that the EU would negotiate in good faith in order to maintain the income stream. I certainly didn't vote for the brexit in name only garbage that May put forward.
You mean despite the fact that he had specifically requested a mid October election so that a new government was in place before the leave date. Plus Boris is well aware that an election now would give him a clear majority due to massive gains in Labour's former heartlands.
Boris winning an election now is by no means certain. May thought she had a slam dunk and realised to her cost that elections are fought on a raft of issues and that 'for the many, not the few. slogan will be as powerful now as it was in 2017
There's a whole range of reasons why 17.4 million voted to Leave and even why so many remain supporters apparently didn't bother to vote at all. Whatever your reasons for voting Leave I suggest two things are certain
Many, maybe millions would have agreed with you
But to get past that 50% line, millions were voting for that leave with free trade promise Boris, Gove etc gave them in writing.
And if anyone doubts that just put no deal to a vote. But then the polls say they'd lose so no surprise that they don't want that
Absolute bollox! You have no idea why people voted - you certainly have no idea why I voted any more than I know why Remoaners voted as they did... ::)
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Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? . . .
No there's at least Gove, Patel and Raab as well as yes Corbyn
You have to ask yourself two questions
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
- what legal guarantee did liar Boris provide that once given permission for an early election he wouldn't make it Nov 5th?
And that's why Labour etc didn't vote for that early election
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No, they voted 'Leave' it was the binary choice they were offered - Remain or Leave...
(https://i.postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp/EU-referendum-ballot-paper-638210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp)
As I've pointed out before, 'No Deal', 'Crashing out without a deal' etc. are post-referendum scary terms invented by loser Remoaners...
So maybe ask your self why did Boris vote against leaving?
Because the specifics are important perchance?
When exactly did Boris vote against leaving? Looking at his history following the referendum the most you could accuse him of is not turning up to 2 votes.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10999/boris_johnson/uxbridge_and_south_ruislip/divisions?policy=6761
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Unlike most MP's I'm not arrogant enough to speak for the public so I'll say that in my case I voted leave knowing that it would mean the end of the trade deals but believing that the EU would negotiate in good faith in order to maintain the income stream. I certainly didn't vote for the brexit in name only garbage that May put forward.
You mean despite the fact that he had specifically requested a mid October election so that a new government was in place before the leave date. Plus Boris is well aware that an election now would give him a clear majority due to massive gains in Labour's former heartlands.
Boris winning an election now is by no means certain. May thought she had a slam dunk and realised to her cost that elections are fought on a raft of issues and that 'for the many, not the few. slogan will be as powerful now as it was in 2017
There's a whole range of reasons why 17.4 million voted to Leave and even why so many remain supporters apparently didn't bother to vote at all. Whatever your reasons for voting Leave I suggest two things are certain
Many, maybe millions would have agreed with you
But to get past that 50% line, millions were voting for that leave with free trade promise Boris, Gove etc gave them in writing.
And if anyone doubts that just put no deal to a vote. But then the polls say they'd lose so no surprise that they don't want that
May never bothered to campaign for the election. She apparently put her trust in her advisors which led to the result that it did. It seems strange though that she put the pair of them forward for CBE's, seems a funny way to reward someone for a total balls up...unless that was the intention in the first place.
As far as the polls are concerned, I know I've said this before but give me a staffed call centre and a £20k budget for data and I can get you any poll result you want. Anyone with a little know how can put together a profile for specific group then purchase the matching data from a supply company and bingo, you have the desired result.
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I refer the honourable gentlemen to my earlier post which referred to Capital Punishment.
If you held a Plebiscite on bringing it back, the Plebs would vote in favour of it.
Grown up Politicos know this, and would never ask the Great Unwashed, because when the answer was 'Yes' they would have to do it.
What you cannot do is ignore the answer which you don't like, that is what will break the system.
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Are you trying to say that Boris is the only dishonest politician in Westminster? . . .
No there's at least Gove, Patel and Raab as well as yes Corbyn
You have to ask yourself two questions
- did the public (narrowly) vote for no deal or the promise made by Vote Leave?
