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The Riots
« on: August 09, 2011, 09:54:05 PM »
Much has been said and no doubt more will be said accompanied by much hand wringing.  ::)

To my mind the Police Force, yes Force not bloody Service have been caught napping. This chap has, for my money put his finger on an essential point.

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The police have been made to feel that they are the “white police”, and that they lack legitimacy in “black areas”. This unfortunate attitude began with the report by Lord Scarman on the Brixton riots of 1981. He said: “There is widespread agreement that the composition of our police forces must reflect the make-up of the society they serve.” He found that ethnic minorities were significantly under-represented. Soon after the Macpherson report made a similar observation in 1999, the Government set a recruitment target for ethnic minorities of 8 per cent.
Scarman’s remark that the police should reflect the make-up of society is profoundly wrong. The police have never been representative of the social or ethnic breakdown of society. Police officers are people who have been chosen because they deserve to wear the uniform, not because of their ethnic status. They are individuals who deserve to be part of a profession that upholds the law without favour or affection, malice or ill-will. So long as that remains true, then every officer is entitled to respect, whether black or white, male or female. The legitimacy of the police has nothing to do with the racial composition of the force. It has to do with impartial enforcement of the law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8689004/London-riots-why-did-the-police-lose-control.html

Years ago I recall having an argument regarding the intake to the armed forces; there was a view that the mix of armed forces should reflect society. I said bollocks  evil: ; the armed forces were there to protect society not reflect it!

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Re: The Riots
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 09:34:48 AM »
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 09:58:03 AM »
Ah-Ha! Now we know who she is ..... Give her an OBE Dave!
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 12:06:34 PM »
You do wonder if the police cocked it up on purpose in order to prove we need more, not less of them.  rubschin:
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 12:11:18 PM »
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 12:19:40 PM »
Silly Cow. noooo:
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 12:26:26 PM »
Silly Cow. noooo:

Sickening isn't it....?  cussing:
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 01:54:02 PM »
I'm amazed that she is still peddling untruths as "facts"

EMA (Educational Maintenance Allowance) has indeed ceased BUT it was only ever payable to school attendees who qualified under rules laid down by Ms Harman's party. To qualify the pupil's family income had to be roughly at "benefits level" (whether benefits were claimed or not), the pupil had to be between 16 and 18 years of age and registered on a course of full time education, of not less that 30 hours per week, leading to A levels. The individual schools wrote the rules. For example to qualify the THW ALSO had to be marked present at every single class she was timetabled to attend. No excuses, not even a doctor's note. One class missed in a week and the £30 was not paid for that week. The school included in the qualifications the wearing of the appropriate uniform at all time and the participation, in the pupil's own time, in "approved" activities. These had to include one voluntary activity in the community. Some kids took the course and then spent two shifts a week manning the phones at "Childline", others (THW included) took the appropriate courses and qualified as assistants at Brownies, Cubs or similar. Some worked as unpaid assistants in care homes. Another, school related activity, was also compulsory, membership of choir, band or debating team counted ... again all practise and performances had to be in the pupil's own time. Only if all these were signed off by the school did the child get the £30 ... which incidentally is only paid during term time.
The Coalition Government has indeed stopped this .... but they have now made attendance on a recognised full time course of education or training compulsory to age 18. Parents in receipt of benefits will now continue to receive those benefits until the child is 18 and not 16 as previously happened. I cannot see how this is in anyway relevant to those who seem to be doing the looting

Tuition Fees Increase: Does not apply to anyone already in University so that rules out any looter/rioter between the age of 18 and 21 who is at Uni now. Nor do the increased fees apply to anyone entering Uni this October ~ they will go in at the fees as set by the last Government (The one Ms Harman belonged to) and, apart from the annual increase for inflation (as set by Ms Harman's Govt) will not pay any more for the duration of their degree course (three or four years). Those going to Uni this year who were in receipt of EMA last year will also be given an Educational Maintenance Grant for the duration. So the THW will have her tuition fees paid (£3500 approx) by the Government but will, as decreed by the last Government (Ms Harman's lot again) have to repay this once qualified and earning. On top she will receive a GRANT (not loan) of £5,500 pa. Although she qualifies for the maximum assistance any family where the household income is below £55K will be able to gain some assistance on a sliding scale dependant on income. Only those on more than £55Kpa will not get something. Again Ms Harman cannot ask us to believe that those looting and rioting are in anyway disadvantaged by the new Tuition Fees structure.

