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Title: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 08, 2008, 02:57:26 PM
Am I just being cynical or does this strike me as being wide open to abuse if you just manage to nark you r boss off for any reason when you leave.  noooo:

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Workers accused of theft or damage could soon find themselves blacklisted on a register to be shared among employers. It will be good for profits but campaigners say innocent people could find it impossible to get another job.

To critics it sounds like a scenario from some Orwellian nightmare.

An online database of workers accused of theft and dishonesty, regardless of whether they have been convicted of any crime, which bosses can access when vetting potential employees.

But this is no dystopian fantasy. Later this month, the National Staff Dismissal Register (NSDR) is expected to go live.   Individuals would be treated as criminals, even though the police have never been contacted

Organisers say that major companies including Harrods, Selfridges, Reed Managed Services and Mothercare have already signed up to the scheme. By the end of May they will be able to check whether candidates for jobs have faced allegations of stealing, forgery, fraud, damaging company property or causing a loss to their employers and suppliers.

Workers sacked for these offences will be included on the register, regardless of whether police had enough evidence to convict them. Also on the list will be employees who resigned before they could face disciplinary proceedings at work.

The project has attracted little publicity. But the BBC News website can reveal that trade unions and civil liberties campaigners are warning that it leaves workers vulnerable to the threat of false accusations.

TUC policy officer Hannah Reed says that while criminal activity in the workplace can never be condoned, she fears such a system is open to abuse.

WHAT WILL GET YOU ON IT
Theft or attempted theft of money, merchandise or property from company, suppliers or customers
Falsification or forgery of documents
Fraudulently obtaining money, services or information
Damaging company property


"The TUC is seriously concerned that this register can only lead to people being shut out from the job market by an employer who falsely accuses them of misconduct or sacks them because they bear them a grudge. Individuals would be treated as criminals, even though the police have never been contacted.

"The Criminal Records Bureau was set up to assist employers to make safe appointments when recruiting staff to work with vulnerable groups. The CRB already provides appropriate and properly regulated protection for employers. Under the new register, an employee may not be aware they have been blacklisted or have any right to appeal."

James Welch, the legal director of human rights group Liberty, also says that he is concerned that the register does not offer sufficient redress to the falsely accused.

"This scheme appears to bypass existing laws which protect employees by limiting the circumstances when information about possible criminal activity can be shared with potential employers."

The register is an initiative of Action Against Business Crime (AABC), a partnership between the Home Office and the British Retail Consortium. 

Set up by Surrey-based firm Hicom Business Solutions, the database will allow employers to search for potential workers by name, address, date of birth, national insurance number and previous employer.

Records on individuals - accessible online via an encrypted password system - will be kept for a five-year period and can include photos.

Mike Schuck, chief executive of AABC, says that theft by members of staff costs the British economy billions of pounds each year and rejects the notion that the register is a blacklist.

He says that all participating companies will be obliged to abide by the Data Protection Act and that workers named on the database, maintained by AABC, will have the right to change their entries if they are inaccurate.

Should a dispute take place between an employee and an employer about whether an incident occurred, Mr Schuck adds, the worker will be able to appeal to the Information Commissioner's Office.

"We are limiting access to the database to employers who can comply with the Information Commissioner's employment practices code," he says. "We're not going to allow Mr Smith's hardware store. We're quite open about this. People will be told when they apply for jobs that they may be checked as part of the application process.

"Theft in the workplace hurts staff as much as employers because it puts everyone under suspicion."

Nonetheless, many workers may get a nasty surprise when old allegations return to haunt them when they next apply for a job.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 08, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
NuLabour Mantra Applies: "The innocent have nothing to fear"  ::)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Pastis on May 08, 2008, 06:19:15 PM
Ah the joys of being one's own boss, not suffering the politics of the workplace, the jaunty banter from one's colleagues  ::)

The idyll of self employment, time to think and allow the creative juices to flow... etc etc. The reality being, that having escaped from the above one is beset with the task of having to wear so many different hats that multiple personality disorder is almost a sine qua non.  evil:

Still, better the devils you know...  cloud9:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 08, 2008, 06:27:19 PM
Agreed! happy088
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 08:42:29 AM
Quite so.I last had a proper job in 1997. My life has been immeasurably improved by escaping committees and daft paperwork and some frightful people. I revisit the place only in my nightmares (like I did last night)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 08:46:30 AM
Quite so.I last had a proper job in 1997. My life has been immeasurably improved by escaping committees and daft paperwork and some frightful people. I revisit the place only in my nightmares (like I did last night)
Yvette was in your nightmare then?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 09, 2008, 08:47:32 AM
My life has been immeasurably improved by escape committees

No doubt GOS (and possibly TMR) will have something to say about that.


