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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: GROWLER on July 06, 2007, 04:03:28 PM
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Just heard something on the radio (NOT nicked before some wise knob cracks that one ::) )about the government are handing out 14 million quid to secondary schools to enable then to include 'lessons in manners' onto the curricullum.
Is it just me, or is this smacking just a smidge of a classic example of closing the barn doors after the 'orse has bolted?
This Nulabour shite trying to make out that they are doing something positive to make society a better place for us all to live?
THIS as I have said privately for many years should have been included in school lessons many many years ago, from primary school upwards, NOT just secondary, as it should be at home. ::)
What pray, is the point of having loads of qualifications if you can't conduct yourself in a decent and proper manner, and showing respect towards others?
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Agreed, wholeheartedly.
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No argument from me.
Wallop the little sods until they learn to say please and thank you ~ just for starters.
Out of four grandchildren only one ever writes a thank you for gifts sent at Birthdays and Christmas ~ though I grant she now texts or phones but she is almost 14 so that is understandable. The other three have never said thank you for anything. Even when they have been at the house and been asked if they would like something like a coke or lemonade all they do is say "Yeah" .... Never once have I heard any of them say please or thank you. It saddens me that they are all the children of my eldest son and three years ago I informed them by letter to expect no more from me until they learned to say please and thank you. I have not heard from any of them since but then I haven't heard from my son for many years either. shrugs:
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No argument from me.
Wallop the little sods until they learn to say please and thank you ~ just for starters.
Out of four grandchildren only one ever writes a thank you for gifts sent at Birthdays and Christmas ~ though I grant she now texts or phones but she is almost 14 so that is understandable. The other three have never said thank you for anything. Even when they have been at the house and been asked if they would like something like a coke or lemonade all they do is say "Yeah" .... Never once have I heard any of them say please or thank you. It saddens me that they are all the children of my eldest son and three years ago I informed them by letter to expect no more from me until they learned to say please and thank you. I have not heard from any of them since but then I haven't heard from my son for many years either. shrugs:
THAT is SO SHIT for you Snoops.
WHY FFS? eeek:
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I blame his mother thatsit:
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What pray, is the point of having loads of qualifications if you can't conduct yourself in a decent and proper manner, and showing respect towards others?
Just re-read this and thought to meself ...like...that reminds me of a familiar designation in todays industries.
MANAGEMENT! evil:
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I blame his mother thatsit:
Ex missus? ::)
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I blame his mother thatsit:
Ex missus? ::)
Yup! char062 One scary lady
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Snoopy - that's appalling, Angry9: not just the childrens behaviour but your sons too (sorry I don't mean to offend but that is my honest opinion)
My sisters children are a little similar in description HOWEVER when they are in our home they know manners are expected and if not displayed they don't get..........Sometimes, if I am honest again, it does add a little frizzion between my sister and I but am not doing it because I'm a nasty old biddy (have a few more years to grow into that role I trust) but because I really do care about my nieces and nephews and EVERYBODY learns from the examples they are set - that's what the role of parenting is (or used to be anyway) about after all for goodness sake - it ain't rocket science!
If I had a suggestion to offer you it would be to perhaps send them a family copy of The Water-Babies (Charles Kingsley) circ 1863. It's a book that I truly remember from my young(er) years and the main character Mrsdoasyuwouldbedoneby (no sniggering there pleaseeeeee) gives wonderful examples of why 'manners maketh man'. If you don't know of the book, the following, perhaps a little pretentious review of this classic,is something that might pique your interest:
The Rev. Charles Kingsley (1819-1875), social reformer, novelist, history professor, and muscular Christian, was also a naturalist who corresponded with Charles Darwin over the new theory of evolution. His fairy tale The Water-Babies (1863) combines many of these enthusiasms in a tale of how a little chimney-sweep goes backward in evolution when he is wicked, and forwards when he does as he would be done by.
Atcually now I've remembered how fab this book was and how much I really loved it (even when I was a little tot myself) I'm going to track a copy (Ebay or smilar here I come) and put in store in readiness to read to my own grandchildren when they duly appear sometime in the probable next 5/10 years razz:-
Chin up Snoopy... happy100
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Thanks for the kind words. I'm over the hurt now and frankly have convinced myself that I'll not be bothered if I never see any of them again. I have a "new family" (maybe that's the problem) who are polite, pleasant and for me a pleasure to be with. The others have chosen the path they wish to follow and whilst I would not say my door is locked it has been now firmly closed and they'd need to knock pretty loudly to get back through it now.