- what legal guarantee did liar Boris provide that once given permission for an early election he wouldn't make it Nov 5th?
And that's why Labour etc didn't vote for that early election
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No, they voted 'Leave' it was the binary choice they were offered - Remain or Leave...
(https://i.postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp/EU-referendum-ballot-paper-638210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gL3TTRpp)
As I've pointed out before, 'No Deal', 'Crashing out without a deal' etc. are post-referendum scary terms invented by loser Remoaners...
So maybe ask your self why did Boris vote against leaving?
Because the specifics are important perchance?
When exactly did Boris vote against leaving? Looking at his history following the referendum the most you could accuse him of is not turning up to 2 votes.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10999/boris_johnson/uxbridge_and_south_ruislip/divisions?policy=6761
Jan 15th and March 12th he voted against the governments plan to leave the EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46885828
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47547887
We'd have been out by now if he and the other Tory rebels had voted differently
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I refer the honourable gentlemen to my earlier post which referred to Capital Punishment.
If you held a Plebiscite on bringing it back, the Plebs would vote in favour of it.
Grown up Politicos know this, and would never ask the Great Unwashed, because when the answer was 'Yes' they would have to do it.
What you cannot do is ignore the answer which you don't like, that is what will break the system.
happ096
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Unlike most MP's I'm not arrogant enough to speak for the public so I'll say that in my case I voted leave knowing that it would mean the end of the trade deals but believing that the EU would negotiate in good faith in order to maintain the income stream. I certainly didn't vote for the brexit in name only garbage that May put forward.
You mean despite the fact that he had specifically requested a mid October election so that a new government was in place before the leave date. Plus Boris is well aware that an election now would give him a clear majority due to massive gains in Labour's former heartlands.
Boris winning an election now is by no means certain. May thought she had a slam dunk and realised to her cost that elections are fought on a raft of issues and that 'for the many, not the few. slogan will be as powerful now as it was in 2017
There's a whole range of reasons why 17.4 million voted to Leave and even why so many remain supporters apparently didn't bother to vote at all. Whatever your reasons for voting Leave I suggest two things are certain
Many, maybe millions would have agreed with you
But to get past that 50% line, millions were voting for that leave with free trade promise Boris, Gove etc gave them in writing.
And if anyone doubts that just put no deal to a vote. But then the polls say they'd lose so no surprise that they don't want that
Absolute bollox! You have no idea why people voted - you certainly have no idea why I voted any more than I know why Remoaners voted as they did... ::)
Apart from having read the various professional analyses and talked to numerous leave voters and attended my MP's meetings where leave voters have expressed a whole range of reasons why they voted then no I know nothing
FFS BM do you want serious debate in the Commons or do you just want to bash anyone that doesn't line up with your view?
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Unlike most MP's I'm not arrogant enough to speak for the public so I'll say that in my case I voted leave knowing that it would mean the end of the trade deals but believing that the EU would negotiate in good faith in order to maintain the income stream. I certainly didn't vote for the brexit in name only garbage that May put forward.
You mean despite the fact that he had specifically requested a mid October election so that a new government was in place before the leave date. Plus Boris is well aware that an election now would give him a clear majority due to massive gains in Labour's former heartlands.
Boris winning an election now is by no means certain. May thought she had a slam dunk and realised to her cost that elections are fought on a raft of issues and that 'for the many, not the few. slogan will be as powerful now as it was in 2017
There's a whole range of reasons why 17.4 million voted to Leave and even why so many remain supporters apparently didn't bother to vote at all. Whatever your reasons for voting Leave I suggest two things are certain
Many, maybe millions would have agreed with you
But to get past that 50% line, millions were voting for that leave with free trade promise Boris, Gove etc gave them in writing.
And if anyone doubts that just put no deal to a vote. But then the polls say they'd lose so no surprise that they don't want that
Absolute bollox! You have no idea why people voted - you certainly have no idea why I voted any more than I know why Remoaners voted as they did... ::)
Apart from having read the various professional analyses and talked to numerous leave voters and attended my MP's meetings where leave voters have expressed a whole range of reasons why they voted then no I know nothing
FFS BM do you want serious debate in the Commons or do you just want to bash anyone that doesn't line up with your view?