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Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 08:48:57 AM
Inevitable really noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 09, 2008, 08:49:10 AM
Yvette was in your nightmare then?  rubschin:

Subtle ~ you might have to say it more than once.  ;)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 08:49:20 AM
Quite so.I last had a proper job in 1997. My life has been immeasurably improved by escaping committees and daft paperwork and some frightful people. I revisit the place only in my nightmares (like I did last night)
Yvette was in your nightmare then?  rubschin:

 evil:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 08:50:18 AM
Quite so.I last had a proper job in 1997. My life has been immeasurably improved by escaping committees and daft paperwork and some frightful people. I revisit the place only in my nightmares (like I did last night)
Yvette was in your nightmare then?  rubschin:

 evil:
point:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 08:53:00 AM
How's the speech coming along? eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 08:55:43 AM
How's the speech coming along? eveilgrin:
Finished!  cloud9:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 08:56:50 AM
Is it any good?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 08:57:00 AM
Well gis a look then!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 08:58:19 AM
Is it any good?
Of course!  whistle:

Passed by 'Management' too...  cloud9:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 08:58:49 AM
Well gis a look then!
I don't think so!  noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Just One More on May 09, 2008, 09:00:50 AM
Quite so.I last had a proper job in 1997. My life has been immeasurably improved by escaping committees and daft paperwork and some frightful people. I revisit the place only in my nightmares (like I did last night)
Yvette was in your nightmare then?  rubschin:

I'm new to this "Yvette" thing. Am I on the right lines?


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Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 09:01:47 AM
Well gis a look then!
I don't think so!  noooo:

You are a big bald meanie!  sad24:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 09:02:49 AM
Well gis a look then!
I don't think so!  noooo:

You are a big bald meanie!  sad24:
You had your chance!  point:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:04:59 AM
Is it very long?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 09:05:52 AM
Is it very long?
redface:

That's rather personal Nick.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:06:58 AM
Is it amusing then?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 09:13:49 AM
Is it amusing then?
Oh yes...

1,446 words of wit and wisdom...  whistle:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:15:49 AM
And the other 10,000?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 09:16:35 AM
And the other 10,000?
Shite.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:17:55 AM
Edit it!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 09:18:11 AM
I don't think he has finished it.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:20:39 AM
I don't believe him either. He must have downloaded one off the interweb and changed the names noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 09:22:18 AM
I think he just wants us to stop bothering him about it.

He is a liar liar pants on fire!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:24:22 AM
He must be feeling guilty noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 09, 2008, 09:27:42 AM
Is it amusing then?
Oh yes...

1,446 words of wit and wisdom...  whistle:

I dont think telling them where you got the hair transplant done over and over again counts as a wedding speech BM. More like free advertising.  point:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:28:35 AM
He's sponsored by Wigs'R'Us.

Free samples for all baldies at the wedding (see also: Merkins)

Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
It is finished...  Banghead

...and LL thinks it is great!  cloud9:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:35:56 AM
LL has been at the gin again  noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 09:43:20 AM
I am sulking!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 09:43:53 AM
I am sulking!
point:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:52:58 AM
I am sulking!

Why?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 09, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
LL has been at the gin again  noooo:

Her speech is slurred.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 09:57:47 AM
I am sulking!

Why?

BECAUSE!

 angry041:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 09:59:06 AM
I am sulking!

Why?

BECAUSE!

 angry041:

You haven't been taking lessons in communication from my ex wife have you? eeek:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 09:59:57 AM
I get it. Her dad has not left a FotB speech for her and she feels bereft. Never mind Wench, when the time comes we can do one for you


I am getting quite good at this "understanding wimmin" stuff, at last. But not all the time, obviously
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:00:40 AM
I am sulking!

Why?

BECAUSE!

 angry041:

You haven't been taking lessons in communication from my ex wife have you? eeek:

 ::)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:00:54 AM
I get it. Her dad has not left a FotB speech for her and she feels bereft. Never mind Wench, when the time comes we can do one for you

 sad24:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:01:41 AM
Yup
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 10:04:02 AM
I get it. Her dad has not left a FotB speech for her and she feels bereft. Never mind Wench, when the time comes we can do one for you

 sad24:
happy100

I have a great speech that you can have... after May 24th of course.  whistle:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:04:56 AM
Any Welsh jokes in it?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:07:14 AM
I get it. Her dad has not left a FotB speech for her and she feels bereft. Never mind Wench, when the time comes we can do one for you

 sad24:
happy100

I have a great speech that you can have... after May 24th of course.  whistle:

I already have a nonexistant speech of my own thanks!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:08:49 AM
 eeek:

No WELSH JOKES!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2008, 10:09:57 AM
Any Welsh jokes in it?
rubschin:
Leeks and things?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 10:10:46 AM
I am sulking!

Why?

BECAUSE!

 angry041:

You haven't been taking lessons in communication from my ex wife have you? eeek:

 ::)

I only asked as that was her answer to any question regarding her mood, motives, behaviour. "Because"
Drove me mad over twenty loooooooooooooooooong years  Banghead
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:13:42 AM
Women do tend to interrogate too much. Just accept it. Mrs Nick is now investigating a cottage for her mother to move into (cataracts - has to stop driving) so she can "live near us" eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
 point:

We had my grandparents living in a annex below our main house.  noooo: Biggest mistake my parents ever made.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
Details?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 09, 2008, 10:25:02 AM
point:

We had my grandparents living in a annex below our main house.  noooo: Biggest mistake my parents ever made.

Perhaps they were locked in the cellar?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 09, 2008, 10:25:30 AM
Any Welsh jokes in it?
rubschin:
Leeks and things?
Leeks and thongs.  eyes:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:26:48 AM
point:

We had my grandparents living in a annex below our main house.  noooo: Biggest mistake my parents ever made.

Perhaps they were locked in the cellar?

Are you saying she is Austrian?

Note also that the guilty Austrian is a devout Catholic. Rather like Mrs Nick scared2:

We have a cellar scared2:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:28:09 AM
Completely destroyed any feeling I had for my grandparents, in fact actually came to hate my Grandmother. They intefered completely and utterly with family life and caused more arguements than I care to think about. Then they became ill. Grandfather had alzheimers then he died, Grandmother had cancer then she died. She became quite odd and extremely difficult as the elderly tend to. Accused me of trying to kill her and steal from her.

It was all terribly unpleasant. And not something that grandchildren should have to witness. I've told my Mum that it is a home for her. That under no circumstances will I ever have an elderly parent living with or down the road from me within walking distance.
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:29:23 AM
point:

We had my grandparents living in a annex below our main house.  noooo: Biggest mistake my parents ever made.

Perhaps they were locked in the cellar?

Our house in Spain is built on a hill. The main house is all on one level and underneath it are the granny flat and a smaller two bedroom unit, plus the garage, games room etc. All are accesable from the outside and have windows and everything!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:29:46 AM
So not a good plan then?






























I have informed Mrs Nick already, but will she listen? noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 10:31:24 AM
So not a good plan then?


I have informed Mrs Nick already, but will she listen? noooo:

That'll be the Catholic in her. Guilt ridden.  noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Bar Wench on May 09, 2008, 10:31:32 AM
So not a good plan then?






























I have informed Mrs Nick already, but will she listen? noooo:

No probably not. My parents were warned too but they didn't listen either. However, if The Boy grows up with a pathalogical hatred of Grand Mrs Nick it is only to be expected. Also he won't have you and Mrs Nick to live with him in your dotage so you are doing yourself out of elderly care!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
So not a good plan then?


I have informed Mrs Nick already, but will she listen? noooo:

That'll be the Catholic in her. Guilt ridden.  noooo:

Spot effing ON!!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
The selling neighbour is a grunter. Name of Paul. Carpenter. I say hello and he grunts.

He reckons he is off to Thailand. "To teach English!"

He is doing a 2 day course  noooo:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 10:49:45 AM
People go to Thailand for other reasons. eeek:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 09, 2008, 10:50:49 AM
Culture  rubschin:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:51:08 AM
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People go to Thailand for other reasons.

That is the rumour in the Red lion (which you know). (see also:reputations)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
That is the rumour in the Red lion (which you know). (see also:reputations)

Thought it might be  lol:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 10:52:20 AM
He is also bald! Always a bad sign noooo:

A quarter of a million?!

http://www.clivewatkin.com/full-details.asp?propertyid=96131 (http://www.clivewatkin.com/full-details.asp?propertyid=96131)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 11:16:35 AM
 eeek:

It's tiny!
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
No personal comments thank you. evil:
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2008, 11:23:30 AM
Where would you put your organ?
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Just One More on May 09, 2008, 11:35:54 AM
point:

We had my grandparents living in a annex below our main house.  noooo: Biggest mistake my parents ever made.

Perhaps they were locked in the cellar?

Are you saying she is Austrian?

Note also that the guilty Austrian is a devout Catholic. Rather like Mrs Nick scared2:

We have a cellar scared2:

This guy may be able to help Nick, he's a bit hard to contact at the moment though


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Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Just One More on May 09, 2008, 11:36:51 AM
He is also bald! Always a bad sign noooo:

A quarter of a million?!

http://www.clivewatkin.com/full-details.asp?propertyid=96131 (http://www.clivewatkin.com/full-details.asp?propertyid=96131)

Oi! (Anybody know where BM gets his rugs from?)
Title: Re: Dont pi55 off the boss...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2008, 11:38:51 AM
IKEA