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Title: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 10, 2019, 03:56:06 PM
So Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his cell earlier today having committed suicide apparently while still on suicide watch....  rubschin:

While I certainly won't mourn his passing I do see a problem here, when someone is on suicide watch they are stripped of anything that could do them harm and are placed into a bare cell with basic facilities. So just how was he able to kill himself? If he was taken off the watch following his previous attempt then why did that happen so quickly, there is no way that should happen after a couple of weeks under normal circumstances.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/jeffrey-epstein-death/index.html
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 10, 2019, 09:28:36 PM
He was taken off suicide watch after a week.  Apparently the earlier incident wasn't a suicide attempt but rather an attack bu others

Still a bit sus but maybe not as sus
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Miss Demeanour on August 10, 2019, 10:10:47 PM
Deffo sus rubschin:

Another potential embarrassment for the Royal Family resolved  whistle:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 11, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
Deffo sus rubschin:

Another potential embarrassment for the Royal Family resolved  whistle:

Not to mention the Clintons...  whistle:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2019, 06:05:10 AM
Shamelessly stolen from elsewhere...  redface:

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I must admit, Epstein’s suicide came as a bit of a surprise to me, but not half as much as it was for him.
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
Deffo sus rubschin:

Another potential embarrassment for the Royal Family resolved  whistle:

Not to mention the Clintons...  whistle:
More like for Trump

Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Miss Demeanour on August 11, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Shamelessly stolen from elsewhere...  redface:

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I must admit, Epstein’s suicide came as a bit of a surprise to me, but not half as much as it was for him.

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 13, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
So the autopsy is 'inconclusive', one inmate says that they heard nothing while another one says they heard shrieking...

https://abc7.com/ag-barr-says-irregularities-found-at-jeffrey-epstein-jail/5461698/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nearby-inmate-heard-nothing-when-jeffrey-epstein-died-lawyer-says-n1041646

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/

And now it appears that one of the 2 guards wasn't qualified...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death-guard-not-qualified-conspiracy-theory-autopsy-results-latest-a9055136.html
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Darwins Selection on August 14, 2019, 09:49:32 AM
So the autopsy is 'inconclusive', one inmate says that they heard nothing while another one says they heard shrieking...

https://abc7.com/ag-barr-says-irregularities-found-at-jeffrey-epstein-jail/5461698/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nearby-inmate-heard-nothing-when-jeffrey-epstein-died-lawyer-says-n1041646

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/

And now it appears that one of the 2 guards wasn't qualified...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death-guard-not-qualified-conspiracy-theory-autopsy-results-latest-a9055136.html
Was one an intoxicated Frenchman by any chance?
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 14, 2019, 11:05:33 AM
All these latest revelations indicate that his death was cock-up rather than conspiracy because his death has revealed possibly criminal failings in the jail management they would very much want to have stayed hidden

Yes he was supposed to be checked every 30 minutes and wasn't but even if he had been it might well not have saved him as it takes well less than that to die of (self) strangulation

Should he have been on continuous suicide watch and regime?  Well yes of course we know that NOW but was it unreasonable to have taken him off such as his own attorney's request?  No

Some times bad things do happen without any conspiracy involved. 
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Miss Demeanour on August 14, 2019, 09:26:35 PM
Sales of popcorn in your household must be minimal  rubschin:

 Popcorn: Popcorn: Popcorn:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 14, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Sales of popcorn in your household must be minimal  rubschin:

 Popcorn: Popcorn: Popcorn:
Certainly I don't swallow too many conspiracy theories. 
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 15, 2019, 03:30:55 AM
Sales of popcorn in your household must be minimal  rubschin:

 Popcorn: Popcorn: Popcorn:

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 15, 2019, 11:56:44 PM
The autopsy results are curious, given that he apparently tied the bedsheet to a bed and then leaned forward to commit suicide how do you manage to break multiple bones in your neck. Normal hanging I could see doing that kind of damage as your entire body weight would suddenly be held by the rope or whatever you have around your neck but not the way he is supposed to have used...  rubschin:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/15/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-broken-neck/index.html   
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 16, 2019, 03:41:00 AM
The autopsy results are curious, given that he apparently tied the bedsheet to a bed and then leaned forward to commit suicide how do you manage to break multiple bones in your neck. Normal hanging I could see doing that kind of damage as your entire body weight would suddenly be held by the rope or whatever you have around your neck but not the way he is supposed to have used...  rubschin:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/15/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-broken-neck/index.html

It does seem odd...  rubschin:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 16, 2019, 04:06:16 AM
EPSTEIN’S STRANGE PAINTING (https://order-order.com/2019/08/15/epsteins-strange-painting/)

Quote from: Guido
According to the the New York Post a painting dubbed “Parsing Bill” by a New York-based artist named Petrina Ryan-Kleid hung on the wall of Jeffrey Epstein’s $56 million townhouse. It was of the former president in the famous dress worn by Monica Lewinsky. Until now Guido believed that Epstein did kill himself in jail, given he knew what lay ahead for him. Now however, well, Clinton had motive for this alone… never mind the other rumours…


(https://i.postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg/epstein-clinton.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg)


 eeek:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Darwins Selection on August 16, 2019, 09:14:56 AM
EPSTEIN’S STRANGE PAINTING (https://order-order.com/2019/08/15/epsteins-strange-painting/)

Quote from: Guido
According to the the New York Post a painting dubbed “Parsing Bill” by a New York-based artist named Petrina Ryan-Kleid hung on the wall of Jeffrey Epstein’s $56 million townhouse. It was of the former president in the famous dress worn by Monica Lewinsky. Until now Guido believed that Epstein did kill himself in jail, given he knew what lay ahead for him. Now however, well, Clinton had motive for this alone… never mind the other rumours…


(https://i.postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg/epstein-clinton.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg)


 eeek:
Clinton in a dress?
Come off it.  noooo:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 16, 2019, 09:15:52 AM
EPSTEIN’S STRANGE PAINTING (https://order-order.com/2019/08/15/epsteins-strange-painting/)

Quote from: Guido
According to the the New York Post a painting dubbed “Parsing Bill” by a New York-based artist named Petrina Ryan-Kleid hung on the wall of Jeffrey Epstein’s $56 million townhouse. It was of the former president in the famous dress worn by Monica Lewinsky. Until now Guido believed that Epstein did kill himself in jail, given he knew what lay ahead for him. Now however, well, Clinton had motive for this alone… never mind the other rumours…


(https://i.postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg/epstein-clinton.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg)


 eeek:
Clinton in a dress?
Come off it.  noooo:
happy001
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 16, 2019, 11:11:44 AM
EPSTEIN’S STRANGE PAINTING (https://order-order.com/2019/08/15/epsteins-strange-painting/)

Quote from: Guido
According to the the New York Post a painting dubbed “Parsing Bill” by a New York-based artist named Petrina Ryan-Kleid hung on the wall of Jeffrey Epstein’s $56 million townhouse. It was of the former president in the famous dress worn by Monica Lewinsky. Until now Guido believed that Epstein did kill himself in jail, given he knew what lay ahead for him. Now however, well, Clinton had motive for this alone… never mind the other rumours…


(https://i.postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg/epstein-clinton.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg)


 eeek:
Clinton in a dress?
Come off it.  noooo:

 drumroll:

happy002
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Just One More on August 16, 2019, 07:48:04 PM
EPSTEIN’S STRANGE PAINTING (https://order-order.com/2019/08/15/epsteins-strange-painting/)

Quote from: Guido
According to the the New York Post a painting dubbed “Parsing Bill” by a New York-based artist named Petrina Ryan-Kleid hung on the wall of Jeffrey Epstein’s $56 million townhouse. It was of the former president in the famous dress worn by Monica Lewinsky. Until now Guido believed that Epstein did kill himself in jail, given he knew what lay ahead for him. Now however, well, Clinton had motive for this alone… never mind the other rumours…


(https://i.postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg/epstein-clinton.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsh98Tmg)


 eeek:
Clinton in a dress?
Come off it.  noooo:

 drumroll:

happy002

 drumroll:  drumroll:

happy002 happy002
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 17, 2019, 05:13:14 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/ThkSd9zW/Hillary-56-Suicides.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ThkSd9zW)
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 17, 2019, 08:55:52 AM
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Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 29, 2019, 06:01:56 AM
So he was taken off suicide watch, left unmonitored by the prison staff including one person who wasn't qualified to be there, had suspicious broken bones in his neck and now it emerges that the 2 cameras outside his cell were mysteriously not working so there is no footage....


You are right, clearly suicide, nothing suspect at all  rubschin:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras/fbi-studies-two-broken-cameras-outside-cell-where-epstein-died-source-idUKKCN1VI2NA
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Barman on August 29, 2019, 06:55:44 AM
So he was taken off suicide watch, left unmonitored by the prison staff including one person who wasn't qualified to be there, had suspicious broken bones in his neck and now it emerges that the 2 cameras outside his cell were mysteriously not working so there is no footage....


You are right, clearly suicide, nothing suspect at all  rubschin:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras/fbi-studies-two-broken-cameras-outside-cell-where-epstein-died-source-idUKKCN1VI2NA

 noooo:
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Steve on August 29, 2019, 08:08:22 AM
So he was taken off suicide watch, left unmonitored by the prison staff including one person who wasn't qualified to be there, had suspicious broken bones in his neck and now it emerges that the 2 cameras outside his cell were mysteriously not working so there is no footage....


You are right, clearly suicide, nothing suspect at all  rubschin:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras/fbi-studies-two-broken-cameras-outside-cell-where-epstein-died-source-idUKKCN1VI2NA
Not what the article is saying and they like others are just rehashing the Washington Post article of a few days back.  Only one camera had unusable video, the other(s) apparently do have
Title: Re: Criminal negligence or something more sinister?
Post by: Grumpmeister on November 07, 2019, 08:52:19 AM
The latest revelation from Project Veritas indicating a media cover up means things could be about to get interesting...

https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA

Given that Amy Robach has worked at ABC for over 7 years now and has been a news anchor for nearly 5 combined with the potential perceived fallout from the revelations at the time I'm inclined to believe this is genuine.