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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Misunderstood on July 21, 2007, 08:34:12 PM
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An al-Qaeda plotter who planned to kill thousands of people in the UK and the US in "dirty bombings" has been badly injured in an attack by fellow prison inmates.
Well I'll be jiggered!
Would you have believed the downright lack of jolly old sportsmanship in our prisons these days?
The poor man is only serving his debt to society and off they go treating him as a terrorist nearly losing their sense of civility altogether It's going to give us a bad name don't you know - especially in the Muslim world.
This will end in tears, mark my words! Us Brits don't do that sort of thing.
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Glad they didn't kill him. Boiling water thrown over him apparently. happy088
Let the bastard scum suffer. evil:
Three cheers for those that dished out the punishment, and may it happen again and again.
There are some decent ones in prison with a bit of civility and care for fellow man after all. All is not lost.
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Glad they didn't kill him. Boiling water thrown over him apparently. happy088
Let the bastard scum suffer. evil:
I don't know about that, but it may add a tier of expectation to the comfy jail sentences for anti-British activities.
And I'm all in favour of that!
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These animals have no respect for life AT ALL. They openly admit that, and they have no qualms or conscience about making thousands suffer horrendous death and injury all in the name of their.... 'beliefs'. ::)
They deserve all they get imo, and may they rot in hell where they belong. evil:
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Now come on Growler, don't sit on the fence. Just say what you really think! whistle:
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Now come on Growler, don't sit on the fence. Just say what you really think! whistle:
Look. I've got my beliefs, but it doesn't involve making innocent thousands suffer....
.... rubschin: one or two, a little bit maybe.
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Now come on Growler, don't sit on the fence. Just say what you really think! whistle:
Look. I've got my beliefs, but it doesn't involve making innocent thousands suffer....
.... rubschin: one or two, a little bit maybe.
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Total agreement with Growler on this.
Strange isn't it that the general prison population has a moral code all of its own ~ rather like infant and primary school kids. They also have a very strong sense of right and wrong that has little relationship to anything they are taught or we "grown-ups" would expect.
I often marvel at the ethics displayed by my younger children and wish they could hang onto them forever but of course it all goes out of the window when they hit secondary education and other influences take over.
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They also have a very strong sense of right and wrong that has little relationship to anything they are taught
Which Angela Cannings and Sally Clarke will confirm.
Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong. Anyone believing otherwise needs moral guidance. Prison staff owe a duty of care to their charges, clearly those involved in these incidents have failed in that duty.
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And now the guy will get compensation no doubt evil:
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They also have a very strong sense of right and wrong that has little relationship to anything they are taught
Which Angela Cannings and Sally Clarke will confirm.
Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong. Anyone believing otherwise needs moral guidance. Prison staff owe a duty of care to their charges, clearly those involved in these incidents have failed in that duty.
I wondered how long it would take. ::)
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Prison Officers are human too i.e.they have the same flaws and the same sympathies as the rest of us. There is no way that they can protect any one person from attack if the majority of inmates decide otherwise. The system only works by dint of a mutual tolerance twixt guards and guarded. If the inmates decide not to follow the rules then there is little or nothing that can be done by the prison authorities to stop them as has been proved time and time again.
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They also have a very strong sense of right and wrong that has little relationship to anything they are taught
Which Angela Cannings and Sally Clarke will confirm.
Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong. Anyone believing otherwise needs moral guidance. Prison staff owe a duty of care to their charges, clearly those involved in these incidents have failed in that duty.
I wondered how long it would take. ::)
I'd have taken money on it mate. ;)
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Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong.
I agree with you in part ? it doesn?t seem very civilised to let a mob sort out a prisoner who has been tried, convicted and sentenced by his peers?
?yet all too often ?justice? seems unfairly lenient and I for one am all for certain classes of criminals receiving ?additional? punishment at the hands of their colleagues.
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Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong.