You Remoaners languish in the naive view that everybody was ambivalent about the EU before the vote...
...and that the stupid people (like me obvs.) saw a sign on a bus and were persuaded to vote Leave based on that and other 'lies' that nasty 'Farage' told... ::)
Which is all bollox.
I was denied a vote in 1975 as I was too young but for many years I have been unhappy with the direction the EU is taking and was keen to leave years before the opportunity to vote on it was given to us in 2016. There are millions more like me.
Unsurprisingly, the 'the various professional analyses' you have read and the 'numerous leave voters' you have talked to all agree with you that the EU is the best thing since sliced bread... ::)
But the vote was for Leave and we should Leave, like it or not... ;)
And if you don't like the way I run my forum the Leave option is always open to you.
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You Remoaners languish in the naive view that everybody was ambivalent about the EU before the vote...
...and that the stupid people (like me obvs.) saw a sign on a bus and were persuaded to vote Leave based on that and other 'lies' that nasty 'Farage' told... ::)
Which is all bollox. . . .
No one has said that
And sure as eggs are eggs you didn't get over that 50% line by everyone that voted leave having the Farage fundamentalist view.
FFS even 18 months after the referendum a huge number of voters were found to still believe that £350M lie.
There are many different versions of what Brexit could look like, no deal certainly wasn't what was promised in 2016 or compatible with what either the Tories or Labour stood on in 2017. It's legitimate for such elected MPs to keep rejecting it and demand an exit that does match what they were elected on.
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You Remoaners languish in the naive view that everybody was ambivalent about the EU before the vote...
...and that the stupid people (like me obvs.) saw a sign on a bus and were persuaded to vote Leave based on that and other 'lies' that nasty 'Farage' told... ::)
Which is all bollox. . . .
No one has said that
And sure as eggs are eggs you didn't get over that 50% line by everyone that voted leave having the Farage fundamentalist view.
FFS even 18 months after the referendum a huge number of voters were found to still believe that £350M lie.
There are many different versions of what Brexit could look like, no deal certainly wasn't what was promised in 2016 or compatible with what either the Tories or Labour stood on in 2017. It's legitimate for such elected MPs to keep rejecting it and demand an exit that does match what they were elected on.
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Believe me, twixt insults pretty much everybody has said that - Leavers have been putting up with the same old claim for three years... ::)
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Oh dear: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855
'Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.'
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Oh dear: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855
'Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.'
I wonder why they chose the clearly unbiased Scottish civil court to contest this
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/brexit-news-2049759.webp?r=1568144511627)
Nope, can't think of a reason at all.
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Oh dear: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855
'Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.'
I wonder why they chose the clearly unbiased Scottish civil court to contest this
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/brexit-news-2049759.webp?r=1568144511627)
Nope, can't think of a reason at all.
lol: lol: lol:
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Please ...Anyone throwing their toys out their pram ......
Please make sure they do not go into Nick's garden .... Thumbs:
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Please ...Anyone throwing their toys out their pram ......
Please make sure they do not go into Nick's garden .... Thumbs:
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Oh dear: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855
'Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.'
I wonder why they chose the clearly unbiased Scottish civil court to contest this
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/brexit-news-2049759.webp?r=1568144511627
Nope, can't think of a reason at all.
Well the actual reason was that Scottish Courts of Session weren't on holiday when the so called Cherry action started (their High Court doesn't do summer adjournments)
But it's weird that two courts can give diametrically opposed rulings. #10 might need to ponder how near they came to losing the Wilson and Others v The Prime Minister and Bojo's previous Misconduct in Public Office cases because the get outs in each of those don't apply in this case
It's definite Popcorn: time
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Oh dear: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855
'Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.'
I wonder why they chose the clearly unbiased Scottish civil court to contest this
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/brexit-news-2049759.webp?r=1568144511627
Nope, can't think of a reason at all.
