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Offline Steve

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Re: The News
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2019, 08:09:47 PM »
So go on then name an example lie

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Re: The News
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2019, 11:23:39 PM »
Bizarre is not so bad  :thumbsup:

I am deffo going to try it  - I can't think of anything that i will miss that will add any value to my world noooo:

It really doesn't...  noooo:

I stopped watching when I realised they were lying to me... Probably 'second hand smoke' was the final straw...

I now get my 'news' from various websites and bloggers who (unlike the BBC) have to provide some proof and justification for their views to be believed...

Tim Pool/Timcast and Subverse are worth having a look at. :thumbsup:

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Just don't get too disconcerted by the geek culture references, he's good at cutting through most of the crap going on and has predicted a number of political events in America well in advance.
Tim Pool isn't a news service, he's an interesting observer of the news but very narrow and very niche.  His supposed wisdoms today include

"Delete your twitter history

Do it now

Thank me later"


and the truly uninteresting

"this world is stupid

everyone is stupid"


As for the BBC supposedly not being scrutinised it's probably the most peer reviewed and overseen news source in the world.  And the broadest

He considers himself more a news pundit but his independent news media work history is impressive. Also bear in mind he has 2 channels one for more serious articles and the other for his observations on America, politics and the culture war.
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Re: The News
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2019, 08:07:09 AM »
Bizarre is not so bad  :thumbsup:

I am deffo going to try it  - I can't think of anything that i will miss that will add any value to my world noooo:

It really doesn't...  noooo:

I stopped watching when I realised they were lying to me... Probably 'second hand smoke' was the final straw...

I now get my 'news' from various websites and bloggers who (unlike the BBC) have to provide some proof and justification for their views to be believed...

Tim Pool/Timcast and Subverse are worth having a look at. :thumbsup:

 :thumbsup:

Just don't get too disconcerted by the geek culture references, he's good at cutting through most of the crap going on and has predicted a number of political events in America well in advance.
Tim Pool isn't a news service, he's an interesting observer of the news but very narrow and very niche.  His supposed wisdoms today include

"Delete your twitter history

Do it now

Thank me later"


and the truly uninteresting

"this world is stupid

everyone is stupid"


As for the BBC supposedly not being scrutinised it's probably the most peer reviewed and overseen news source in the world.  And the broadest

He considers himself more a news pundit but his independent news media work history is impressive. Also bear in mind he has 2 channels one for more serious articles and the other for his observations on America, politics and the culture war.
No argument with that but he’s not a news service. He’s a selected news observer and if people only relied on those (I know you don’t) then they’d get a very man bites dog skewed view of the world

And sadly I encounter such daily
Well, whatever, nevermind

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Re: The News
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2019, 02:16:02 AM »
Bizarre is not so bad  :thumbsup:

I am deffo going to try it  - I can't think of anything that i will miss that will add any value to my world noooo:

It really doesn't...  noooo:

I stopped watching when I realised they were lying to me... Probably 'second hand smoke' was the final straw...

I now get my 'news' from various websites and bloggers who (unlike the BBC) have to provide some proof and justification for their views to be believed...

Tim Pool/Timcast and Subverse are worth having a look at. :thumbsup:

 :thumbsup:

Just don't get too disconcerted by the geek culture references, he's good at cutting through most of the crap going on and has predicted a number of political events in America well in advance.
Tim Pool isn't a news service, he's an interesting observer of the news but very narrow and very niche.  His supposed wisdoms today include

"Delete your twitter history

Do it now

Thank me later"


and the truly uninteresting

"this world is stupid

everyone is stupid"


As for the BBC supposedly not being scrutinised it's probably the most peer reviewed and overseen news source in the world.  And the broadest

He considers himself more a news pundit but his independent news media work history is impressive. Also bear in mind he has 2 channels one for more serious articles and the other for his observations on America, politics and the culture war.
No argument with that but he’s not a news service. He’s a selected news observer and if people only relied on those (I know you don’t) then they’d get a very man bites dog skewed view of the world

