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Title: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 14, 2008, 08:12:57 PM
Been watching some, on the face of it, quite compelling videos on this impending doom story, or is it fact?

P'raps our resident astronomy expert would like to air his views?

I personally think it's just another excuse for the weirdies to jump on the old bandwagon to try and create mayhem, but there again...... rubschin:



http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 07:09:55 AM
Personally I welcome its arrival.It would simplify things quite a lot
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
Usual misinformed bollocks ~ nowt to worry about.


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Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 08:57:44 AM
Usual misinformed bollocks ~ nowt to worry about.


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Is that what happens when bollox get misinformed  eeek: Looks painful.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
Usual misinformed bollocks ~ nowt to worry about.


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Serious.
Some MP over in Finland (I think) has apparently been gagged for divulging too much info about all the massive underground shelters that have been, and currently are being built for the impending doom to shelter our leaders and the 'selected few' that are considered to be the best bet for breeding a new and better future society.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on October 15, 2008, 09:23:33 AM
Usual misinformed bollocks ~ nowt to worry about.


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Serious.
Some MP over in Finland (I think) has apparently been gagged for divulging too much info about all the massive underground shelters that have been, and currently are being built for the impending doom to shelter our leaders and the 'selected few' that are considered to be the best bet for breeding a new and better future society.

 noooo:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 09:26:57 AM
They want to breed Finns?! What have they ever done? The world could get on without the Sauna bath!
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 09:58:11 AM
They want to breed Finns?! What have they ever done? The world could get on without the Sauna bath!

Your not taking this very seriously Mr Nick are you?

I'm TRYING to have a sensible and reasoned discussion about our future here.

I just hope there is plenty of CAKE in the next life. cloud9:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 10:06:21 AM
Maybe we should have a trip to Ainsdale.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 10:27:11 AM
Maybe we should have a trip to Ainsdale.

Christ on a bike! If I went with you, that WOULD be the end of the werld!  scared2:

Anyway, I'm starting to build a masshoofis bunker this weekend to store loads of cake, cus Morrisons will probably be shut after 21/12/2012. sad32:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 10:28:56 AM
They make their own cakes there.  whistle:

ANd pies
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 10:33:48 AM
<serious mode on>

Whatever the Finns are up to it's not building shelters against the imminent arrival of Planet X. It the usual crackpot theorists grabbing various unrelated facts, theories and downright lies to concoct an end of the world conspiracy.

There are lots of objects out in the far solar system, some recent discoveries are larger than than Pluto. There may even be a brown dwarf or two as well. They are very hard to spot. The thing is that they stay out there as they are in stable orbits around the sun. Thus there is no chance of them entering the inner solar system. However, there are a lot of smaller rocks that cross the Earth's orbit and they do hit the planet from time to time. The odds are still very, very low that you will be killed by one -Death by Meteorite (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/13/death-by-meteorite/) So stop worrying.

<serious mode off>

Anyone fancy a rock cake? 





Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 10:34:35 AM
They want to breed Finns?! What have they ever done? The world could get on without the Sauna bath!

Your not taking this very seriously Mr Nick are you?


Did you really expect him to?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 10:37:38 AM
<serious mode on>

Whatever the Finns are up to it's not building shelters against the imminent arrival of Planet X. It the usual crackpot theorists grabbing various unrelated facts, theories and downright lies to concoct an end of the world conspiracy.

There are lots of objects out in the far solar system, some recent discoveries are larger than than Pluto. There may even be a brown dwarf or two as well. They are very hard to spot. The thing is that they stay out there as they are in stable orbits around the sun. Thus there is no chance of them entering the inner solar system. However, there are a lot of smaller rocks that cross the Earth's orbit and they do hit the planet from time to time. The odds are still very, very low that you will be killed by one -Death by Meteorite (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/13/death-by-meteorite/) So stop worrying.

<serious mode off>

Anyone fancy a rock cake? 







So it's definitely not Boom and Bust then Uncle.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 10:45:08 AM
                                       BOOM

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                                       BUST

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Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 10:56:28 AM
So stop worrying.

<serious mode off>

Anyone fancy a rock cake? 







Not worrying at all. Quite looking forward to the reaction of the great British public when we are told NOT to panic tbh. scared:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 10:57:32 AM
Another serious thread derailed.

 ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 11:18:32 AM
Another serious thread derailed.

 ::)

The possibility of panic due to the impending doom is serious and relevant to the subject, so how does that constitute a derailment?

Seriously, when this Planet X becomes (alledgedly) visible in the sky in May 2010, I can forsee quite serious problems arising if the media start whipping up hysteria....as they've been known to do...for OUR benefit of course. ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 11:20:27 AM
If a large and mysterious planetary object appeared in the sky and seemed to be hurtling towards us I don't think even the Daily Mail could do additionally much to "whip up hysteria"
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 11:21:40 AM
Sorry Growler. That was aimed at Snoopy's post but your one slipped in between.

The point is that Planet X won't appear in the skies in 2010.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 11:26:46 AM
When then?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 11:32:18 AM
It won't appear in the skies - period

 Banghead
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 11:34:56 AM
You mean it's going so fast we won't even see it like.And what if it comes at night?

 scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 11:39:27 AM
 Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
You mean it's going so fast we won't even see it like.And what if it comes at night?

 scared2:

FFS. Banghead

You are SUPPOSED to be an intelligent man so I've been led to believe.


Planet X is currently 'hiding' behind the sun and approaching at several hundreds of thousands of mph, and is...apparently...already just visible from the far southern hemisphere...alledgedly, but will become more prevelant to us all in May 2010...so 'they' say.

For the benefit of Nick, it's NOT going to collide with Earth, but pass very close to the sun....so rumour has it.....and THAT is going to cause monsterously large disturbances on the sun that will have the effect of boiling us all to death.....very very slowly.
Seas will boil dry and the planet will be void of all useful life, which means the present government will survive.

I'm sure I watched a sci fi film about the sun swallowing up the earth slowly, many years ago. Quite scary iirc. scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 12:55:40 PM
Who are 'they' Growler?

from the Wikipedia article on IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite )

Quote
The observatory also made headlines briefly with the discovery of an "unknown object" that was at first described as "possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system."[1] However, further analysis revealed that, of several unidentified objects, nine were distant galaxies and the tenth was "intergalactic cirrus".[2] None were found to be Solar System bodies.[2]

'they' are fruitcakes and not the edible kind either.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
Well, anyone can hide behind the sun. It doesn't make them horrid
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 01:11:10 PM
What are you on Nick?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:11:27 PM
You mean it's going so fast we won't even see it like.And what if it comes at night?

 scared2:

FFS. Banghead

You are SUPPOSED to be an intelligent man so I've been led to believe.