Well the actual reason was that Scottish Courts of Session weren't on holiday when the so called Cherry action started (their High Court doesn't do summer adjournments)
But it's weird that two courts can give diametrically opposed rulings. #10 might need to ponder how near they came to losing the Wilson and Others v The Prime Minister and Bojo's previous Misconduct in Public Office cases because the get outs in each of those don't apply in this case
It's definite Popcorn: time
David Starkey brought up an interesting point earlier, all of the remainer MP's who are protesting actions taken against the constitution are guilty of the exact same thing as they are trying to overturn the result of a democratically held referendum because they don't agree with the way the electorate voted. I can see that making for an interesting counter argument in the courts, especially as it could be used to justify the prorouging.
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Isn't the Scottish legal system different to that in England and therefore more likely to give the result they desired...?
So it is almost definitely going to be defeated when it returns to the High Court (or whatever) in London...?
Who is paying for this nonsense...?
I presume the British taxpayer is getting hosed for the defence costs...?
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The action is crowd funded (I didn't chip in on this one both because I didn't think it stood much chance and the whole thing is Cummings yet again playing his opponents into action that helps him)
Government pays its own costs and has refused to pay costs for the other side in the numerous cases that it has lost on Brexit.
As for Meister's question, if the referendum had constitutional import then a rerun would have been ordered by now (see Wilson and Others v Prime Minister) but it doesn't so the constitutional point that dominates is that no parliament can bind a successor.
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The action is crowd funded (I didn't chip in on this one both because I didn't think it stood much chance and the whole thing is Cummings yet again playing his opponents into action that helps him)
Government pays its own costs and has refused to pay costs for the other side in the numerous cases that it has lost on Brexit.
As for Meister's question, if the referendum had constitutional import then a rerun would have been ordered by now (see Wilson and Others v Prime Minister) but it doesn't so the constitutional point that dominates is that no parliament can bind a successor.
The taxpayer then...? ::)
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Well the government got us into this mess so yes they should pay their own costs and the public hold them accountable. They could of course have a referendum on whether it should be so or government ministers that made it inevitable
Classic lie by gubberment minister Ben Wallace this morning "no one said it (Brexit) would be easy" Oh yes they fucking did you lying clown Wallace. Over and over.
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Classic lie by gubberment minister Ben Wallace this morning "no one said it (Brexit) would be easy" Oh yes they fucking did you lying clown Wallace. Over and over.
Having trouble trying to find anyone who said it would be easy. Can you give me some pointers please.
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Classic lie by gubberment minister Ben Wallace this morning "no one said it (Brexit) would be easy" Oh yes they fucking did you lying clown Wallace. Over and over.
Having trouble trying to find anyone who said it would be easy. Can you give me some pointers please.
“Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox
“The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove
“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.” John Redwood
“Within two years – before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete and therefore before anything material has changed – we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU" David Davis
"After we Vote Leave, British businesses will trade freely with the EU" Boris and the rest of the Vote Leave campaign board
They'll be more out there
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And those statements would be true if (a)Verhofstad negotiated in good faith instead of ignoring WTO rules by demanding money for a trade agreement and trying to make an example of the UK so that other increasingly eurosceptic countries wouldn't follow suit and (b)the majority of parliament and Whitehall didn't decide to defy the results of a democratically held referendum and go out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK and finally (c)we hadn't been stitched up with a prime minister who is either completely incompetent or couldn't be more remain oriented if she had 'I love the EU' tattooed on her arse.
And before you say that May is not a remainer, Hanlon's razor can only be applied so many times before malice becomes a far more likely reason than incompetence.
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And those statements would be true if (a)Verhofstad negotiated in good faith instead of ignoring WTO rules by demanding money for a trade agreement and trying to make an example of the UK so that other increasingly eurosceptic countries wouldn't follow suit and (b)the majority of parliament and Whitehall didn't decide to defy the results of a democratically held referendum and go out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK and finally (c)we hadn't been stitched up with a prime minister who is either completely incompetent or couldn't be more remain oriented if she had 'I love the EU' tattooed on her arse.