And sadly I encounter such daily

One thing I forgot to put into context was his delete your twitter history post. Carson King, the man raised over $1m for a children's hospital with the money for booze sign I mentioned in Fantastic Headlines was investigated by a journalist from his local paper who went back through 8 years of twitter history as a 'standard background check' to find a couple of off colour jokes and that was enough for them to justify smearing daylights out of him, or they would have if King hadn't done the only thing he could have after being confronted by the paper and talked to the local TV news stations before they could print the story.

When he was confronted by the DMR 'journalist' (and I use that term loosely) he was immediately contrite and regretful over the comments which had absolutely nothing to do with the money he raised for the local children's hospital other than they believed they had a scoop and could bring down a local hero. Now I have to ask, in what regard (other than perhaps applying for restricted jobs or an investigation by the security services) would trawling through 8 YEARS worth of twitter comments be standard practice. Carl Benjamin coined the phrase 'Dirty dirty smear merchants' to describe a phenomenon that is becoming more and more prevalent.
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Re: The News
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2019, 04:35:50 AM »
So go on then name an example lie

I couldn't be arsed to dig into stuff to find a BBC 'lie' that we could argue about as I was fairly sure that something would pop up soon enough and it did this week...

Minimum price 'cuts drinking by half a pint a week'

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The introduction of minimum pricing for alcohol in Scotland appears to have cut drinking, a study suggests.

Since May 2018, the price of alcohol has had to be at least 50p per unit.

The study published in the British Medical Journal looked at how much alcohol was bought in shops before and after the move up to the end of 2018.

It found the amount purchased per person per week fell by 1.2 units - the equivalent of just over half a pint of beer or a measure of spirits.

The biggest fall was among the heaviest fifth of drinkers - the amount purchased by this group fell by two units.

But overall Scots were still buying more than 14 units a week, the recommended limit, after the introduction of the new drinking laws.

What is more, the analysis excluded pubs, bars and restaurants, where about a quarter of drinks are purchased.

If it isn't a lie it is a bizarre perversion of the facts to suit the BBC's nanny-state agenda...

It follows on from this...

Charity calls for alcohol minimum pricing to be extended across UK

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A charity has called for Scotland's minimum unit pricing policy for alcohol (MUP) to be rolled out across the UK.

It followed the publication of evidence suggesting MUP has had a significant impact on drinking patterns.

Data presented at a conference in Glasgow suggested alcohol-related deaths in the city had fallen by 21.5%.

The policy was introduced in May 2018, but organisers said there was already an indication it was working - and should be more widely applied.

The research was presented at the British Association for the Study of the Liver (BASL) conference in Glasgow and was based on unpublished data from the city's Alcohol and Drugs Partnership (ADP).

The British Liver Trust said although the results came very soon after the law was introduced and the long term impact was still being studied, they nonetheless had important implications for MUP in England and the rest of the UK.

Scotland was the first country in the world to implement a minimum unit price for alcohol, following a 10-year campaign by health bodies.

It means licensed premises in Scotland cannot sell alcohol below a price which depends on the amount of alcohol contained in the product. It is currently set at 50p per unit of alcohol.

According to the BBC MUP has been a sensational success with consumption reduced and alcohol related deaths falling by 21%  eeek:

But it simply isn't true, alcohol sales increased as did the number of alcohol related deaths in Scotland overall. The policy is a dismal failure but the BBC is using press releases from anti-alcohol lobby groups to present it as a success and get MUP extended across the RoUK...



This is by no means a unique occurrence, they do it all the time and have been doing it for years. I woke up to it with the 'second hand smoke' scandal which I think I mentioned previously...

The BBC should be completely unbiased and impartial - they have the money and resources to investigate claims such as these but they choose not to.

