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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2019, 10:59:01 PM »
Thinking about it, I doubt anyone voting leave considered how easy or hard it would be, they just wanted out.
Some would have been of that mindset.  However Kings College analysed voters 2 years after the vote and found that nearly 2/3 of leave voters still believed the £350M a week lie and other myths.   

 
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2019, 11:20:51 PM »
Will it help Nod with his euros tho .. rubschin:

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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2019, 11:32:04 PM »
Will it help Nod with his euros tho .. rubschin:
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Sadly there are some things beyond hope
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #123 on: September 13, 2019, 03:47:56 AM »
Thinking about it, I doubt anyone voting leave considered how easy or hard it would be, they just wanted out.
Some would have been of that mindset.  However Kings College analysed voters 2 years after the vote and found that nearly 2/3 of leave voters still believed the £350M a week lie and other myths.   

 

And did the Remain voters still believe ll the Remain Campaign lies and myths at that time...?  whistle:
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #124 on: September 13, 2019, 07:40:47 AM »
like the need for emergency financial action?  Oh look we got that

Or that leaving would mean we'd lose our access to the single market?  And guess where we're heading

Or that we'd see a downturn after leaving?  Just like the Leave government now predicts

Go on what lies and myths are you thinking of?
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #125 on: September 13, 2019, 08:47:37 AM »
like the need for emergency financial action?  Oh look we got that

Or that leaving would mean we'd lose our access to the single market?  And guess where we're heading

Or that we'd see a downturn after leaving?  Just like the Leave government now predicts

Go on what lies and myths are you thinking of?

Oh come on... ::)

All the disastrous stuff in the immediate aftermath of a Leave vote...

Wasn't it recession, mass unemployment, etc...?

Or are you truly trying to say that Project Remain was whiter than white and everything the said was true...?
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2019, 08:52:49 AM »
EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury

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Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.

Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower.

David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #127 on: September 13, 2019, 09:18:49 AM »
No I’m not saying Remain was whiter than white.  But there’s low level incompetence and there’s deliberate massive deceit and law breaking

And since we now know the projections are far different than promised by Leave an honest government would go for Measure twice cut once

Worth looking at what really happened to our GDP after the vote. Am on train now so will post it up later
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #128 on: September 13, 2019, 09:59:04 AM »
No I’m not saying Remain was whiter than white.  But there’s low level incompetence and there’s deliberate massive deceit and law breaking

And since we now know the projections are far different than promised by Leave an honest government would go for Measure twice cut once

Worth looking at what really happened to our GDP after the vote. Am on train now so will post it up later

When you get time, list the laws broken and the prison sentences served...

And if you are going to go on about The Electoral Commission I'll be pointing out their massive bias against the Leave campaign and their point-blank refusal to investigate complaints against Remain... And not to forget the appalling Darren Grimes prosecution obviously...
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #129 on: September 13, 2019, 10:30:47 AM »
Grimes wasn’t prosecuted


That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side

Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #130 on: September 13, 2019, 12:33:52 PM »
Grimes wasn’t prosecuted


That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side

Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account


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The Electoral Commission had to face two Parliamentary Select Committees today after their humiliating defeat in court by Darren Grimes last Friday. Craig Mackinlay – who knows Electoral Commission incompetence only too well, took Chief Executive Bob Posner to task over their decision to relentlessly pursue Grimes while failing to fully investigate Remain campaign spending irregularities. Posner mumbles something about following those “strands” and “maybe” fining a couple of groups. They did nothing of the sort…

Instead Posner makes clear that the Electoral Commission are still considering appealing against the Darren Grimes judgement despite having already spent half a million of taxpayers’ cash on the case, although Posner points out that part of that was on the Vote Leave aspects of the case. The High Court having previously found that the Electoral Commission caused the problem in the first place by giving Vote Leave incorrect legal advice…

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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2019, 01:35:55 PM »
Fortuitous timing....  whistle:

POLICE CONCLUDE LEAVE.EU CAMPAIGN DID NOT BREAK LAW DURING THE 2016 REFERENDUM

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The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in respon
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2019, 09:14:45 PM »
Fortuitous timing....  whistle:

POLICE CONCLUDE LEAVE.EU CAMPAIGN DID NOT BREAK LAW DURING THE 2016 REFERENDUM

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The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in respon
yes Guido would grossly distort the story

The Met didn't say that at all http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-lnvestigation-into-leave-dot-eu-381332  They say there was little chance of getting a criminal conviction for the fraudulent spending submissions.  The spending was illegal and enabled Leave.EU to campaign ~10% more that permitted, Leave.EU lost in court on that point.

Frankly it is just ridiculous to suggest that Mrs Bilney innocently forgot to include that spend on Cambridge Analytica and Goddard Gunster that she'd OKd paying their invoices for

And the National Crime Agency is still pursuing the criminal investigation for same issue plus the EC are still being taken to court for not properly investigating where the money came from
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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2019, 09:19:03 PM »
Grimes wasn’t prosecuted


That’d be the EC that conspired to hide the illegal spending until after the Art 50 vote, the same EC that conspired to give special advice to only one side

Same EC that’s spending tax payers money fighting being held to account


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The Electoral Commission had to face two Parliamentary Select Committees today after their humiliating defeat in court by Darren Grimes last Friday. Craig Mackinlay – who knows Electoral Commission incompetence only too well, took Chief Executive Bob Posner to task over their decision to relentlessly pursue Grimes while failing to fully investigate Remain campaign spending irregularities. Posner mumbles something about following those “strands” and “maybe” fining a couple of groups. They did nothing of the sort…

Instead Posner makes clear that the Electoral Commission are still considering appealing against the Darren Grimes judgement despite having already spent half a million of taxpayers’ cash on the case, although Posner points out that part of that was on the Vote Leave aspects of the case. The High Court having previously found that the Electoral Commission caused the problem in the first place by giving Vote Leave incorrect legal advice…

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Ah more Guido  ::)

Grimes was never prosecuted, fact.  Get over it.  What Grimes managed to show in court was he was a stupid patsy played by Michael Gove and therefore the EC shouldn't have fined him £20k as there was no mens rea for him

Vote Leave still got to have their record breaking illegal spend, nearly 10% extra for a result 'won' by a swing of a fifth of that and they very much are under investigation



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Re: Brexit again
« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2019, 09:23:19 PM »
EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury

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Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.

Publishing Treasury analysis, he said a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower.

David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.

Oh look.  UK GDP 2015-18   https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp



Now compare that on a common valuing basis with the Eurozone



And the USA



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