And before you say that May is not a remainer, Hanlon's razor can only be applied so many times before malice becomes a far more likely reason than incompetence.
Precisely!
happ096
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And those statements would be true if (a)Verhofstad negotiated in good faith instead of ignoring WTO rules by demanding money for a trade agreement and trying to make an example of the UK so that other increasingly eurosceptic countries wouldn't follow suit and (b)the majority of parliament and Whitehall didn't decide to defy the results of a democratically held referendum and go out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK and finally (c)we hadn't been stitched up with a prime minister who is either completely incompetent or couldn't be more remain oriented if she had 'I love the EU' tattooed on her arse.
And before you say that May is not a remainer, Hanlon's razor can only be applied so many times before malice becomes a far more likely reason than incompetence.
The point at hand was the Defence Minister lying his arse off saying "no one said it would be easy"
Anyone who'd thought it through knew it wouldn't be. You can't spend years saying the EU is a far and ugly wife and then expect them to be keen to do the ironing after the divorce. The EU was always going to negotiate on behalf of their interests not ours
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And those statements would be true if (a)Verhofstad negotiated in good faith instead of ignoring WTO rules by demanding money for a trade agreement and trying to make an example of the UK so that other increasingly eurosceptic countries wouldn't follow suit and (b)the majority of parliament and Whitehall didn't decide to defy the results of a democratically held referendum and go out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK and finally (c)we hadn't been stitched up with a prime minister who is either completely incompetent or couldn't be more remain oriented if she had 'I love the EU' tattooed on her arse.
And before you say that May is not a remainer, Hanlon's razor can only be applied so many times before malice becomes a far more likely reason than incompetence.
The point at hand was the Defence Minister lying his arse off saying "no one said it would be easy"
Anyone who'd thought it through knew it wouldn't be. You can't spend years saying the EU is a far and ugly wife and then expect them to be keen to do the ironing after the divorce. The EU was always going to negotiate on behalf of their interests not ours
If they did that they'd want a FTA...
You know, cars, washing machines, wine, cheese, etc. ;)
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And those statements would be true if (a)Verhofstad negotiated in good faith instead of ignoring WTO rules by demanding money for a trade agreement and trying to make an example of the UK so that other increasingly eurosceptic countries wouldn't follow suit and (b)the majority of parliament and Whitehall didn't decide to defy the results of a democratically held referendum and go out of their way to weaken the bargaining position of the UK and finally (c)we hadn't been stitched up with a prime minister who is either completely incompetent or couldn't be more remain oriented if she had 'I love the EU' tattooed on her arse.
And before you say that May is not a remainer, Hanlon's razor can only be applied so many times before malice becomes a far more likely reason than incompetence.
The point at hand was the Defence Minister lying his arse off saying "no one said it would be easy"
Anyone who'd thought it through knew it wouldn't be. You can't spend years saying the EU is a far and ugly wife and then expect them to be keen to do the ironing after the divorce. The EU was always going to negotiate on behalf of their interests not ours
If they did that they'd want a FTA...
You know, cars, washing machines, wine, cheese, etc. ;)
It's a lose lose to both sides
They lose a foot, we lose a leg, guess who'll run faster. But the real politik always was and still is if they folded to give the UK free access to the single market with no obligations then they'd lose everything, legs, arms, head as all the net contributing countries demanded same. It just never ever was a credible end game.
But our dishonest Defence Minister now seems to pretend 3 years later that that was made clear by Vote Leave leads at the time. It certainly was not, exactly the opposite. But then they needed to get that vote up from 10 million to 17 million didn't they
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Classic lie by gubberment minister Ben Wallace this morning "no one said it (Brexit) would be easy" Oh yes they fucking did you lying clown Wallace. Over and over.
Having trouble trying to find anyone who said it would be easy. Can you give me some pointers please.
“Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox
“The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove
“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.” John Redwood
“Within two years – before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete and therefore before anything material has changed – we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU" David Davis
"After we Vote Leave, British businesses will trade freely with the EU" Boris and the rest of the Vote Leave campaign board
They'll be more out there
Two mentions easy and they're prefaced with "should" and "can", not "will" or "would". Not exactly what you're implying.
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Thinking about it, I doubt anyone voting leave considered how easy or hard it would be, they just wanted out.
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Thinking about it, I doubt anyone voting leave considered how easy or hard it would be, they just wanted out.
Some would have been of that mindset. However Kings College analysed voters 2 years after the vote and found that nearly 2/3 of leave voters still believed the £350M a week lie and other myths.
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Will it help Nod with his euros tho .. rubschin:
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Will it help Nod with his euros tho .. rubschin:
;D
Sadly there are some things beyond hope
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Thinking about it, I doubt anyone voting leave considered how easy or hard it would be, they just wanted out.
Some would have been of that mindset. However Kings College analysed voters 2 years after the vote and found that nearly 2/3 of leave voters still believed the £350M a week lie and other myths.
And did the Remain voters still believe ll the Remain Campaign lies and myths at that time...? whistle:
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like the need for emergency financial action? Oh look we got that
Or that leaving would mean we'd lose our access to the single market? And guess where we're heading
Or that we'd see a downturn after leaving? Just like the Leave government now predicts
Go on what lies and myths are you thinking of?
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like the need for emergency financial action? Oh look we got that
Or that leaving would mean we'd lose our access to the single market? And guess where we're heading
Or that we'd see a downturn after leaving? Just like the Leave government now predicts
Go on what lies and myths are you thinking of?
Oh come on... ::)
All the disastrous stuff in the immediate aftermath of a Leave vote...
Wasn't it recession, mass unemployment, etc...?
Or are you truly trying to say that Project Remain was whiter than white and everything the said was true...?
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EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564)
Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.
Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower.
David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.
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No I’m not saying Remain was whiter than white. But there’s low level incompetence and there’s deliberate massive deceit and law breaking
And since we now know the projections are far different than promised by Leave an honest government would go for Measure twice cut once
Worth looking at what really happened to our GDP after the vote. Am on train now so will post it up later
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No I’m not saying Remain was whiter than white. But there’s low level incompetence and there’s deliberate massive deceit and law breaking
And since we now know the projections are far different than promised by Leave an honest government would go for Measure twice cut once
Worth looking at what really happened to our GDP after the vote. Am on train now so will post it up later
When you get time, list the laws broken and the prison sentences served...
And if you are going to go on about The Electoral Commission I'll be pointing out their massive bias against the Leave campaign and their point-blank refusal to investigate complaints against Remain... And not to forget the appalling Darren Grimes prosecution obviously...
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Grimes wasn’t prosecuted
That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side
Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account
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Grimes wasn’t prosecuted
That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side
Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account
The Electoral Commission had to face two Parliamentary Select Committees today after their humiliating defeat in court by Darren Grimes last Friday. Craig Mackinlay – who knows Electoral Commission incompetence only too well, took Chief Executive Bob Posner to task over their decision to relentlessly pursue Grimes while failing to fully investigate Remain campaign spending irregularities. Posner mumbles something about following those “strands” and “maybe” fining a couple of groups. They did nothing of the sort…
Instead Posner makes clear that the Electoral Commission are still considering appealing against the Darren Grimes judgement despite having already spent half a million of taxpayers’ cash on the case, although Posner points out that part of that was on the Vote Leave aspects of the case. The High Court having previously found that the Electoral Commission caused the problem in the first place by giving Vote Leave incorrect legal advice…
Clicky... (https://order-order.com/2019/07/23/electoral-commission-grilled-darren-grimes-cock/)
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Fortuitous timing.... whistle:
POLICE CONCLUDE LEAVE.EU CAMPAIGN DID NOT BREAK LAW DURING THE 2016 REFERENDUM (https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/police-conclude-leave-eu-campaign-not-break-law-2016-referendum/)
The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in respon
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Fortuitous timing.... whistle:
POLICE CONCLUDE LEAVE.EU CAMPAIGN DID NOT BREAK LAW DURING THE 2016 REFERENDUM (https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/police-conclude-leave-eu-campaign-not-break-law-2016-referendum/)
The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in respon
yes Guido would grossly distort the story
The Met didn't say that at all http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-lnvestigation-into-leave-dot-eu-381332 They say there was little chance of getting a criminal conviction for the fraudulent spending submissions. The spending was illegal and enabled Leave.EU to campaign ~10% more that permitted, Leave.EU lost in court on that point.