I agree with you in part ? it doesn?t seem very civilised to let a mob sort out a prisoner who has been tried, convicted and sentenced by his peers?
?yet all too often ?justice? seems unfairly lenient and I for one am all for certain classes of criminals receiving ?additional? punishment at the hands of their colleagues.
It certainly isn't civilised but short of permanent solitary confinement (which is expensive and not in the best interest of any prisoner's mental health) what is the alternative?
It's easy to complain about the system that allows this to happen but not so easy to offer a workable solution. Other than hang the b@st@rds of course ... which would be cheaper and easier all round IMO .... but then that isn't civilised either or so we are told.
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
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Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong.
I agree with you in part ? it doesn?t seem very civilised to let a mob sort out a prisoner who has been tried, convicted and sentenced by his peers?
?yet all too often ?justice? seems unfairly lenient and I for one am all for certain classes of criminals receiving ?additional? punishment at the hands of their colleagues.
It certainly isn't civilised but short of permanent solitary confinement (which is expensive and not in the best interest of any prisoner's mental health) what is the alternative?
It's easy to complain about the system that allows this to happen but not so easy to offer a workable solution. Other than hang the b@st@rds of course ... which would be cheaper and easier all round IMO .... but then that isn't civilised either or so we are told.
Indeed? not doing the crime in the first place being a cast-iron guarantee that you won?t be unfairly abused in this way! happy088
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
What about child killers like Mesdames Clarke and Cannings Growler, did they deserve what they got?
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Suddenly two weeks on a different continent seems like a really good idea!
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
What about child killers like Mesdames Clarke and Cannings Growler, did they deserve what they got?
Didn?t she drink herself to death?
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
What about child killers like Mesdames Clarke and Cannings Growler, did they deserve what they got?
They were both cleared on appeal.
It may be your opinion that they were, as you say, child killers but the highest courts have decided otherwise.
Can we please make that clear?
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Sally Clark apparently did have a drinking problem. She may have committed suicide. What is certain is that she was wrongfully imprisoned on the discredited word of a Home Office expert for the murder of her children, and while in prison suffered humiliation and abuse at the hands of fellow inmates.
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Sally Clark apparently did have a drinking problem. She may have committed suicide. What is certain is that she was wrongfully imprisoned on the discredited word of a Home Office expert for the murder of her children, and while in prison suffered humiliation and abuse at the hands of fellow inmates.
Allegedly both ladies suffered at the hands of fellow prisoners led, no doubt, by the strange moral code previously referred to, that applies in prisons ... we all accept that and would wish it different but what do you offer as a solution?
IMO there is no point in saying something is wrong unless you have a viable alternative to offer. Saying it is wrong is one thing ... replacing the system with a better one is another matter all together.
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Sally Clark apparently did have a drinking problem. She may have committed suicide. What is certain is that she was wrongfully imprisoned on the discredited word of a Home Office expert for the murder of her children, and while in prison suffered humiliation and abuse at the hands of fellow inmates.
It?s appalling that people are still wrongfully convicted in this day and age. I?m all for investing whatever resources are required to ensure that those who are sent to prison are guilty as charged?
I have little but contempt for the criminal classes though and won?t lose sleep over their conditions of incarceration.
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It?s appalling that people are still wrongfully convicted in this day and age. I?m all for investing whatever resources are required to ensure that those who are sent to prison are guilty as charged?
I have little but contempt for the criminal classes though and won?t lose sleep over their conditions of incarceration.
Aye ~ problem is the perfect system doesn't exist. Never has and probably never will.
Every era had felt it had the best idea to deal with the criminal classes and every following generation has found it "barbaric" and tried to change it but it gets no better really.
All we can do is vote for whoever offers the best alternatives but ........... Frankly I don't see anyone, even on the horizon, who has any better ideas.
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Allowing prisoners to extract retibution on other prisoners, whatever they have done, is wrong.