Planet X is currently 'hiding' behind the sun and approaching at several hundreds of thousands of mph, and is...apparently...already just visible from the far southern hemisphere...alledgedly, but will become more prevelant to us all in May 2010...so 'they' say.

For the benefit of Nick, it's NOT going to collide with Earth, but pass very close to the sun....so rumour has it.....and THAT is going to cause monsterously large disturbances on the sun that will have the effect of boiling us all to death.....very very slowly.
Seas will boil dry and the planet will be void of all useful life, which means the present government will survive.

I'm sure I watched a sci fi film about the sun swallowing up the earth slowly, many years ago. Quite scary iirc. scared2:


Well you should vote then. It might deter it.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:11:52 PM
What are you on Nick?

Nothing. Normal state of mind
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 01:13:06 PM
NORMAL!

 happy001
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:14:15 PM
Define it.I challenge you
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 01:20:33 PM
Haven't we been through this before?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
Evasive answer!

Anyhooo, the ambulance damage was minimal
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 01:53:29 PM
Sorry Growler. That was aimed at Snoopy's post but your one slipped in between.

Oh pardon me ~ and all the stuff about trips to Ainsdale, cracks about rock cakes, comments about making their own cakes and pies etc was SERIOUS was it.

I should have moved this thread when I saw the way it was going but I tried to deflect the more stupid remarks with a little humour ~ clearly wasted.  ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
The Hound is misunderstood  noooo:

What's that Snoopy?

"Arf, arf"

Very wise.
























 noooo:


PS. Move it where? We ought to have a padded cell in the Pub.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
Growler started a perfectly sensible thread. It is going nowhere. I took an hour out to see what would happen and when I come back it reads like a script from a playground argument. I expect to hear someone saying "My brother is bigger than your brother".

Not funny, wrong place for such silliness. Please stop it now.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 01:59:28 PM
Quote
Growler started a perfectly sensible thread



 happy001 happy001 happy001 happy001 happy001 happy001 happy001

Move it to a more sensible place then.

And send cake
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 02:04:01 PM
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Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 02:05:57 PM
Quote
Sir:

Statistically, we are 750 times more likely to be hit by an asteroid than we are to win the lottery. As someone wins the lottery every Saturday and every Wednesday, that means that fifteen hundred people a week in Britain must get hit by an asteroid. It is, then, a national disgrace that the list of charities which benefit from lottery money doesn't include a single Asteroid Help Line. The whole damn system is rotten to the core, I tell you.
Rapid Tonghoy
Calverley
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 15, 2008, 02:06:23 PM
Sorry Growler. That was aimed at Snoopy's post but your one slipped in between.

Oh pardon me ~ and all the stuff about trips to Ainsdale, cracks about rock cakes, comments about making their own cakes and pies etc was SERIOUS was it.

I should have moved this thread when I saw the way it was going but I tried to deflect the more stupid remarks with a little humour ~ clearly wasted.  ::)


Well thank you!

Apart from one tiny mention of rock cakes I have tried to keep it serious.

I suggest you red card 'normal' Nick.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 15, 2008, 02:08:26 PM
 scared2:

Well, I am off to the theatre. Do try to behave in my absence
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 15, 2008, 02:10:13 PM
Sorry Growler. That was aimed at Snoopy's post but your one slipped in between.

Oh pardon me ~ and all the stuff about trips to Ainsdale, cracks about rock cakes, comments about making their own cakes and pies etc was SERIOUS was it.

I should have moved this thread when I saw the way it was going but I tried to deflect the more stupid remarks with a little humour ~ clearly wasted.  ::)


Well thank you!

Apart from one tiny mention of rock cakes I have tried to keep it serious.

I suggest you red card 'normal' Nick.

He is already on two yellows. One more and he's out.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 05:51:58 PM
THEY, U.M., are too numerous to mention tbh. Just google in Planet X, and you'll find enough reading on the subject to keep you going until its arrival on 21/12/2012....lot of ones and two's in that date ey?  rubschin: Any significance?
I've got a link to a 6 part video on You Tube if you want to see it.
He tells a pretty damned convincing story tbh, and does give you food for though.
But there again, he IS American.  ::)

I'll dig the link out from the bowels of my e mails, and throw it on here later for your purusal if you so wish.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 15, 2008, 08:17:43 PM
You're looking at the best part of an hours viewing, but regardless of your thoughts on the matter, it is quite interesting. Well I thought so anyway. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=related


Just previewed the post, and it doesn't do what I was expecting. confused:
The original link took you directly onto the You Tube site, and then you clicked onto the parts 2-6 or however many, at the side when you'd finished watching part 1.
I'm sure you'll find a way of finding the other parts if you want to watch them.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 16, 2008, 08:01:41 AM
Watched part 1 and 2 last night, gave up on part 3.

I particularly liked the"assume this" and "assume that" all the way through part 2. A lot of assumptions if you ask me.

They start with implying that natural disasters, hurricanes, Tsunamis, earthquakes and the like are getting more powerful because planet X is already having an influence. For that sort of effect it would have to be right on top of us now. I can't say I've noticed it in the sky. 

As I pointed out earlier the IRAS discoveries turned out to be extra-solar objects so the whole premise falls at the first hurdle. Even so, then they mention a body with about 8 earth mass which they equate with the (non existent)IRAS object that they say is Jupiter size and/or a brown dwarf. That would be 300 to 6000 times the mass of the earth!

The final point I thought of was that an object 50 billion miles out in the early 1980s cannot possibly have an orbit that brings it into the inner solar system in 30 years, ellliptical or not. At the speed it needs to do that the orbit would be open,. i.e. not an orbit at all but one pass through. So how can they refer to previous passes?

It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

Science for the credulous I'd call it.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 16, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Don't quite grasp all that, but there again, I am thick. ::)

Wish I could find that flamin' article about the Finnish ...or was it Norwegian...MP whose story about the secret underground city that was being built, was leaked.
Fascinating and quite scary read.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2008, 01:01:32 PM
Have you ever read The Hobbit?  eveilgrin:

It strikes me that if a gigantic planet hit us at 600 trillion miles an hour then hiding in a hole would be little use.You wouldn't even hear the bang.

That aside, I have just 4 places left in  my air raid shelter for gullible needy individuals
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on October 16, 2008, 03:25:10 PM
Have you ever read The Hobbit?  eveilgrin:

It strikes me that if a gigantic planet hit us at 600 trillion miles an hour then hiding in a hole would be little use.You wouldn't even hear the bang.

That aside, I have just 4 places left in  my air raid shelter for gullible needy individuals
I have a basement too...  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2008, 04:01:53 PM
Mind the goats, the exploding beer and the fig mountain!