Frankly it is just ridiculous to suggest that Mrs Bilney innocently forgot to include that spend on Cambridge Analytica and Goddard Gunster that she'd OKd paying their invoices for
And the National Crime Agency is still pursuing the criminal investigation for same issue plus the EC are still being taken to court for not properly investigating where the money came from
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Grimes wasn’t prosecuted
That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side
Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account
The Electoral Commission had to face two Parliamentary Select Committees today after their humiliating defeat in court by Darren Grimes last Friday. Craig Mackinlay – who knows Electoral Commission incompetence only too well, took Chief Executive Bob Posner to task over their decision to relentlessly pursue Grimes while failing to fully investigate Remain campaign spending irregularities. Posner mumbles something about following those “strands” and “maybe” fining a couple of groups. They did nothing of the sort…
Instead Posner makes clear that the Electoral Commission are still considering appealing against the Darren Grimes judgement despite having already spent half a million of taxpayers’ cash on the case, although Posner points out that part of that was on the Vote Leave aspects of the case. The High Court having previously found that the Electoral Commission caused the problem in the first place by giving Vote Leave incorrect legal advice…
Clicky... (https://order-order.com/2019/07/23/electoral-commission-grilled-darren-grimes-cock/)
Ah more Guido ::)
Grimes was never prosecuted, fact. Get over it. What Grimes managed to show in court was he was a stupid patsy played by Michael Gove and therefore the EC shouldn't have fined him £20k as there was no mens rea for him
Vote Leave still got to have their record breaking illegal spend, nearly 10% extra for a result 'won' by a swing of a fifth of that and they very much are under investigation
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EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564)
Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.
Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower.
David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.
Oh look. UK GDP 2015-18 https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-kingdom-gdp@2x.png?s=wgdpuk&v=201907011543V20190821&d1=20150913&d2=20190913)
Now compare that on a common valuing basis with the Eurozone
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/euro-area-gdp@2x.png?s=wgdpeuro&v=201907011547V20190821&d1=20150913&d2=20190913)
And the USA
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-gdp@2x.png?s=wgdpus&v=201907011342V20190821&d1=20150913&d2=20190913)
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Fortuitous timing.... whistle:
POLICE CONCLUDE LEAVE.EU CAMPAIGN DID NOT BREAK LAW DURING THE 2016 REFERENDUM (https://order-order.com/2019/09/13/police-conclude-leave-eu-campaign-not-break-law-2016-referendum/)
The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in respon
yes Guido would grossly distort the story
The Met didn't say that at all http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-lnvestigation-into-leave-dot-eu-381332 They say there was little chance of getting a criminal conviction for the fraudulent spending submissions. The spending was illegal and enabled Leave.EU to campaign ~10% more that permitted, Leave.EU lost in court on that point.
Frankly it is just ridiculous to suggest that Mrs Bilney innocently forgot to include that spend on Cambridge Analytica and Goddard Gunster that she'd OKd paying their invoices for
And the National Crime Agency is still pursuing the criminal investigation for same issue plus the EC are still being taken to court for not properly investigating where the money came from
It is tedious how Remoaners denigrate any source that doesn't agree with their opinion... ::)
Where is the distortion in the Guido quote?
For your information, the full Met statement was included in the Guido report - but here it is from your link...
On 5 August 2019 the MPS submitted a file to the CPS for Early Investigative Advice in relation to the Leave.EU investigation and this advice has now been received.
It is clear that whilst some technical breaches of electoral law were committed by Leave.EU in respect of the spending return submitted for their campaign, there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation.