Job Centre Closures: OK so one Job Centre in her constituency is to be closed. There are, if memory serves, several more in that constituency. We used to recruit from them. Job Centres do not work these days, they are costly to operate and staff and they actually have little effect on jobless totals. There is no job shortage in London, Manchester or Birmingham. What there is a shortage of is suitably qualified and willing young people to fit the jobs that are available.

The woman talks nonsense ... as do most Labour MPs and supporters. The facts are set out above ~ Judge for yourselves.
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 03:07:36 PM »
I'm amazed that she is still peddling untruths as "facts"

EMA (Educational Maintenance Allowance) has indeed ceased BUT it was only ever payable to school attendees who qualified under rules laid down by Ms Harman's party. To qualify the pupil's family income had to be roughly at "benefits level" (whether benefits were claimed or not), the pupil had to be between 16 and 18 years of age and registered on a course of full time education, of not less that 30 hours per week, leading to A levels. The individual schools wrote the rules. For example to qualify the THW ALSO had to be marked present at every single class she was timetabled to attend. No excuses, not even a doctor's note. One class missed in a week and the £30 was not paid for that week. The school included in the qualifications the wearing of the appropriate uniform at all time and the participation, in the pupil's own time, in "approved" activities. These had to include one voluntary activity in the community. Some kids took the course and then spent two shifts a week manning the phones at "Childline", others (THW included) took the appropriate courses and qualified as assistants at Brownies, Cubs or similar. Some worked as unpaid assistants in care homes. Another, school related activity, was also compulsory, membership of choir, band or debating team counted ... again all practise and performances had to be in the pupil's own time. Only if all these were signed off by the school did the child get the £30 ... which incidentally is only paid during term time.
The Coalition Government has indeed stopped this .... but they have now made attendance on a recognised full time course of education or training compulsory to age 18. Parents in receipt of benefits will now continue to receive those benefits until the child is 18 and not 16 as previously happened. I cannot see how this is in anyway relevant to those who seem to be doing the looting

Tuition Fees Increase: Does not apply to anyone already in University so that rules out any looter/rioter between the age of 18 and 21 who is at Uni now. Nor do the increased fees apply to anyone entering Uni this October ~ they will go in at the fees as set by the last Government (The one Ms Harman belonged to) and, apart from the annual increase for inflation (as set by Ms Harman's Govt) will not pay any more for the duration of their degree course (three or four years). Those going to Uni this year who were in receipt of EMA last year will also be given an Educational Maintenance Grant for the duration. So the THW will have her tuition fees paid (£3500 approx) by the Government but will, as decreed by the last Government (Ms Harman's lot again) have to repay this once qualified and earning. On top she will receive a GRANT (not loan) of £5,500 pa. Although she qualifies for the maximum assistance any family where the household income is below £55K will be able to gain some assistance on a sliding scale dependant on income. Only those on more than £55Kpa will not get something. Again Ms Harman cannot ask us to believe that those looting and rioting are in anyway disadvantaged by the new Tuition Fees structure.

Job Centre Closures: OK so one Job Centre in her constituency is to be closed. There are, if memory serves, several more in that constituency. We used to recruit from them. Job Centres do not work these days, they are costly to operate and staff and they actually have little effect on jobless totals. There is no job shortage in London, Manchester or Birmingham. What there is a shortage of is suitably qualified and willing young people to fit the jobs that are available.

The woman talks nonsense ... as do most Labour MPs and supporters. The facts are set out above ~ Judge for yourselves.

Good post...

Sadly none of our MPs ever seem to be bothered with facts....  noooo:
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 05:36:08 PM »
I like this lady.  :thumbsup:

Woman confronts rioters in Hackney

I just watched the father of one of the three men killed last night speaking to the media. Video at the top of this page My heart goes out to him, a brave man, facing the worlds media and speaking from the heart. Sadly, I very much doubt that those he was trying to speak too were listening, so won't heed the message
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 05:40:42 PM »
My little sis is trying to form a vigilante group and has asked me to come and help. Frankly. I would love to, but I have poorly ribs  sad24:
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Re: The Riots
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 07:09:46 PM »
I am a NAZI apparently, so a tarmac shoveling cretin from the Emerald Isle reckons. eeek:

Why?

Because I suggested that all looters should be given a loud hailer warning and if they carry on they should be shot. So? Shrugs:

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Re: The Riots
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 07:58:52 PM »
Oh bleddy great  ::)

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23977184-riot-twins-whos-mother-thought-they-were-at-the-gym.do

See comment from Tommo down the page. I know exactly where this is too and if the twins were at this site on a Sunday night then believe you me they were up for the craic.  8)
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