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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Pastis on August 09, 2011, 09:54:05 PM
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Much has been said and no doubt more will be said accompanied by much hand wringing. ::)
To my mind the Police Force, yes Force not bloody Service have been caught napping. This chap has, for my money put his finger on an essential point.
The police have been made to feel that they are the “white police”, and that they lack legitimacy in “black areas”. This unfortunate attitude began with the report by Lord Scarman on the Brixton riots of 1981. He said: “There is widespread agreement that the composition of our police forces must reflect the make-up of the society they serve.” He found that ethnic minorities were significantly under-represented. Soon after the Macpherson report made a similar observation in 1999, the Government set a recruitment target for ethnic minorities of 8 per cent.
Scarman’s remark that the police should reflect the make-up of society is profoundly wrong. The police have never been representative of the social or ethnic breakdown of society. Police officers are people who have been chosen because they deserve to wear the uniform, not because of their ethnic status. They are individuals who deserve to be part of a profession that upholds the law without favour or affection, malice or ill-will. So long as that remains true, then every officer is entitled to respect, whether black or white, male or female. The legitimacy of the police has nothing to do with the racial composition of the force. It has to do with impartial enforcement of the law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8689004/London-riots-why-did-the-police-lose-control.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8689004/London-riots-why-did-the-police-lose-control.html)
Years ago I recall having an argument regarding the intake to the armed forces; there was a view that the mix of armed forces should reflect society. I said bollocks evil: ; the armed forces were there to protect society not reflect it!
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I like this lady. :thumbsup:
Woman confronts rioters in Hackney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFzGgYQ6hJI#)
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Ah-Ha! Now we know who she is ..... Give her an OBE Dave!
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You do wonder if the police cocked it up on purpose in order to prove we need more, not less of them. rubschin:
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Harriet Harperson vs Michael Gove on rioting and looting (08Aug11) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LpPym_4wc8#ws)
This is good!
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Silly Cow. noooo:
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Silly Cow. noooo:
Sickening isn't it....? cussing:
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I'm amazed that she is still peddling untruths as "facts"
EMA (Educational Maintenance Allowance) has indeed ceased BUT it was only ever payable to school attendees who qualified under rules laid down by Ms Harman's party. To qualify the pupil's family income had to be roughly at "benefits level" (whether benefits were claimed or not), the pupil had to be between 16 and 18 years of age and registered on a course of full time education, of not less that 30 hours per week, leading to A levels. The individual schools wrote the rules. For example to qualify the THW ALSO had to be marked present at every single class she was timetabled to attend. No excuses, not even a doctor's note. One class missed in a week and the £30 was not paid for that week. The school included in the qualifications the wearing of the appropriate uniform at all time and the participation, in the pupil's own time, in "approved" activities. These had to include one voluntary activity in the community. Some kids took the course and then spent two shifts a week manning the phones at "Childline", others (THW included) took the appropriate courses and qualified as assistants at Brownies, Cubs or similar. Some worked as unpaid assistants in care homes. Another, school related activity, was also compulsory, membership of choir, band or debating team counted ... again all practise and performances had to be in the pupil's own time. Only if all these were signed off by the school did the child get the £30 ... which incidentally is only paid during term time.
The Coalition Government has indeed stopped this .... but they have now made attendance on a recognised full time course of education or training compulsory to age 18. Parents in receipt of benefits will now continue to receive those benefits until the child is 18 and not 16 as previously happened. I cannot see how this is in anyway relevant to those who seem to be doing the looting
Tuition Fees Increase: Does not apply to anyone already in University so that rules out any looter/rioter between the age of 18 and 21 who is at Uni now. Nor do the increased fees apply to anyone entering Uni this October ~ they will go in at the fees as set by the last Government (The one Ms Harman belonged to) and, apart from the annual increase for inflation (as set by Ms Harman's Govt) will not pay any more for the duration of their degree course (three or four years). Those going to Uni this year who were in receipt of EMA last year will also be given an Educational Maintenance Grant for the duration. So the THW will have her tuition fees paid (£3500 approx) by the Government but will, as decreed by the last Government (Ms Harman's lot again) have to repay this once qualified and earning. On top she will receive a GRANT (not loan) of £5,500 pa. Although she qualifies for the maximum assistance any family where the household income is below £55K will be able to gain some assistance on a sliding scale dependant on income. Only those on more than £55Kpa will not get something. Again Ms Harman cannot ask us to believe that those looting and rioting are in anyway disadvantaged by the new Tuition Fees structure.