Imagine the diet. And the stench
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 16, 2008, 06:34:16 PM
Have you ever read The Hobbit?  eveilgrin:

It strikes me that if a gigantic planet hit us at 600 trillion miles an hour then hiding in a hole would be little use.You wouldn't even hear the bang.

That aside, I have just 4 places left in  my air raid shelter for gullible needy individuals

I'm sure I've alraedy told you, but it's not in here, the OFFICIAL Planet X thread. ::)

Planet X....IF it exsists, and is going to do what the 'experts' are predicting it's going to do, does NOT include it hurtling into Earth at 600 trillion MPH, but passing on its orbit close to the Sun, thus creating massive unprecedented devastating eruptions and activity that will in fact slowly boil the earth dry over a period of approx 3 months.
It won't be over quickly, it'll be a slow hot and getting hotter miserable end for all. seas will boil dry, and the whole place will eventually explode into a ball of fire.

There, on that cheery note, I'll go and lie under the sunbed. lol:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 16, 2008, 06:38:34 PM
and the whole place will eventually explode into a ball of fire.

So in orther words the same as if Nick was let loose in the kitchen.

The simple truth to all this is that it is academic. There is bugger all we can do if it turns out to be correct ahd Planet X does actually exist.,
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 16, 2008, 06:45:51 PM
and the whole place will eventually explode into a ball of fire.

So in orther words the same as if Nick was let loose in the kitchen.

The simple truth to all this is that it is academic. There is bugger all we can do if it turns out to be correct ahd Planet X does actually exist.,

Well we can always ask Bruce Willis to intervene I suppose!
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2008, 07:56:32 PM
Have you ever read The Hobbit?  eveilgrin:

It strikes me that if a gigantic planet hit us at 600 trillion miles an hour then hiding in a hole would be little use.You wouldn't even hear the bang.

That aside, I have just 4 places left in  my air raid shelter for gullible needy individuals

I'm sure I've alraedy told you, but it's not in here, the OFFICIAL Planet X thread. ::)

Planet X....IF it exsists, and is going to do what the 'experts' are predicting it's going to do, does NOT include it hurtling into Earth at 600 trillion MPH, but passing on its orbit close to the Sun, thus creating massive unprecedented devastating eruptions and activity that will in fact slowly boil the earth dry over a period of approx 3 months.
It won't be over quickly, it'll be a slow hot and getting hotter miserable end for all. seas will boil dry, and the whole place will eventually explode into a ball of fire.

There, on that cheery note, I'll go and lie under the sunbed. lol:

£4000 per seat,  Cash up front (NOW) and bring yer own tins (and cake).

You are safe with me  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 16, 2008, 08:01:30 PM
You are safe with me  eveilgrin:

You're not safe with yourself ! eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 16, 2008, 08:03:14 PM
I have the air raid shelter!  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 16, 2008, 08:12:46 PM
I have the air raid shelter!  eveilgrin:

Well as I suggested earlier, get some piccies of it in here...on another thread though....as it is actually of some significant historical interest.

Meanwhile, I'm still struggling to find this elusive (and probably dead now) Norwegian/ Finnish MP that blew the gaff on the secret underground city that's being built in readiness.
They've been building it for over 20 years now apparently, and it has hundreds of miles of roadnetwork within............. apparently. eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 16, 2008, 10:16:09 PM
Just a thought Growler, could he have been on about the seed bank?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 16, 2008, 11:24:58 PM
Just a thought Growler, could he have been on about the seed bank?

Ey? Bank? They'll have gone bust by now. lol:

I'm having to retrace my original footsteps on the You Tube footage, to try and establish the link that I found to this geezer.
It could be 21/12/12 before I find it at this rate. ::)
Really is a spooky old date that in'it?

Anyone got a JCB btw? The garden could do with a 'bit' of a makeover.  whistle:
No time like the present ey?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 09:34:19 AM
This all makes perfect sense

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 09:41:20 AM
This all makes perfect sense

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806)

That's it.  eeek:
Well done that man, and have a turnip on DS!

Scary read that in'it?  scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 09:43:51 AM
So do you want those places in my shelter or not? A bidding war has started
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 09:45:27 AM
All the governments in the world are aware of this and they just say it is going to happen. For those of the people that can save themselves I can only say reach for higher ground and find caves   cloud9: up in the high places where you can have a food storage for at least five years with canned food and water to last for a while. Radiation pills and biosuits are also advisable if your budget allows it.

I'm on me way!
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 17, 2008, 09:46:47 AM
Just a thought Growler, could he have been on about the seed bank?

Ey? Bank? They'll have gone bust by now. lol:

Nope, a seedbank stores seeds as a source for planting in case seed reserves elsewhere are destroyed. It is a type of gene bank. The seeds stored may be food crops, or those of rare species to protect biodiversity. The reasons for storing seeds may be varied. In the case of food crops, many useful plants that were developed over centuries are now no longer used for commercial agricultural production and are becoming rare. Storing seeds also guards against catastrophic events like natural disasters, outbreaks of disease,  war or Nick.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 09:47:28 AM
So do you want those places in my shelter or not? A bidding war has started

If you dig down a further 300f eet, yes.

Wanna JCB, cheap like?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 09:50:28 AM
Quote
Radiation pills and biosuits are also advisable


Should that read biscuits?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 09:51:32 AM
Just a thought Growler, could he have been on about the seed bank?

Ey? Bank? They'll have gone bust by now. lol:

Nope, a seedbank stores seeds as a source for planting in case seed reserves elsewhere are destroyed. It is a type of gene bank. The seeds stored may be food crops, or those of rare species to protect biodiversity. The reasons for storing seeds may be varied. In the case of food crops, many useful plants that were developed over centuries are now no longer used for commercial agricultural production and are becoming rare. Storing seeds also guards against catastrophic events like natural disasters, outbreaks of disease,  war or Nick.

Sorry Sir Grumpymost, I thought you were just messin'.

Hard to tell in here sometimes. Must be the 'Nickfactor'. ::)

So, is all this just bluster then?  rubschin:

The cynical side of me says yes, BUT, why all the fuss for no obvious benefit?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on October 17, 2008, 09:52:15 AM
This all makes perfect sense

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806)

That's it.  eeek:
Well done that man, and have a turnip on DS!

Scary read that in'it?  scared2:
No, it's shite...  noooo:

As Nick pointed out earlier (in a rare lucid moment), if there was such a thing heading our way digging a big 'ole would provide no protection...
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 09:52:56 AM
Quote
Radiation pills and biosuits are also advisable


Should that read biscuits?  rubschin:

No. CAKE.  cloud9:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 09:53:27 AM
This all makes perfect sense

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806)

That's it.  eeek:
Well done that man, and have a turnip on DS!