Life is too short and I have moved on.
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Snoopy - that's appalling, Angry9: not just the childrens behaviour but your sons too (sorry I don't mean to offend but that is my honest opinion)
My sisters children are a little similar in description HOWEVER when they are in our home they know manners are expected and if not displayed they don't get..........Sometimes, if I am honest again, it does add a little frizzion between my sister and I but am not doing it because I'm a nasty old biddy (have a few more years to grow into that role I trust) but because I really do care about my nieces and nephews and EVERYBODY learns from the examples they are set - that's what the role of parenting is (or used to be anyway) about after all for goodness sake - it ain't rocket science!
If I had a suggestion to offer you it would be to perhaps send them a family copy of The Water-Babies (Charles Kingsley) circ 1863. It's a book that I truly remember from my young(er) years and the main character Mrsdoasyuwouldbedoneby (no sniggering there pleaseeeeee) gives wonderful examples of why 'manners maketh man'. If you don't know of the book, the following, perhaps a little pretentious review of this classic,is something that might pique your interest:
The Rev. Charles Kingsley (1819-1875), social reformer, novelist, history professor, and muscular Christian, was also a naturalist who corresponded with Charles Darwin over the new theory of evolution. His fairy tale The Water-Babies (1863) combines many of these enthusiasms in a tale of how a little chimney-sweep goes backward in evolution when he is wicked, and forwards when he does as he would be done by.
Atcually now I've remembered how fab this book was and how much I really loved it (even when I was a little tot myself) I'm going to track a copy (Ebay or smilar here I come) and put in store in readiness to read to my own grandchildren when they duly appear sometime in the probable next 5/10 years razz:-
Chin up Snoopy... happy100
A formidable bar lady Auntie type person!! And quite right too.
I agree that manners should be learnt but to be honest my 2 (11 and 13) are very well mannered even if I do say so myself having had the importance of maners beaten into them since birth. It's up to the parents and this kind of attitude has to be taught at home. The problem with school 'lessons' is that it seems theoretical and distant from 'real life'. It also won't help if the little cherub after having his lessons on table manners goes home to find his slobby parents sitting in front of the telly with their fast food dinners swearing and spitting food everywhere!
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By secondary school it's too late. Having seen the behaviour of the kids at Mr Wench's school fair a few weeks ago I was horrified. And having since heard tales of parents evening it is all too clear where the blame lies. evil:
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By secondary school it's too late. Having seen the behaviour of the kids at Mr Wench's school fair a few weeks ago I was horrified. And having since heard tales of parents evening it is all too clear where the blame lies. evil:
Who messed up the parents though? (or Grandparents)
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By secondary school it's too late.
So how come these grossly overpaid tit heads that WE elected don't seem to see it that way?
It's too late now imo.
Bad manners and all the inherent crap that surrounds it has been bred into the population.
Acceptable behaviour to the minority...a minority of about 10 million and rapidly growing. evil:
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Who knows?
Although at Mr Wench's school it is the admin staff that cause the most problems. Police were called last week as one of them attacked the six foot built like a brick shit house caretaker! eeek:
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Who knows?
Although at Mr Wench's school it is the admin staff that cause the most problems. Police were called last week as one of them attacked the six foot built like a brick shit house caretaker! eeek:
You WHAT?
School staff attacking school staff? eeek:
If I've read that correctly, we ARE doomed. surrender:
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Who knows?
Although at Mr Wench's school it is the admin staff that cause the most problems. Police were called last week as one of them attacked the six foot built like a brick shit house caretaker! eeek:
You WHAT?
Staff attacking staff? eeek:
Yep! The same woman launched a fax machine at a different member of staff a few years ago. eeek:
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By secondary school it's too late.
So how come these grossly overpaid tit heads that WE elected don't seem to see it that way?
It's too late now imo.
Bad manners and all the inherent crap that surrounds it has been bred into the population.
Acceptable behaviour to the minority...a minority of about 10 million and rapidly growing. evil:
I agree, but still wonder where it started to go wrong?
Was it after WW2, when all the 'nanny state' things like NHS and social security got up to speed and removed responsibility from parents?
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Who knows?