Of course, this isn't something only the BBC do, similar stories can be found this week in the 'newspapers' and other TV channels so the public get wall to wall coverage of something that simply isn't true.

And that is why I never watch, read or listen to the MSM.  ;)
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Re: The News
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2019, 08:40:24 AM »
But is wasn't a BBC lie was it?  And they'd have been a dishonest broadcaster if they'd suppressed the story

Because there really was a study published in the BMJ that said it:  https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5603

Sky news reported it in same terms:  https://news.sky.com/story/scots-are-drinking-and-buying-less-alcohol-since-minimum-price-was-introduced-11819782

So did the Daily Misery:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7503443/Minimum-unit-pricing-Scotland-worked-slashed-alcohol-purchased-8.html

Manchester Evening News:  https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/minimum-alcohol-price-drinking-scotland-16986636

The Times:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fewer-deaths-after-minimum-alcohol-pricing-glasgow-doctors-say-0p0cjf93l

and more


But hey ho to some it's all the BBCs fault for reporting it
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Re: The News
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2019, 09:39:39 AM »
But is wasn't a BBC lie was it?  And they'd have been a dishonest broadcaster if they'd suppressed the story

Because there really was a study published in the BMJ that said it:  https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5603

Sky news reported it in same terms:  https://news.sky.com/story/scots-are-drinking-and-buying-less-alcohol-since-minimum-price-was-introduced-11819782

So did the Daily Misery:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7503443/Minimum-unit-pricing-Scotland-worked-slashed-alcohol-purchased-8.html

Manchester Evening News:  https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/minimum-alcohol-price-drinking-scotland-16986636

The Times:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fewer-deaths-after-minimum-alcohol-pricing-glasgow-doctors-say-0p0cjf93l

and more


But hey ho to some it's all the BBCs fault for reporting it

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But it is a lie... Or fake news or whatever you prefer to call it...

And the BBC is supposed to be an impartial news source... This isn't news, this is just propaganda... People getting their 'news' from the BBC will be lead to believe this is the truth - because the BBC said so - when it clearly and plainly isn't...

It isn't the BBC's job to spout propaganda from any campaign group that sends it a press release...

...and you can bet your life that if a pro-alcohol group sent them a press release saying, "MUP hasn't worked in Scotland, deaths up, alcohol sales up" it would have gone straight in the bin...

And yes, of course the others are just as bad, which is why I never watch, read or listen to the MSM...  ;)

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Re: The News
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2019, 10:19:18 AM »
But it's not a lie to say "The introduction of minimum pricing for alcohol in Scotland appears to have cut drinking, a study suggests"

Not only is it true that that study so suggests, it would be dishonest to not report it. 
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Re: The News
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2019, 11:27:25 AM »
But it's not a lie to say "The introduction of minimum pricing for alcohol in Scotland appears to have cut drinking, a study suggests"

Not only is it true that that study so suggests, it would be dishonest to not report it.

No, the dishonesty is not looking at the actual results and reporting that it is bollox and deaths have increased as have alcohol sales. You know, a bit of investigative journalism.

If they received a study saying the Moon appears to be made of cheese would they report that too...?

Remember that unlike the other media the public are forced to pay for this via the telly tax.

The BBC is duty bound to report the news, not spew out press releases from lobby groups.
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Re: The News
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2019, 11:46:05 AM »
This is going nowhere
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Re: The News
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2019, 06:43:16 PM »
Can we talk about that cunt Dominic Cummngs now?
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Re: The News
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2019, 07:52:21 PM »
Can we talk about that cunt Dominic Cummngs now?
Think you've said it all
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Re: The News
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2019, 07:52:43 PM »
Nothing for 5 days now .... cloud9:

Have I missed out?   lol:
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Re: The News
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2019, 04:19:56 AM »
Nothing for 5 days now .... cloud9:

Have I missed out?   lol:

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Re: The News
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2019, 02:40:41 PM »
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