Scary read that in'it?  scared2:
No, it's shite...  noooo:

As Nick pointed out earlier (in a rare lucid moment), if there was such a thing heading our way digging a big 'ole would provide no protection...

 eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 17, 2008, 09:55:10 AM
What total and utter shite!

Do people really believe such crap? (no offence Growler)

My favourite bit:

Danger zones will be the east and west coasts of North America and south and central England. It is for this reason that the UK authorities have allowed such a large-scale influx of immigrants in recent years, most have congregated where there are better employment opportunities – in south and central England.

In essence, individuals in key positions have enabled immigration policies that have quietly encouraged a massive influx of immigrants: so as to pack them into a critical danger zone and thereby effectively sacrifice as many people as possible.



 happy001
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 17, 2008, 09:57:20 AM
Just a thought Growler, could he have been on about the seed bank?

Ey? Bank? They'll have gone bust by now. lol:

Nope, a seedbank stores seeds as a source for planting in case seed reserves elsewhere are destroyed. It is a type of gene bank. The seeds stored may be food crops, or those of rare species to protect biodiversity. The reasons for storing seeds may be varied. In the case of food crops, many useful plants that were developed over centuries are now no longer used for commercial agricultural production and are becoming rare. Storing seeds also guards against catastrophic events like natural disasters, outbreaks of disease,  war or Nick.

Sorry Sir Grumpymost, I thought you were just messin'.

Hard to tell in here sometimes. Must be the 'Nickfactor'. ::)

So, is all this just bluster then?  rubschin:

The cynical side of me says yes, BUT, why all the fuss for no obvious benefit?

I'm not so sure about no obvious benefit. Look at the media hype about global warming and species of plantlife dying as a result. If it is a seedbank that Norway is building then it would be a hell of a PR stunt on its own. As for expense, its probably not as much as was leaked. to repurpose and extend an old Cold War bunker or underground shelter.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on October 17, 2008, 09:57:49 AM
Tinfoil hats…. Get your tinfoil hats…


And apostrophes like…



 whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 09:57:57 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece)

More stuff to worry about  noooo:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on October 17, 2008, 10:00:06 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece)

More stuff to worry about  noooo:

Tinfoil hats…. Get your tinfoil hats…  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 17, 2008, 10:03:01 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece)

More stuff to worry about  noooo:

Tinfoil hats…. Get your tinfoil hats…  whistle:

Dont be confused folks, BM isnt actually modelling one. His head is usually that shiny.  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 17, 2008, 10:05:49 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article382302.ece)

More stuff to worry about  noooo:

This is essentially correct and is a possiblity, although extremely remote.

I find use of the word 'lure' in this context a bit odd though.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 10:08:42 AM
Maybe it could be "lured" in the direction of,say, Brussels, praps with a big magnet.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 17, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
I'm still puzzled as to why anyone in their right senses would want to book a place in a cellar, below the level of the known spring high tide mark, next to an estuary that regularly floods.

Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 11:00:16 AM
To hide from Planet X of course.   ::) We have a washing machine down there, which might come in handy.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 12:48:44 PM
To hide from Planet X of course.   ::) We have a washing machine down there, which might come in handy.

If you set it on the highest heat setting, and DON'T put the water in, could it be used for baking CAKES....you know, in an emergency like?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
This all makes perfect sense

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806)

That's it.  eeek:
Well done that man, and have a turnip on DS!

Scary read that in'it?  scared2:
No, it's shite...  noooo:

As Nick pointed out earlier (in a rare lucid moment), if there was such a thing heading our way digging a big 'ole would provide no protection...

No, well yes probably. I keep open minds about some of these things tbh., but I do take the point that it is in fact probably all shite and am not remotely bothered about it apart fromn the fact that it might shut down CAKE production. cussing:
For the 3rd time now, I think, nowhere has it been stated that this planet is going to actually hit us.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 17, 2008, 12:56:59 PM
For the 3rd time now, I think, nowhere has it been stated that this planet is going to actually hit us.

That's because it DOESN'T BLOODY EXIST!
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 01:05:21 PM
For the 3rd time now, I think, nowhere has it been stated that this planet is going to actually hit us.

That's because it DOESN'T BLOODY EXIST!

OK! I'M NOT DEAF! ::)

IF it exists, and who knows what the hell is roaming about out there, it's NOT going to hit us.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 17, 2008, 01:09:01 PM
good! That's that sorted then.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 17, 2008, 01:16:03 PM
good! That's that sorted then.

Yea right, but there's probably plenty of other 'monsters' lurking behind the Sun hurtling our way.
You only have to have a look at the moon and see the size of some of those craters to realise that there is 'stuff' out there that can do untold life threatening damage.
They reckon that's what wiped the Dinasours out...a big meteorite or summat, that smashed in to the Earth, blackening the skies for thousands of years, and kicking off the ice age.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 17, 2008, 02:20:59 PM
good! That's that sorted then.

Yea right, but there's probably plenty of other 'monsters' lurking behind the Sun hurtling our way.
You only have to have a look at the moon and see the size of some of those craters to realise that there is 'stuff' out there that can do untold life threatening damage.
They reckon that's what wiped the Dinasours out...a big meteorite or summat, that smashed in to the Earth, blackening the skies for thousands of years, and kicking off the ice age.

That or global warming  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 17, 2008, 02:22:22 PM
To hide from Planet X of course.   ::) We have a washing machine down there, which might come in handy.

If you set it on the highest heat setting, and DON'T put the water in, could it be used for baking CAKES....you know, in an emergency like?

A dishwasher makes a satisfactory cooker and does the washing up at the same time. I don't think a washing machine would because of the "tumble" action.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 02:44:29 PM
To hide from Planet X of course.   ::) We have a washing machine down there, which might come in handy.

If you set it on the highest heat setting, and DON'T put the water in, could it be used for baking CAKES....you know, in an emergency like?

I had your underpants in mind
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 17, 2008, 02:53:51 PM
 eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 17, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
I try to be a good host, especially at that price  eveilgrin:

























DOOM IS COMING, BUY SPACE NOW
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 20, 2008, 12:53:47 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7679145.stm

Advance party from Planet X I reckon.
Sussing out the lay of the land, and deciding where the best place is to set up their colony after we've all been wiped out.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 20, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
Quote
The captain of the Alitalia airliner shouted "Look out" to his co-pilot at the sight of a brown missile-shaped object shooting past them

Probably flying too close behind the Lufthansa plane after the in-flight meal was finished.