Although at Mr Wench's school it is the admin staff that cause the most problems. Police were called last week as one of them attacked the six foot built like a brick shit house caretaker! eeek:
You WHAT?
Staff attacking staff? eeek:
Yep! The same woman launched a fax machine at a different member of staff a few years ago. eeek:
Well WHY in gods name is she still employed at the school? eeek:
Fine bloody example to the kids THAT is ey....NOT. evil:
I give up. This country...well it's residents at least, as mentioned elsewhere, IS TOTAL SHITE. evil:
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Who knows?
Although at Mr Wench's school it is the admin staff that cause the most problems. Police were called last week as one of them attacked the six foot built like a brick shit house caretaker! eeek:
You WHAT?
Staff attacking staff? eeek:
Yep! The same woman launched a fax machine at a different member of staff a few years ago. eeek:
Well WHY in gods name is she still employed at the school? eeek:
Fine bloody example to the kids THAT is ey....NOT. evil:
I give up. This country...well it's residents at least, as mentioned elsewhere, IS TOTAL SHITE. evil:
It's a very good question. One that has often been asked. This time a parent was a witness and the police were called so hopefully she is on her way out.
Mr Wench gets beaten enough at home without worrying it might happen at work too!
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By secondary school it's too late.
So how come these grossly overpaid tit heads that WE elected don't seem to see it that way?
It's too late now imo.
Bad manners and all the inherent crap that surrounds it has been bred into the population.
Acceptable behaviour to the minority...a minority of about 10 million and rapidly growing. evil:
I agree, but still wonder where it started to go wrong?
Was it after WW2, when all the 'nanny state' things like NHS and social security got up to speed and removed responsibility from parents?
Yes. That and many other things like removing corporal punishment from schools. I'm a very firm believer in that particular subject.
We are now living amongst an out of control population where you can do just as you please, unless you are a decent law abiding citizen.
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A minority, but as stated a couple of posts ago...a LARGE and growing rapidly minority...of kids, think it quite normal and acceptable to spit and hurl abuse at you, destroy your property, steal, vandalise and show below zero respect to those that are TRYING to keep turn them into decent adults.
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Who knows?
Although at Mr Wench's school it is the admin staff that cause the most problems. Police were called last week as one of them attacked the six foot built like a brick shit house caretaker! eeek:
You WHAT?
Staff attacking staff? eeek:
Yep! The same woman launched a fax machine at a different member of staff a few years ago. eeek:
Well WHY in gods name is she still employed at the school? eeek:
Fine bloody example to the kids THAT is ey....NOT. evil:
I give up. This country...well it's residents at least, as mentioned elsewhere, IS TOTAL SHITE. evil:
It could just be me being overly cynical but at a guess I'd say she is sleeping with the Head.
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That is one of the theories. ;)
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WEll I can only come up with that, she has blackmailled him with something or has threatend to castrate him if he fires her. eeek:
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
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Surely, if she was sleeping with him, it would be he who had stuff on her would it not - or are you referring to blackmail. Information that could be damaging, such as what he has been caught doing behind the bike sheds with the girls from 4a?
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It depends, if the head is already married/seeing someone and Miss Mental happens to be a bit on the side then she has something on him and 'sack me and I'll tell her exactly what we have been up to' would be pretty effective.
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Something like that yes.
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So in plain language this barmey bint knows where the negatives are and is likely to use them. ::)
Moral of the story "Never poke the payroll"
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Yep.
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
What, like Monica Lewinsky?
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
What, like Monica Lewinsky?
Err ~ Not quite ..... As I recall it was He who had "stuff" on Monica. lol:
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
What, like Monica Lewinsky?
Err ~ Not quite ..... As I recall it was He who had "stuff" on Monica. lol:
Oh yes, it is all coming back now. ;)
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
What, like Monica Lewinsky?
Err ~ Not quite ..... As I recall it was He who had "stuff" on Monica. lol:
Oh yes, it is all coming back now. ;)
I think that was when Bill realised she didn't inhale either.
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
What, like Monica Lewinsky?
Err ~ Not quite ..... As I recall it was He who had "stuff" on Monica. lol:
Unless you are talking about his cigars...
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We suspect she has stuff on him.
What, like Monica Lewinsky?
Err ~ Not quite ..... As I recall it was He who had "stuff" on Monica. lol:
Unless you are talking about his cigars...
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