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Councils to get POCA powers.
« on: October 29, 2009, 03:28:46 PM »
Well it was only a matter of time before this happened, local councils are to be given the power to seize assets of minor offenders under the Proceeds of Crime Act. I admit I have grave reservations about giving this kind of power to local authorities. How long before an overly zealous council mistakenly grabs assets in an attempt to boost their finances, after all whatever you may think of the state of police forces they are at least vetted unlike local councils.

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Local councils are to get the power to seize the assets of minor offenders under government moves next week.

The Proceeds of Crime Act - brought in to target organised criminals could be used against housing benefit fraudsters and other less serious offenders.

The Police Federation has expressed concern that "intrusive powers" are to be given to people who are not police.

But the Home Office said seizing "ill-gotten gains" was a key part of the fight against all kinds of crime.

The move, which is being pushed through next week by Home Secretary Alan Johnson, is set out in a Statutory Instrument, which means it will not be debated by MPs.

Paul McKeever, of the Police Federation, told The Times: "The Proceeds of Crime Act is a very powerful tool in the hands of the police and police-related agencies and it shouldn't be treated lightly."

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He added that there was a "behind-the-scenes creep of powers occurring" and the the public would "would want such very intrusive powers to be kept in the hands of warranted officers and other law enforcement bodies which are vetted to a very high standard rather than given to local councils".

Under the move Accredited Financial Investigators, which include customs officers, Department of Work and Pensions investigators, trading standards and other local authority workers, are to be given the power to seize assets worth more than ?1,000 ahead of a court ruling on their origin and to execute search warrants.

At the moment, these powers are executed on the investigators' behalf by police officers.

The Home Office said the powers will be used against people who have benefited significantly from criminal behaviour and that investigators using them are subject to a code of conduct.

A spokeswoman said the powers would not be used against people in arrears on their council tax or parking fines, as has been reported.

She said: "We are determined to ensure criminals do not profit by breaking the law. Seizing ill-gotten gains is a key part of the fight against criminals ? whether it is from small-time offences or organised crime.

"Accredited Financial Investigators have played an integral role in the recovery of criminal assets since the Proceeds of Crime Act was introduced in 2003, they are fully trained and their powers carefully controlled in law. By giving them some new powers we are extending the fight against crime and freeing up valuable police time."

But the Conservatives attacked the move - saying it could be abused by local authorities.

Shadow communities secretary Caroline Spelman said: "We have already seen how surveillance laws designed to tackle terror and serious crime have been routinely abused and over-used by town hall officials.

"I fear these new powers to inspect financial records and seize assets will also end up being misused and will divert resources to minor breaches like being late in paying a parking fine."

'Deeply disappointing'

When the Proceeds of Crime Act was introduced it was meant to be used to deprive major organised criminals of their lavish lifestyles.

The then home secretary David Blunkett said it would target "the homes, yachts, mansions and luxury cars of the crime barons".

But Mr Blunkett said earlier this year that the law had been "deeply disappointing" after a BBC Panorama documentary revealed how major drug dealers and money launderers were making a mockery of it.

Using the Freedom of Information Act, Panorama found that in the last three years the Scottish unit responsible for criminal confiscation has frozen ?60m of assets - but has only succeeded in taking back ?6m of that total.

In the UK as a whole, ?137m was recovered last year.

The act has increasingly been used by police to seize the assets of minor offenders.
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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 03:48:17 PM »
That's right we are unvetted, unaccountable rogues, pilfering your hard earned Council tax on 2nd homes  and taking all your gold bling under the new Proceeds of Crime Act and smelting them for some new mayoral chain or the other  cussing:

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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 04:25:34 PM »
I didnt say they all would Miss D, but given the shower that claim to be the council down here I'm just waiting for the fallout.  scared:
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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 05:11:40 PM »
The report quoted serves once again to demonstrate the Law of Unintended Consequences that Nulabour still deny every time they want to legislate.

2823 pieces of new legislation in Gordon Brown's first year in office as PM was even more than Tony Blair managed at his peak. Blair had outstripped Major and Thatcher by 56% but Gordon has put him in the shade.
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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 09:15:53 PM »
If you go to the "other place" you can read Kimmy's take on this...

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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 09:53:45 PM »
Where is this 'other place?'

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 08:21:19 AM »
BM is old enough and ugly enough not to get upset. Kimmy = Disputed, a legend for all the wrong reasons  ;D

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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 08:33:00 AM »
I'm not ugly...  sad24:
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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 08:34:19 AM »
..says the man with a bucket on his head.

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 08:40:34 AM »
..says the man with a bucket on his head.
A fine, handsome bucket!  whistle:
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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 08:41:08 AM »
..says the man with a bucket on his head.
Lovely eyes though. . .


















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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 08:41:46 AM »
..says the man with a bucket on his head.
Lovely eyes though. . .

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Re: Councils to get POCA powers.
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 08:42:56 AM »
I shall leave you two alone now.