 
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 20, 2008, 01:31:44 PM
Watched Independence Day on the TV last night. Wrong on so many counts and is pure hokum. But it is fun to watch.

Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 20, 2008, 02:37:18 PM
Watched Independence Day on the TV last night. Wrong on so many counts and is pure hokum. But it is fun to watch.


Watched the Parliament channel on the TV last night. Wrong on so many counts and is pure hokum. But it is fun to watch.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: TG on October 20, 2008, 03:00:54 PM
Watched Independence Day on the TV last night. Wrong on so many counts and is pure hokum. But it is fun to watch.



I always rather liked that film. In fact I have it in my collection.

One wonders if the screen writers had read 'Childhoods End' by Arthur C. Clarke for the inspiration for the the beginning. Still, no doubt he stole the idea from someone else anyway. The bastard. lol:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 20, 2008, 03:09:38 PM
As far as I can tell Arthur C. Clarke was the first to use that image.  Been nicked loads of time since.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 20, 2008, 03:19:33 PM
Watched Independence Day on the TV last night. Wrong on so many counts and is pure hokum. But it is fun to watch.



I always rather liked that film. In fact I have it in my collection.

One wonders if the screen writers had read 'Childhoods End' by Arthur C. Clarke for the inspiration for the the beginning. Still, no doubt he stole the idea from someone else anyway. The bastard. lol:

Back in the 80's there was this little known Sci Fi series called V, looking at that its pretty clear where a lot of the initial inspiration came from.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Bar Wench on October 20, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
Wicked series!
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: TG on October 20, 2008, 03:41:43 PM
Watched Independence Day on the TV last night. Wrong on so many counts and is pure hokum. But it is fun to watch.



I always rather liked that film. In fact I have it in my collection.

One wonders if the screen writers had read 'Childhoods End' by Arthur C. Clarke for the inspiration for the the beginning. Still, no doubt he stole the idea from someone else anyway. The bastard. lol:

Back in the 80's there was this little known Sci Fi series called V, looking at that its pretty clear where a lot of the initial inspiration came from.

Indeed. 'V' ran from 1984-5, Childhoods End was published 1953.

'V' is about to make a return it seems :

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a132283/cult-hit-v-to-be-reimagined-by-abc.html
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 20, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
If they do as good a job with this reimage as they Battlestar Galactica team have then it will be well worth looking at.

I've got he miniseries and the second part of V on DVD. There was another series after that but I dont think it was ever released on DVD.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 20, 2008, 06:16:43 PM
If they do as good a job with this reimage as they Battlestar Galactica team have then it will be well worth looking at.

I've got he miniseries and the second part of V on DVD. There was another series after that but I dont think it was ever released on DVD.

"he miniseries" ???

Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 20, 2008, 07:04:50 PM
I need to get a new keyboard from IT, The T buttononly works if I hammer the bleedin thing  redface:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 21, 2008, 08:40:13 AM
I need to get a new keyboard from IT, The T buttononly works if I hammer the bleedin thing  redface:

That makes it "The ministeries" as a nearest fit, but I am still none the wiser.  rubschin:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 21, 2008, 10:37:51 AM
Try THE miniseries Darwin.



I guess its true what they say about Turnip abuse and mental decline.  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 21, 2008, 10:40:26 AM
I think he means "mini-series"  ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 21, 2008, 10:42:26 AM
Sorry hound, the only problem with liking these American series is that I start picking up the spelling after a while.  redface:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 21, 2008, 03:42:43 PM
I think he means "mini-series"  ::)

Oh!  redface:

Presumably his "-" key suffered the same fate as the "t".
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 21, 2008, 03:43:49 PM
I think he means "mini-series"  ::)

Oh!  redface:

Presumably his "-" key suffered the same fate as the "t".

Well he does live in Cornwall.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Pastis on October 21, 2008, 04:01:00 PM
No Cornish Tea?  eeek:

 sad24:

I had a meeting a few weeks ago; location and time decided by the other party...

Full Afternoon Tea at a West End hotel  lol:  It's quite a while since I had one of those  cloud9:

Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 21, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
  The Commons
All who enter here please be aware that it is for topics of a serious nature where threads will remain on topic and chit chat will not be tolerated!!!  


Really? ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 21, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
No Cornish Tea?  eeek:

 sad24:

I had a meeting a few weeks ago; location and time decided by the other party...

Full Afternoon Tea at a West End hotel  lol:  It's quite a while since I had one of those  cloud9:



Clotted cream...  sick2:

Sorry Growler I couldnt resist old boy...  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Pastis on October 21, 2008, 06:05:26 PM
  The Commons
All who enter here please be aware that it is for topics of a serious nature where threads will remain on topic and chit chat will not be tolerated!!!  
Really? ::)

 redface:  Apologies Mr G.

Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 21, 2008, 06:06:16 PM
Oh dear. do I p'raps need to get into me Bear pit a bit earlier then p'raps?  redface:

NASA has denied the existence of Planet X ( 2003 ) but that has not stopped the worldwide interest. It seems to be a subject that occupies people late at night when sitting at a keyboard in the hope of discovering something about ghosts, the meaning of life and the universe.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 21, 2008, 06:10:12 PM
  The Commons
All who enter here please be aware that it is for topics of a serious nature where threads will remain on topic and chit chat will not be tolerated!!!  
Really? ::)

 redface:  Apologies Mr G.



I personally don't give a flying herd of ducks tbh, but was just wondering why Nick (where tf has he vanished to over the past couple of days btw? ) and UM got a gentle roasting at the beginning of this thread then, for slightly wandering off topic and talking shite like?? confused:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 21, 2008, 07:12:42 PM
  shrugs:  Don't ask me ~ I only work here.

We must have fallen through a hole in the space/time continuum prolly brought about by the nearness of Planet X
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 22, 2008, 09:15:02 AM
Buy this ~ then you'll have a few things to worry about!

Death from the Skies! (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0670019976/ref=pd_rate_rs)


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2Fgx1x5yv0.jpg&hash=5e43d0524fb10be25a9d2998220851f2617e7c15) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1x5yv0)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 22, 2008, 11:04:35 PM
Buy this ~ then you'll have a few things to worry about!

Death from the Skies! (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0670019976/ref=pd_rate_rs)


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2Fgx1x5yv0.jpg&hash=5e43d0524fb10be25a9d2998220851f2617e7c15) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1x5yv0)


I'd rather not spend £26 reduced to £15.52 on tittle tattle thanks.
(being a tight arse)













Errrr, what's it say like? scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 23, 2008, 06:51:02 AM
Introduction (excerpt)

The Universe is trying to kill you.

It’s nothing personal. It’s trying to kill me too. It’s trying to kill everybody.

And it doesn’t even have to try very hard.

