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Offline Pastis

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Tramps
« on: May 25, 2007, 04:49:35 PM »
I know I'm getting older but are tramps getting younger? I recall that they used to be old, wizened and weather beaten, and often quite courteous. Schooled in the university of life and a life on the road. Today, as I traversed the metropolis on the top deck of the bus I saw several at intervals but were they of the type I remember? No. They were flat out on their backs, slumped on steps or in doorways, oblivious to the world and none of them over thirty, I'd guess.

Arthur Haynes used to have a character called 'College', if I remember. I know he was fictional but he spoke, he conversed. Seems that today's tramp is comatose and barely breathing.

Sad, very sad. cry:
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2007, 06:04:26 PM »
There is a difference between the "Gentleman of the Road" and the drugged up idiots you see sprawled in doorways.
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 07:05:21 PM »
You know? I think you're right.
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 07:13:14 PM »


According to the BBC web site and other sources the character was known as Hobo Haynes. As ever Nicholas Parsons was the foil for many of Arthur's "Hobo" rants The character, played by Arthur Haynes depended very much on Johnny Speight who wrote the sketches. A forerunner of Alf Garnet in many ways.

"College" was of course the tramp creation of Dick Emery
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 07:22:14 PM »
Bugger. Memory malfunction too  cry:
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2007, 07:24:45 PM »
It's the drink that does it!  lol:
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 10:17:22 PM »
Quote from: Snoopy link=topic=372. msg5247#msg5247 date=1180121085
It's the drink that does it!  lol:

Pickles them to make them look younger you mean?

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Re: Tramps
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2007, 09:58:39 AM »
Watched a programme the other day called filthy rich and homeless or some such dirge where a group of millionairres lived on the street for a couple of days.

Before going on the street one ethnic gentleman claimed they were all just lazy.  Most seem to forget that many of these people have a mental illness and there is a great many ex-soldiers out there (apparently).

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2007, 10:49:22 AM »
Quote from: Mr Happy link=topic=372. msg5271#msg5271 date=1180173519
Watched a programme the other day called filthy rich and homeless or some such dirge where a group of millionairres lived on the street for a couple of days.

Before going on the street one ethnic gentleman claimed they were all just lazy.   Most seem to forget that many of these people have a mental illness and there is a great many ex-soldiers out there (apparently).

I saw that programe about the forgotten about soldiers too, it's really bad they way they're left to rot on the streets like that.

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Re: Tramps
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2007, 09:41:27 AM »
I read recently that after the Second World War the Soviet authories rounded up their limbless war veterans (known as samovars  eeek:) and sent them to towns in the Arctic Circle so that the Moscow streets wouldn't have suffer such unsighty scenes.

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Re: Tramps
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2007, 09:49:24 AM »
Much of what we see today is a direct result of "Care in the Community" ~ a far cry from Old Soldiers, out of work and with little option but to travel the byways seeking work where they could find it.
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2007, 02:17:18 PM »
Much of what we see today is a direct result of "Care in the Community" ~ a far cry from Old Soldiers, out of work and with little option but to travel the byways seeking work where they could find it.

The navy terminology was beached.  That was thrown onto the beach with nothing to their name, often disabled but usually too old to work and simply discarded.

The tramp got the name for all the 'tramping' around the countryside looking for work.

As we became a mechanised nation losing thousands of farm labourers, all these people found themselves driven into town, including the 'tramps' that denied work were now reduced to begging.

Their state led to various seaman's missions caring and the notorious Chelsea pensioners establishing an afterlife for some eventually led to people actually thinking about the welfare of all those that served us.

A lot of the ex-servicemen considered any kind of welfare to be charity and would have none of it, preferring to be 'gentlemen of the roads' but eventually the numbers dwindled as military institutions became established and they became replaced by ordinary folk that had been down on their luck and penniless.

It would be fair to say, that there is scant reason to be a tramp today unless one finds it an agreeable lifestyle, and there are some that do.  Mostly, there are the workshy, antisocial and misfits on the streets today. But drugs are establishing a new order of destitute and these are a wholly different bunch to their predecessors.

These days they are desperate to raise money to feed habits that would be financially out of reach of most ordinary folk, so have become past masters in separating people from their money in an ever increasing range of imaginative ways from begging to murder.

It is no fun to be on the streets today and there is certainly no comradeship to be found any more.

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Re: Tramps
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2007, 02:40:52 PM »
But only us old'uns remember  sad24:
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Re: Tramps
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2007, 05:57:00 PM »
Times have changed. The Jocks used to have the lucrative begging franchise in our shopping malls and town centre precincts, but that?s now been taken over by Eastern Europeans and the Jocks can?t get a look-in. And let?s face it, a wild-eyed, drunken Glaswegian clutching a can of Special Brew while wobbling about as if he?d got one foot nailed to the floor is always going to lose out to a pitiful young Romanian mother with six children and one leg

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Re: Tramps
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2007, 05:59:35 PM »
a pitiful young Romanian mother with six children and one leg between 'em.

Fair breaks yer heart, doesn't it. How do they get around?
Like the Buddhist said to the hot dog vendor...
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