I agree with you in part ? it doesn?t seem very civilised to let a mob sort out a prisoner who has been tried, convicted and sentenced by his peers?
?yet all too often ?justice? seems unfairly lenient and I for one am all for certain classes of criminals receiving ?additional? punishment at the hands of their colleagues.
The 'problem' of undue leniency keeps rearing its head in high profile case but the judges are also under extreme pressure to give light sentences in line with government diktats. The real problem is IMHO the executive involves itself in the judiciary far too much to serve proper justice.
Maybe we have reached the point where juries should have the power not only to convict but also to impose or at least recommend sentence because it is they that have decided the level of guilt and accountability.
Angela Cannings et al were not so much victims of their fellow prisoners as victims of the flawed justice that allowed them to go to prison in the first place. Whenever a person goes to prison for something they did not do then clearly the law had proved something that had not happened. In the light of so many successful appeals these days, I am not convinced that people are really getting a fair legal trial, rather I strongly suspect the fiddling hands of the politicians muddying the waters and - even - perverting justice.
Thirty years ago I would never have dreamed of accusing the government of such practice. But then I was very naive in the way people handle their power.
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
What about child killers like Mesdames Clarke and Cannings Growler, did they deserve what they got?
Well in that case, we may as well say that all those convicted of a crime are deemed to be innocent until they openly admit to it. ::)
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
What about child killers like Mesdames Clarke and Cannings Growler, did they deserve what they got?
Angela Cannings was cleared of all charges after it was proven that Sir Roy Meadows was making up his figures at the expense of innocent parents.
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THIS catergory and child molestors deserve all they get imo. END OF! evil:
What about child killers like Mesdames Clarke and Cannings Growler, did they deserve what they got?
Angela Cannings was cleared of all charges after it was proven that Sir Roy Meadows was making up his figures at the expense of innocent parents.
Justice would have been served in my view had Sir Roy Meadows been sentenced to replace her in the same jail as she was punished by her cell-mates.
The fact that he so outrageously concocted the 'evidence' against her proves beyond doubt to me that he was twice the criminal as the person he was arranged against.
But then again, was he really a despicable liar and fraud? Or was he just a weak and vain man that had his stings pulled by forces that wanted convictions at any price.
Either way, I shudder at the prospect of facing British justice these days. After a lifetime of confidence in the integrity of the system, I am now usually horrified by it.
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Judging from the amount of effort he spent defending his position and a total lack of an apology I'd say he was little more than a despicable liar.
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Judging from the amount of effort he spent defending his position and a total lack of an apology I'd say he was little more than a despicable liar.
Agreed, he was a despicable liar and a fraud ? a man with no conscience or feelings for his ?victims?? cussing:
I wonder how many more there are getting away with it every day? noooo:
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If there was any real justice he would serve the sentences of his victims consecutively whilst being sued for everything he has by them.
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Question is: What makes an "expert witness"
Answer Some sort of qualifications in almost any subject, a couple of published papers and then sign yourself up with a "register" such as http://www.jspubs.com/
Oh and the money you can claim for your "expert" opinion is considerable.
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Question is: What makes an "expert witness"
Answer Some sort of qualifications in almost any subject, a couple of published papers and then sign yourself up with a "register" such as http://www.jspubs.com/
Oh and the money you can claim for your "expert" opinion is considerable.
Whoopee! I thought I'm up for that...... cloud9:
shocked003 Then I discovered that what they really wanted was ?166 of mine! noooo:
Ho Hum... sleep017
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Question is: What makes an "expert witness"
Answer Some sort of qualifications in almost any subject, a couple of published papers and then sign yourself up with a "register" such as http://www.jspubs.com/
Oh and the money you can claim for your "expert" opinion is considerable.
Whoopee! I thought I'm up for that...... cloud9:
shocked003 Then I discovered that what they really wanted was £166 of mine! noooo:
Ho Hum... sleep017
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