The Universe is an incredibly hostile place for life. Virtually all of it is a vacuum, so that’s bad right from the start. Of the extremely few places that aren’t hard vacuum, most are too hot for chemical reactions to do very well – molecules get blasted apart before they can even properly form. Of the places that aren’t too hot, most are too cold – reactions happen too slowly to get interesting things to occur in the first place.

And of the very few places that aren’t in vacuum, too hot, or too cold – and we only really know of one: Earth – there are all manners of dangers lurking about. Volcanoes blast megatons of noxious chemicals into the air, spew lava for miles, and cause vast earthquakes. Tsunamis rewrite huge sections of coastlines. Ice ages come and go, mountains pop up and change the global weather system, whole continents get subducted into the glowing rock of the mantle.

And those are just the local problems. Earth still sits in the incredibly hostile environment of space, and all kinds of disasters might befall us from there – literally.

But then, that’s what this whole book is about.

The Universe is a violent place. Stars explode. Stars like the Sun can die in milder events, but die just the same. Whole galaxies collide, igniting fireworks on a cosmic scale. Asteroids impact other planets; could they hit us?

When we launched telescopes into space, we equipped them with cameras that could detect ultraviolet light, X-rays, super high-energy gamma rays. We saw a Universe that seemed actively trying to destroy us. Exploding stars are phenomenally dangerous, blasting out vast amounts of killing force and energy. Black holes are everywhere, lurking throughout the galaxy, devouring anything that wanders too close. Flashes of high-energy light from distant points in the Universe whisper of powers terrible and gross, enough to fry entire solar systems that get in the way.

The Earth seemed to be the center of the Universe for much of mankind’s history. Now, however, the Earth seems fragile and impossibly small, a remote speck of dust lost in a Universe of frightening size and age.

In reality, the Universe cares not at all if we live or die. If a human were magically transported to any random spot in the cosmos, within seconds we’d die 99.999999999999999% of the time. At best.

Yet, despite all that (and quite a bit more still unsaid), here we are. Billions of years in, countless times around the Sun, sitting at the crosshairs of dozens of cosmic weapons… our planet endures. Life not only survives, it thrives. Numerous setbacks have occurred, for sure, but life itself continues on. As small and fragile and soft as humans are, we’ve managed so far.

Of course, we haven’t yet seen everything the Universe can unleash on us. A single asteroid impact could take out half of humanity without even breaking a sweat. A solar flare could wipe out our economy in seconds. And a nearby gamma-ray burst… well, that’s bad too. Very bad.

I love astronomy. I’ve devoted my entire life to it, to telling others about it, to writing about it. Astronomy is awe inspiring, it’s beautiful, it provides philosophical perspective and holds the secret answers to so many of our most profound questions.

And I have no doubt whatsoever that astronomical events can kill us. In some cases, our study of astronomy can actually save us. In other cases it provides us with information about what might kill us, though unfortunately without giving us any ideas of how to stop it.

And in many of those cases, there isn’t much we could do anyway.

In this book, I won’t hold back. The reality of a nearby gamma-ray burst puts the sweatiest fundamentalist religion’s Armageddon prose to shame, dwarfing it to mundanity. I will go over, in loving detail, the Earth’s atmosphere ripped away, the oceans boiled, and all life sterilized down to the base of the crust.

But during all that, I will remind you that there is no star nearby capable of creating such a burst; and even if there were, the odds of it going off any time soon are tiny; and even if it did, the odds of it being aimed our way are tinier yet.

But it’s still fun to think about “What if…?”

While you’re reading this book, you may feel like you’re watching a horror movie at the theater: it’s fun, jolting, and maybe even terrifying. During the scary parts you may want to turn away, or hide your eyes, or spill your popcorn, but I’ll make sure the actual facts of the case are there to calm you down a bit after.

Of course (he says, chuckling low and with evil intent), there is a big difference: eventually the movie is over, you leave the theater, and laugh at the scary ride.

You can’t do that in the real world. There are dangers out there, and we can’t avert our eyes from them. But as you read this book (hopefully with your eyes open) you’ll learn just what the dangers are, and more importantly what they aren’t.

What horror movie is still scary once the lights are on?

And you always have to keep in mind that we’re still here. The Universe is a dangerous place, but again, we’ve gotten this far. We may just make it a while longer.

Or we may not. I have to be honest. The Universe is vast beyond imagining, and wields mighty forces. For nearly all the events depicted here, it’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when.

Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 05:38:13 PM
There's a huge object in the sky over here tonight. It's very close and bright yellow.  scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Snoopy on October 23, 2008, 05:58:21 PM
That'll be the moon then.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 23, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
That'll be the moon then.
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2FaV1R16SJ.jpg&hash=be35f2518634e307ae673de85c93f40879ac42a5) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1R16SJ)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 23, 2008, 07:02:04 PM
Talking of the moon, do you lot reckon the yanks have ever been there? rubschin:

I was reading an article on the arguements against it ever happening, with all the dodgy photos and stuff, but the one thing that stood out in my mind was the apparent fact that IF they went there, they'd never have come back due to the enormous amounts of radiation that only a 20' thick lead lined capsule would have protected them from...or summat like that.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 07:03:09 PM
They wore tin foil hats
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 23, 2008, 07:16:46 PM
They wore tin foil hats

Go outside and 'ave a fag. ::)

Can sort you with some cheap baccy and batteries btw.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 07:19:30 PM
I trade only in tin foil hats, what with the impending doom, like
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 23, 2008, 07:25:03 PM
I trade only in tin foil hats, what with the impending doom, like

This bout of chesty man flue hasn't made you any more sensible like, has it?  ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 07:38:22 PM
Not many man flu victims get to ride in an ambulance!

Man flue victims, maybe  rubschin:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Pastis on October 23, 2008, 08:16:36 PM
Talking of the moon, do you lot reckon the yanks have ever been there? rubschin:

I was reading an article on the arguements against it ever happening, with all the dodgy photos and stuff, but the one thing that stood out in my mind was the apparent fact that IF they went there, they'd never have come back due to the enormous amounts of radiation that only a 20' thick lead lined capsule would have protected them from...or summat like that.

Growler, I saw it happen! I watched it on the telly! I was at home with me Mum, we both watched it, she needed a Brandy! It was real, honest! We both had a fag due to the excitement, like!

"One small step..."

Don't take that away from my history  scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 08:18:14 PM
 happy100
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 23, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
Talking of the moon, do you lot reckon the yanks have ever been there? rubschin:

I was reading an article on the arguements against it ever happening, with all the dodgy photos and stuff, but the one thing that stood out in my mind was the apparent fact that IF they went there, they'd never have come back due to the enormous amounts of radiation that only a 20' thick lead lined capsule would have protected them from...or summat like that.