Commander Alex Murray, of Central Specialist Crime, said: “It was right to investigate the allegation, however following detailed enquiries it became apparent that the nature of potential breaches of the regulations, the criminal standard of proof required in court and the actions taken by Leave.EU to adhere to the regulations, mean that it is now appropriate to take no further action.”
Leave.EU’s responsible person has been has been told that they will face no further police action.
The full details of the technical breaches are fully detailed in the Electoral Commission report into the spending return in May 2018. This should be read in conjunction with the County Court Judgment between Leave.EU Group Ltd and the Electoral Commission of 21 March 2019.
The investigation into the spending returns of Vote Leave and BeLeave remains ongoing.
It doesn't say what you are trying to imply it says does it?
Point out the bit of the quotation that says, "there was little chance of getting a criminal conviction for the fraudulent spending submissions."
Or the bit that confirms, "The spending was illegal and enabled Leave.EU to campaign ~10% more that permitted, Leave.EU lost in court on that point."
It is bizarre that you accuse others of "deliberate massive deceit"... ::)
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Grimes wasn’t prosecuted
That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side
Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account
The Electoral Commission had to face two Parliamentary Select Committees today after their humiliating defeat in court by Darren Grimes last Friday. Craig Mackinlay – who knows Electoral Commission incompetence only too well, took Chief Executive Bob Posner to task over their decision to relentlessly pursue Grimes while failing to fully investigate Remain campaign spending irregularities. Posner mumbles something about following those “strands” and “maybe” fining a couple of groups. They did nothing of the sort…
Instead Posner makes clear that the Electoral Commission are still considering appealing against the Darren Grimes judgement despite having already spent half a million of taxpayers’ cash on the case, although Posner points out that part of that was on the Vote Leave aspects of the case. The High Court having previously found that the Electoral Commission caused the problem in the first place by giving Vote Leave incorrect legal advice…
Clicky... (https://order-order.com/2019/07/23/electoral-commission-grilled-darren-grimes-cock/)
Ah more Guido ::)
Grimes was never prosecuted, fact. Get over it. What Grimes managed to show in court was he was a stupid patsy played by Michael Gove and therefore the EC shouldn't have fined him £20k as there was no mens rea for him
Vote Leave still got to have their record breaking illegal spend, nearly 10% extra for a result 'won' by a swing of a fifth of that and they very much are under investigation
Denigrate the source and make up your own interpretation of the facts - well done... ::)
I presume, "Grimes was never prosecuted, fact." is some form of pedantry as to what exactly happened...? He won his appeal after the EC spent hundreds of thousands of Pounds nor prosecuting him...? What was it then...? Charging or something, fining...? ::)
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EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564)
Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.
Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower.
David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.
Oh look. UK GDP 2015-18 https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-kingdom-gdp@2x.png?s=wgdpuk&v=201907011543V20190821&d1=20150913&d2=20190913)
Now compare that on a common valuing basis with the Eurozone
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/euro-area-gdp@2x.png?s=wgdpeuro&v=201907011547V20190821&d1=20150913&d2=20190913)
And the USA
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-gdp@2x.png?s=wgdpus&v=201907011342V20190821&d1=20150913&d2=20190913)
And here is the 10-year chart from your own link... ::)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QF0xtn3n/chart.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QF0xtn3n)
And here is the 5-year - strangely 2014 seems to have fallen off your version...
(https://i.postimg.cc/0zTxbg4n/chart2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0zTxbg4n)
Given that we didn't even vote to leave until mid-2016 it doesn't really support the point you are trying to make does it...?
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Okay, enough Brexit discussion I think...
These posts are becoming increasingly acrimonious and it is clear that Leavers and Remainers will never agree.
The tone of the conversation just doesn't match that of the rest of the VP or what I hoped the VP would be when I set it up.
There are plenty of places on the Interwebz where we can argue over Brexit if we wish to do so.
I've always believed in 'light' moderation (in fact almost no moderation at all) and that will continue but I will stop Brexit arguments in future.