Job Centre Closures: OK so one Job Centre in her constituency is to be closed. There are, if memory serves, several more in that constituency. We used to recruit from them. Job Centres do not work these days, they are costly to operate and staff and they actually have little effect on jobless totals. There is no job shortage in London, Manchester or Birmingham. What there is a shortage of is suitably qualified and willing young people to fit the jobs that are available.
The woman talks nonsense ... as do most Labour MPs and supporters. The facts are set out above ~ Judge for yourselves.
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I'm amazed that she is still peddling untruths as "facts"
EMA (Educational Maintenance Allowance) has indeed ceased BUT it was only ever payable to school attendees who qualified under rules laid down by Ms Harman's party. To qualify the pupil's family income had to be roughly at "benefits level" (whether benefits were claimed or not), the pupil had to be between 16 and 18 years of age and registered on a course of full time education, of not less that 30 hours per week, leading to A levels. The individual schools wrote the rules. For example to qualify the THW ALSO had to be marked present at every single class she was timetabled to attend. No excuses, not even a doctor's note. One class missed in a week and the £30 was not paid for that week. The school included in the qualifications the wearing of the appropriate uniform at all time and the participation, in the pupil's own time, in "approved" activities. These had to include one voluntary activity in the community. Some kids took the course and then spent two shifts a week manning the phones at "Childline", others (THW included) took the appropriate courses and qualified as assistants at Brownies, Cubs or similar. Some worked as unpaid assistants in care homes. Another, school related activity, was also compulsory, membership of choir, band or debating team counted ... again all practise and performances had to be in the pupil's own time. Only if all these were signed off by the school did the child get the £30 ... which incidentally is only paid during term time.
The Coalition Government has indeed stopped this .... but they have now made attendance on a recognised full time course of education or training compulsory to age 18. Parents in receipt of benefits will now continue to receive those benefits until the child is 18 and not 16 as previously happened. I cannot see how this is in anyway relevant to those who seem to be doing the looting
Tuition Fees Increase: Does not apply to anyone already in University so that rules out any looter/rioter between the age of 18 and 21 who is at Uni now. Nor do the increased fees apply to anyone entering Uni this October ~ they will go in at the fees as set by the last Government (The one Ms Harman belonged to) and, apart from the annual increase for inflation (as set by Ms Harman's Govt) will not pay any more for the duration of their degree course (three or four years). Those going to Uni this year who were in receipt of EMA last year will also be given an Educational Maintenance Grant for the duration. So the THW will have her tuition fees paid (£3500 approx) by the Government but will, as decreed by the last Government (Ms Harman's lot again) have to repay this once qualified and earning. On top she will receive a GRANT (not loan) of £5,500 pa. Although she qualifies for the maximum assistance any family where the household income is below £55K will be able to gain some assistance on a sliding scale dependant on income. Only those on more than £55Kpa will not get something. Again Ms Harman cannot ask us to believe that those looting and rioting are in anyway disadvantaged by the new Tuition Fees structure.
Job Centre Closures: OK so one Job Centre in her constituency is to be closed. There are, if memory serves, several more in that constituency. We used to recruit from them. Job Centres do not work these days, they are costly to operate and staff and they actually have little effect on jobless totals. There is no job shortage in London, Manchester or Birmingham. What there is a shortage of is suitably qualified and willing young people to fit the jobs that are available.
The woman talks nonsense ... as do most Labour MPs and supporters. The facts are set out above ~ Judge for yourselves.
Good post...
Sadly none of our MPs ever seem to be bothered with facts.... noooo:
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I like this lady. :thumbsup:
Woman confronts rioters in Hackney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFzGgYQ6hJI#)
I just watched the father of one of the three men killed last night speaking to the media. Video at the top of this page (http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16047325) My heart goes out to him, a brave man, facing the worlds media and speaking from the heart. Sadly, I very much doubt that those he was trying to speak too were listening, so won't heed the message
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My little sis is trying to form a vigilante group and has asked me to come and help. Frankly. I would love to, but I have poorly ribs sad24:
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I am a NAZI apparently, so a tarmac shoveling cretin from the Emerald Isle reckons. eeek:
Why?
Because I suggested that all looters should be given a loud hailer warning and if they carry on they should be shot. So? Shrugs:
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Oh bleddy great ::)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23977184-riot-twins-whos-mother-thought-they-were-at-the-gym.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23977184-riot-twins-whos-mother-thought-they-were-at-the-gym.do)
See comment from Tommo down the page. I know exactly where this is too and if the twins were at this site on a Sunday night then believe you me they were up for the craic. 8)
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Rioters strike in Edinburgh 10th August 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0356brnrE#) scared2:
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Rioters strike in Edinburgh 10th August 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0356brnrE#) scared2:
lol: lol: lol:
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:thumbsup:
happy001
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THE riots in London and elsewhere in Britain are a backhanded tribute to the long-term intellectual torpor, moral cowardice, incompetence and careerist opportunism of the British political and intellectual class.
They have somehow managed not to notice what has long been apparent to anyone who has taken a short walk with his eyes open down any frequented British street : that a considerable proportion of the country's young population (a proportion that is declining) is ugly, aggressive, vicious, badly educated, uncouth and criminally inclined.
Unfortunately, while it is totally lacking in self-respect, it is full of self-esteem: that is to say, it believes itself entitled to a high standard of living, and other things, without any effort on its own part.
Consider for a moment the following: although youth unemployment in Britain is very high, that is to say about 20 per cent of those aged under 25, the country has had to import young foreign labour for a long time, even for unskilled work in the service sector.
The reasons for this seeming paradox are obvious to anyone who knows young Britons as I do.
No sensible employer in a service industry would choose a young Briton if he could have a young Pole; the young Pole is not only likely to have a good work ethic and refined manners, he is likely to be able to add up and -- most humiliating of all -- to speak better English than the Briton, at least if by that we mean the standard variety of the language. He may not be more fluent but his English will be more correct and his accent easier to understand.
This is not an exaggeration. After compulsory education (or perhaps I should say intermittent attendance at school) up to the age of 16 costing $80,000 a head, about one-quarter of British children cannot read with facility or do simple arithmetic. It makes you proud to be a British taxpayer.
I think I can say with a fair degree of certainty, from my experience as a doctor in one of the areas in which a police station has just been burned down, that half of those rioting would reply to the question, "Can you do arithmetic?" by answering, "What is arithmetic?"
British youth leads the Western world in almost all aspects of social pathology, from teenage pregnancy to drug taking, from drunkenness to violent criminality. There is no form of bad behaviour that our version of the welfare state has not sought out and subsidised.
British children are much likelier to have a television in their bedroom than a father living at home. One-third of them never eat a meal at a table with another member of their household -- family is not the word for the social arrangements of the people in the areas from which the rioters mainly come. They are therefore radically unsocialised and deeply egotistical, viewing relations with other human beings in the same way as Lenin: Who whom, who does what to whom. By the time they grow up, they are destined not only for unemployment but unemployability.
For young women in much of Britain , dependence does not mean dependence on the government: that, for them, is independence. Dependence means any kind of reliance on the men who have impregnated them who, of course, regard their own subventions from the state as pocket money, to be supplemented by a little light trafficking. (According to his brother, Mark Duggan, the man whose death at the hands of the probably incompetent police allegedly sparked the riots, "was involved in things", which things being delicately left to the imagination of his interlocutor.)
Relatively poor as the rioting sector of society is, it nevertheless possesses all the electronic equipment necessary for the prosecution of the main business of life; that is to say, entertainment by popular culture. And what a culture British popular culture is!
Perhaps Amy Winehouse was its finest flower and its truest representative in her militant and ideological vulgarity, her stupid taste, her vile personal conduct and preposterous self-pity.
Her sordid life was a long bath in vomitus, literal and metaphorical, for which the exercise of her very minor talent was no excuse or explanation. Yet not a peep of dissent from our intelllectual class was heard after her near canonisation after her death, that class having long had the backbone of a mollusc.
Criminality is scarcely repressed any more in Britain . The last lord chief justice but two thought that burglary was a minor offence, not worthy of imprisonment, and the next chief justice agreed with him.
By the age of 12, an ordinary slum-dweller has learned he has nothing to fear from the law and the only people to fear are those who are stronger or more ruthless than he.
Punishments are derisory; the police are simultaneously bullying but ineffectual and incompetent, increasingly dressed in paraphernalia that makes them look more like the occupiers of Afghanistan than the force imagined by Robert Peel. The people who most fear our police are the innocent.
Of course, none of this reduces the personal responsibility of the rioters. But the riots are a manifestation of a society in full decomposition, of a people with neither leaders nor followers but composed only of egotists.
An Australian mate sent me this.... makes you proud to be British eh....? noooo:
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The fault can be squarely placed upon the shoulders of the Warnock Report of 1978 as subsequently enacted with vigour by various governments which resulted in the decimation of education provision as we knew it.
Lady Warnock, as she now is, virtually recanted (in 2005) all she had recommended.
For those who don't remember just what damage this left wing idiot caused a summary can be found here: http://www.douglassilassolicitors.co.uk/UsefulInformation/SEN-EducationInfo/warnock.html (http://www.douglassilassolicitors.co.uk/UsefulInformation/SEN-EducationInfo/warnock.html)
Further blame must of course go to Lord Scarman for his "findings" in his report on the flawed investigation into the Stephen Lawrence murder.
Anyone looking for reasons need look no further than these two.
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The fault can be squarely placed upon the shoulders of the Warnock Report of 1978 as subsequently enacted with vigour by various governments which resulted in the decimation of education provision as we knew it.
Lady Warnock, as she now is, virtually recanted (in 2005) all she had recommended.
For those who don't remember just what damage this left wing idiot caused a summary can be found here: http://www.douglassilassolicitors.co.uk/UsefulInformation/SEN-EducationInfo/warnock.html (http://www.douglassilassolicitors.co.uk/UsefulInformation/SEN-EducationInfo/warnock.html)
Further blame must of course go to Lord Scarman for his "findings" in his report on the flawed investigation into the Stephen Lawrence murder.
Anyone looking for reasons need look no further than these two.
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Wot he said, sadly. noooo:
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Most excellent :thumbsup:
Find your local rioters looters criminals here:
http://tinyurl.com/3myadvt (http://tinyurl.com/3myadvt)
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Child (U18) M 13 Nottingham Violent disorder
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Child (U18) M 15 Nottingham Violent disorder and arson with intent to endanger life
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Child (U18) M 16 Nottingham Violent disorder and arson with intent to endanger life
Child (U18) M 17 Nottingham Violent disorder and arson with intent to endanger life
Child (U18) M 17 Nottingham Violent disorder and arson with intent to endanger life
Child (U18) M 17 Nottingham Violent disorder and arson with intent to endanger life
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Found this show on youtube having a browse the other day and it gave me an idea. You could easily adapt this for riot control. For starters there is the intimidation factor, if you are a rioter and the police suddenly start pointing bazookas at you then you are going to pause at the very least. Plus if you change the marker dust to a mix of pepper and finely ground powdered Bhut Jolokia chilli it would stop them in their tracks.
Ep.7 pt.1 The Bazooka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArTem9uv7zI#ws)
Ep.7 pt.2 The Bazooka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGiEEglBcEA#ws)
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And:
Foreigners who took part in last week's riots will be deported to send a tough message to troublemakers, the Evening Standard has learned.
Can this also be applied to any foreign diplomatic staff who think they can behave how the feck they want evil:
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Tony, you wouldn't know a moral if it was stood in front of you jabbing you with a cattle prod so you are in no position to comment here!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/20/englands-riots-tony-blair (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/20/englands-riots-tony-blair)