Growler, I saw it happen! I watched it on the telly! I was at home with me Mum, we both watched it, she needed a Brandy! It was real, honest! We both had a fag due to the excitement, like!

"One small step..."

Don't take that away from my history  scared2:

So was I actually, but I like a good bit of possible scandal.

In reality, I'd like to believe it happened for real, and not in a film studio, but I'm a bit puzzled as to why man has never been back there for many years now. rubschin:

I see the Russians have just sent a Lada up there to photograph and map the place for the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
It's the Indians, not the Russians.I saw the blast off. The rocket was fuelled by curry. Worked really well
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 23, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
It's the Indians, not the Russians.I saw the blast off. The rocket was fuelled by curry. Worked really well

I stand corrected. redface:

Me 'eds addled today. ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Pastis on October 23, 2008, 08:46:30 PM
It's the Indians, not the Russians.I saw the blast off. The rocket was fuelled by curry. Worked really well

Now, that WAS a fake. Pure Bolllywood. Smoke and mirrors. They counted nought as a number... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... and then it should have blast off, but no.... 0... "Press the button, please"
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 23, 2008, 08:48:25 PM
I hear they are prospecting for Helium
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 24, 2008, 08:32:05 AM
U.M. will no doubt throw some light on this mystery, you know, being a bit of a noisy geek on all things heavenly like?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 24, 2008, 08:33:44 AM
What mystery?Helium. For fusion power.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 24, 2008, 08:51:40 AM
U.M. will no doubt throw some light on this mystery, you know, being a bit of a noisy geek on all things heavenly like?

 eeek:  redface:

It's generally mapping the mineral and chemical composition of the Moon, including Helium-3 which could be useful in fusion power plants. It's also looking for water in the polar regions which would be really handy for future manned missions.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 24, 2008, 08:55:53 AM
If they find Helium 3 they will send a fleet of these to bring it back


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2FaV1T3h19.jpg&hash=2bc1db53ffbadb677af513b1c141f2e2d58a7ad2) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1T3h19)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 24, 2008, 08:56:58 AM
U.M. will no doubt throw some light on this mystery, you know, being a bit of a noisy geek on all things heavenly like?

 eeek:  redface:

It's generally mapping the mineral and chemical composition of the Moon, including Helium-3 which could be useful in fusion power plants. It's also looking for water in the polar regions which would be really handy for future manned missions.

No, actually, I was referring to your thoughts on the alledged manned trips to the moon?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 24, 2008, 08:59:52 AM
If they didn't go how come we have moon rocks here then?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 24, 2008, 09:03:33 AM
If they didn't go how come we have moon rocks here then?

Well let's think.  ::)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 24, 2008, 09:08:25 AM
Man went to the Moon. Fact.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 24, 2008, 09:12:14 AM
If they didn't go how come we have moon rocks here then?

Well let's think.  ::)


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2Fgx1Ewsvi.gif&hash=ecf1bb724df64361d7624a4b87e107d1e385b3f9) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1Ewsvi)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on October 24, 2008, 10:28:27 AM
Man went to the Moon. Fact.
Seconded... so it must be true...  whistle:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 27, 2008, 09:34:14 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2Fgx1Q38si.jpg&hash=75513c454e2965c8f6e0e2f252aba82235cee60a) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1Q38si)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 27, 2008, 09:47:57 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2Fgx1Q38si.jpg&hash=75513c454e2965c8f6e0e2f252aba82235cee60a) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1Q38si)


You're REALLY not taking this very seriously, are you?  ::)

Don't come crying to me then in just over 4 years time, claiming you knew nowt about it.

BTW, did you know there was actually an American sub named after me?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 27, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
What has that got to do with anything? And in the meantime I shall be rich with the down payments of my needy victims  eveilgrin:

This submarine, is it fat round the middle?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 27, 2008, 09:56:47 AM
What has that got to do with anything? And in the meantime I shall be rich with the down payments of my needy victims  eveilgrin:

This submarine, is it fat round the middle?

Bit like your lip is gonna be when I catch up with you?  cussing:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 27, 2008, 09:58:04 AM
Found this one too!  cloud9:

http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1526


..and the original http://www.wa3key.com/growler.html

 GROWLER is on permanent display as part of the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum at 46th Street and 12th Avenue in New York City.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on October 27, 2008, 10:06:14 AM
Quote
GROWLER is rudimentary and undersized

Half right then  evil:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2009, 10:28:53 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html)
 scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on June 13, 2009, 03:38:13 PM
From the Bad Astronomer:
 (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/12/a-boy-claims-he-was-hit-by-a-meteorite/)
Quote
First, the headline: "14-year-old hit by 30,000 mph space meteorite". Bzzzzt! Wrong! If it had been moving that fast a direct hit would’ve killed him. That speed is about ten times faster than a rifle bullet, and had it actually hit him at that velocity a rock the size of a pea would’ve torn a hole through him the size of a basketball

 eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2009, 03:39:17 PM
So it wasn't going at 30000 mph?  eeek:

How fast then?  Popcorn:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on June 13, 2009, 03:43:22 PM
Read the link.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2009, 03:45:03 PM
I wouldn't like to be hit by a meteorite however slow it was going
 



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 xcbn
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sdf                      ooh, my eye  eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on June 13, 2009, 03:46:47 PM
I actually do worry about you sometimes.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on June 13, 2009, 03:47:49 PM
So do I. I blame SWMBO  sad24:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on June 13, 2009, 04:09:04 PM
I wouldn't like to be hit by a meteorite however slow it was going
 



v

dg]mnhasn bk\f'
v.

 xcbn
sf

sdf                      ooh, my eye  eeek:
lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on October 19, 2012, 07:18:02 AM
Just 2 months to go! scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 19, 2012, 12:05:33 PM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimage.org%2F6zrxlxi5d%2F9y9uk.gif&hash=b2533cbbc126d943692f3a3468888a2a86296e81) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 14, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
Bastard bollox. Angry9:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/14/december-21-apocalypse-nasa-world-did-not-end_n_2298778.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl7%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D141647

Does this mean IAM going to have to buy some random and probably utter shite prezzies AFTER all then? eeek:  sad32:  Banghead
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 14, 2012, 05:42:40 PM
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/conspiracy-theories/50099/rogue-planet-discovered-mayan-apocalypse-coming

I feel sooooo let down now. sad32:

Was REALLY looking forward in the knowledge that so many shitesters were going to be wiped out too. sad32:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 18, 2012, 06:18:28 PM
UM WILL be impressed! :thumbsup:

http://dvice.com/archives/2012/12/chinese-spacecr.php

Apparently, reading another article on the same asteroid, IF it had hit us, and being about the same size as the one that wiped out the dinasours (alledgedly0, it would have wiped us out. eeek:

It's due back, only closer, in 400 years apparently. :thumbsup:
I personally don't think there'll be anyone left on earth to witness it though. noooo:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on December 18, 2012, 07:20:06 PM
Great picture ~ well done the Chinese  :thumbsup:


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimage.org%2Ffbalb0y81%2FToutatis.jpg&hash=bd0c44a83859dda39263bc2acf4bf62425168077) (http://postimage.org/image/fbalb0y81/)
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Just One More on December 18, 2012, 07:21:59 PM
UM WILL be impressed! :thumbsup:

http://dvice.com/archives/2012/12/chinese-spacecr.php

Apparently, reading another article on the same asteroid, IF it had hit us, and being about the same size as the one that wiped out the dinasours (alledgedly0, it would have wiped us out. eeek:

It's due back, only closer, in 400 years apparently. :thumbsup:
I personally don't think there'll be anyone left on earth to witness it though. noooo:

I preferred GrumpyOldSoldier's explanation

Talking about the moon.
Scientists have shown that the moon is moving away at a tiny yet measurable distance from the earth every year. If you do the maths, you can calculate that 85 million years ago the moon was orbiting the earth at a distance of about 35 feet from the earth's surface. This would explain the death of the dinosaurs. The tallest ones, anyway.

I thought I would share that with you, we are never to old to learn.

 lol:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Baldy on December 18, 2012, 07:23:39 PM
Great picture ~ well done the Chinese  :thumbsup:


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimage.org%2Ffbalb0y81%2FToutatis.jpg&hash=bd0c44a83859dda39263bc2acf4bf62425168077) (http://postimage.org/image/fbalb0y81/)

Looks like ginger........Nick have you been out?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Nick on December 18, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
 Spank2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 18, 2012, 07:57:28 PM
Great picture ~ well done the Chinese  :thumbsup:


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimage.org%2Ffbalb0y81%2FToutatis.jpg&hash=bd0c44a83859dda39263bc2acf4bf62425168077) (http://postimage.org/image/fbalb0y81/)

Cracker in'it?

It was at a distance of that of the moon X 8 apparently, but next time it'll be only  X 4! eeek:

Still classed as a close shave though. scared2:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 19, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
WOW!
We can watch ourselves being wiped out! cloud9:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/18/mayan-apocalypse-2012-slooh-webcast_n_2320450.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl11%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D142137
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on December 19, 2012, 07:03:27 AM
...or not, as the case may be.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 19, 2012, 09:38:23 AM
...or not, as the case may be.

Ey you. Have you seen summat about this new seemingly inhabitable planet they've just discovered, a mere 12 light years away circling our neare3st 'other' sun. eeek:
I'm trying to load the story up, but being the huff puff ao hell post, it's taking an eternity. Banghead
I'll 'ave another go,
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 19, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/19/tau-ceti-planets-science-alien-world-habitable-planet_n_2327326.html

Good luck with trying to read that.  ::)
Jitters and judders all over the place for me. Banghead

Bloody good stuff though all the same. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on December 19, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
 :thumbsup:

Here's (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20770103) the BBC link I was reading earlier.

It seems there are planets everywhere we look.
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 19, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
:thumbsup:

Here's (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20770103) the BBC link I was reading earlier.

It seems there are planets everywhere we look.

Much betterer that.

Luv the term 'The Goldilocks Zone', not too hot, not too cold.  cloud9: lol:

Dunno why we're getting too excited, as even a 'mere' 12 light years away is always going to be an unsermountable (sp) distance to travel, especially when you put it into perspective regarding just how long it takes for our sunlight to reach us, and that's only 'round the corner' so to speak. eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 19, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
Do we REALLY want to be able to get to another inhabitable planet though?
 I mean, look at the complete and utter  bollox we've made of this one! Angry9:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 21, 2012, 09:05:47 AM
What time are we all supposed to be frying then anyone, and is this the prime excuse for not bothering with The Bastard Asda now today then? cloud9:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Uncle Mort on December 21, 2012, 09:34:51 AM
11:11 (Central American Time I presume)


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.postimage.org%2Fhy3k6izh1%2F25c515a3d1b642cdd61436046a2cc285_d2fe5fp.jpg&hash=8bf71fa843a6d4c8e098969f933fd77b5dbdf830) (http://postimage.org/image/hy3k6izh1/)
 
(borrowed from here  (http://deanreevesii.deviantart.com/art/An-Earth-Shattering-Experience-146786821?q=gallery%3Adeanreevesii%2F23937479&qo=0))
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on December 21, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
11:11 (Central American Time I presume)


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.postimage.org%2Fhy3k6izh1%2F25c515a3d1b642cdd61436046a2cc285_d2fe5fp.jpg&hash=8bf71fa843a6d4c8e098969f933fd77b5dbdf830) (http://postimage.org/image/hy3k6izh1/)
 
(borrowed from here  (http://deanreevesii.deviantart.com/art/An-Earth-Shattering-Experience-146786821?q=gallery%3Adeanreevesii%2F23937479&qo=0))

Cool picture!   Thumbs:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: apc2010 on December 21, 2012, 11:13:57 AM
I've just read that Martin Sheen is to star in a movie about the Mayan Calendar.............

It's to be called," Where's The Apocalypse Now?
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on December 21, 2012, 03:03:54 PM
I've just read that Martin Sheen is to star in a movie about the Mayan Calendar.............

It's to be called," Where's The Apocalypse Now?

 ;D
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 21, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Are we all still 'ere like, or is this just a after life experience now? rubschin:

Got a 'ot Lambo Gallarado and DB9 on me path 'ere too. whistle:
 WTF am I gunna do with them now? eeek:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on December 21, 2012, 06:04:32 PM
Are we all still 'ere like, or is this just a after life experience now? rubschin:

Got a 'ot Lambo Gallarado and DB9 on me path 'ere too. whistle:
 WTF am I gunna do with them now? eeek:

 lol: lol: lol:

I wasn't that confident so I just started on the collapso early like...  Thumbs:
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: GROWLER on December 22, 2012, 09:47:36 AM
Took well over 4 years to answer like, but i think we finally know now.


Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
« on: October 14, 2008, 09:12:57 PM »


 happy001


bastards. Banghead
Title: Re: Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
Post by: Barman on December 22, 2012, 11:40:48 AM
 cloud9:
Took well over 4 years to answer like, but i think we finally know now.


Planet X. Worrying or laugh?
« on: October 14, 2008, 09:12:57 PM »


 happy001


bastards. Banghead

lol: