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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Barman on April 22, 2009, 04:45:08 AM
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All the meeja has been speculating on what will be in it... the gov have leaked the positive bits and you can pretty much guarantee what the negative bits will be... ::)
A nice summary by leg-iron...
Tomorrow, Socialist Equality (http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3554751/budget-2009-what-the-papers-say.thtml) will make us all a little poorer. The Chancer is bound to put up the price of tobacco and booze. They always do. Petrol, too, so better get out and fill up if you fancy driving around anywhere.
He's going to offer those with nine-year-old and older cars a fistful of rapidly-depreciating money to scrap the banger and buy a shiny new one. The trouble is, two grand doesn't buy much of a new car and if you drive an ancient rustbucket, chances are you don't have the rest of the money available to make up the difference. If you did, you wouldn't be driving a nine-year-old car. So this is worthless.
He's going to announce help for those with massive mortgages who have lost their jobs. Good idea, but in order to qualify, you have to have a regular income. So if you've lost your job you don't qualify. So this is worthless.
Wads of cash will be used to insulate homes. Council homes only, naturally. Can't have any of us filthy non-dependent people saving on our bills. The reasoning is simple. Many of those in council homes don't pay their electricity and gas bills. So the chancer is saving his money, not ours. Well, it was ours, now it's 'tax' and he wants to make savings. He doesn't want the rest of us making savings because if we use less gas and electricity, we pay less tax on it. He wants more tax from us but he wants his army of dependents to stop spending it. So this is worthless.
Oh, and he's going to build loads more little hutches to store his dependent pets in. Using magic money he'll pull from his hat with a cheery 'Ta-daa'. Well he has to store his horde of imported voters somewhere.
Got a pension? Not any more. He's raiding those again. Saving up for retirement will be pointless within 24 hours.
Good news? There isn't any. Except that this will, hopefully, be the last Labour budget we'll see for a very long time.
I wonder what he'll do when the last taxpayer has chucked in work and marched into the Jobbie Centre to demand their share? Perhaps he'll tax MP's expenses, which the Gorgon intends to sneakily increase by clamping down on them.
He'll have to. Nobody else has any left.
happ096
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If you can stomach it, watch this video.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3553301/smile-smile-smile.thtml
cussing:
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He's going to announce help for those with massive mortgages who have lost their jobs. Good idea, but in order to qualify, you have to have a regular income. So if you've lost your job you don't qualify. So this is worthless.
I have a feeling that this may be an unpopular view but if you were stupid enough to take out a mortgage without payment protection then why the hell should taxpayers money be used to bail you out?
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Not unpopular with me. evil:
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Clearly Grumpmeister you do not understand how "Mortgage Payment Protection" cover works. It is subject to more enquiries and compaints about insurance mis-selling than any other form of insurance known to man.
In short it is one big con.cussing:
Anyone doubt this? Then wait until you are out of work and try making a claim and watch them wriggle out of giving you a penny after all you have paid in.
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Gordo is having a really bad day, everyone can smell blood in the water and Darling looks like he's gone through a bottle of prozac before turning up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8010759.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8010759.stm)
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Scrappage cloud9:
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Do I understand scrappage correctly. If I want to get a £2000 discount on a new car all I have to do is buy a cheap second hand old banger for a few quid and then cash it in? rubschin:
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Do I understand scrappage correctly. If I want to get a £2000 discount on a new car all I have to do is buy a cheap second hand old banger for a few quid and then cash it in? rubschin:
If you haven't got one already you are prolly too late now! point:
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Hats off to 'Call me Dave', an excellent response IMHO! happ096
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Do I understand scrappage correctly. If I want to get a £2000 discount on a new car all I have to do is buy a cheap second hand old banger for a few quid and then cash it in? rubschin:
You'll have to have it registered and taxed in your own name for 12 months before you qualify.
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Hats off to 'Call me Dave', an excellent response IMHO! happ096
Wot he said!
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Do I understand scrappage correctly. If I want to get a £2000 discount on a new car all I have to do is buy a cheap second hand old banger for a few quid and then cash it in? rubschin:
You'll have to have it registered and taxed in your own name for 12 months before you qualify.
I don't drive anyway but given the total incompetence of this shower it seemed to be highly probable they'd have cocked it up.
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Do I understand scrappage correctly. If I want to get a £2000 discount on a new car all I have to do is buy a cheap second hand old banger for a few quid and then cash it in? rubschin:
You'll have to have it registered and taxed in your own name for 12 months before you qualify.
I don't drive anyway but given the total incompetence of this shower it seemed to be highly probable they'd have cocked it up.
The bastard hasn't actually read out the small print, i.e., terms and conditions apply, but I have heard this is going to be the case. So no point in rushing out to purchase a banger, as by the time you've owned it for 12 months, the scheme scam will have ended.
The whole thing's a no brainer anyway, as most that have got a 10+ yr old banger have got it because they can't afford a £12k + new one anyway.
No doubt some 'labour supporting sheepies' will see this differently however, and go and rush off to get themsaelves in more debt
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Fuel up 2p AGAIN in September. cussing:
Fags/baccy up 2%
Ale up 2%
All the things that most of us cherish to numb and anethetise our brains for even a short period of time against this shower of thieving toliet bacterial scum, have gone up...AGAIN. Angry9:
I have a baseball bat waiting for the first political shitester that dares to visit my doorstep next year.
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Why does booze go up t midnight but fags at 6pm...? rubschin:
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Worth reading again....
Today everyone can see what an utter mess this Labour Government and this Labour Prime Minister have made of the British economy.
The fastest rise in unemployment in our history.
The worst recession since World War Two.
And the worst peacetime public finances ever known.
As of today, any claim they have ever made to economic competence is dead. Over. Finished.
This Chancellor has just told us he will be doubling the national debt.
He’s planning to borrow £348 billion over the next two years.
That’s more - over just those two years - than every previous Government put together.
Not just every Government since World War Two, or even since World War One, but every Government since the Bank of England was first founded, more than 300 years ago.
This Prime Minister has certainly got himself into the history books.
He’s written a whole chapter in red ink: ‘Labour’s Decade of Debt’.
The Chancellor rattled through those figures for borrowing.
So let me read them slowly.
The Government is set to borrow £175 billion this year, followed by £173 billion then £140 billion then £118 billion.
That means that over a four-year period Britain will now be borrowing £606 billion.
They talk about child poverty.
With debt like that, our children are going to be in poverty for decades.
It is a staggering amount. And the price will be paid not by the incompetent ministers who got us into this mess – but by families and businesses up and down the country.
And they will never forgive the people that have done this.
Britain simply cannot afford another five years of Labour.
And even these figures are massaged.
If you look at page 204 of the Red Book they are assuming that consumer demand is going to bounce back to pre-boom levels by 2011.
That’s what’s they are forecasting.
That’s why they forecast debt coming down as quickly as they do.
This wouldn’t be a u-shaped recovery. It would be a trampoline recovery.
And what is the Chancellor’s excuse for these dreadful borrowing figures?
He’s just told us it’s a world recession.
Of course other countries are suffering.
But there is not one other major country in the world in a position as bad as the United Kingdom.
There is not one country with a bigger budget deficit in any major economy.
Why is that the case?
Because they didn’t fix the roof when the sun was shining.
And it’s no good his pretending that these international factors were some sort of surprise.
He knew there was a world recession when he made those utterly useless forecasts in the November Pre-Budget Report last year.
We now know what he told us was a complete work of fiction.
Just take one figure – the growth forecast which he told us was going to be -1 per cent.
He’s had to downgrade to -31/2 per cent – one of the biggest downgrades in the history of forecasting.
These figures are so bad that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have had to do a spectacular u-turn.
For years they lectured us that coming off the Government’s spending programmes means swingeing cuts.
Minister after minister has stood at that dispatch box and said that any attempt to come off the Government’s rate of growth of spending means you are being savage or inhuman.
And now they are doing it themselves.
That’s right. They’ve just announced over £10 billion of cuts over two years.
For years this was the Prime Minister’s great dividing line.
Now he’s suddenly on the wrong side of his own dividing line.
After today, no-one will ever believe a word they say about spending cuts ever again.
But Mr Deputy Speaker, this Budget still doesn’t do enough to get the public finances under control.
In two words it is completely inadequate.
Instead of putting up taxes in 2011, why doesn’t he get to grips with spending now and next year?
Look at the consequences of failing to deal with spending.
Look at the tax rises he’s announced today.
Of course they claim it’s just the rich that are going to pay.
And by the way they’ve just broken a manifesto promise not to put up the top rate of tax – but people expect that from this lot anyway.
Look at the other taxes.
Look at the tax on beer. That’s going to hit every drinker in every pub.
Look at the tax on petrol. They’re reintroducing the fuel duty escalator.
That is going to hit everyone who has to drive to work.
These people aren’t rich. These people have to work hard and they are going to pay the price for Labour’s failings.
These aren’t taxes for the few, they are taxes for the many - introduced by this Labour Prime Minister.
What stands out most about today’s Budget is how every single argument and every single prediction they told us about has turned out to be wrong.
They told us the recession would be less severe than the 1990s.
I’ve lost count of the times the Prime Minister has told me that over that dispatch box.
Well perhaps he’d like to look at p. 200 of the Red Book which says the current downturn is forecast to be much deeper than that of the early 1990s. Condemned by his own Red Book.
This is worse than the 1970s, 1980s or 1990s.
This isn’t just Boom and Bust.
It’s the worst Boom and Bust ever.
Then they told us – in that November Budget Report - that the recession would be over by the end of June.
The Chancellor actually said in November that growth would start early as a direct result of the cut in VAT.
So by the Government’s own criteria, the VAT cut has failed.
The money was wasted and our debt is higher as a result.
And what about the last big argument, the one the Prime Minister tried to get off the ground before the G20?
Britain, we were told, was heading for another great fiscal stimulus.
Well, where is it?
Have we missed something?
This isn’t a fiscal stimulus here. There’s a couple of extra billion added to what it already announced – less than the cut in next year’s capital budget.
This isn’t a stimulus. It’s a delayed tax rise and a delayed spending cut.
He couldn’t do a proper stimulus because he’s run out of money.
The Prime Minister is the only person in Britain who doesn’t realise how ridiculous he looks – wandering around the world, telling Governments everywhere else to open up their chequebooks and start spending, when the Governor of the Bank of England has taken his chequebook and torn it up in public.
Of course we need schemes that will really help the unemployed and British business large and small.
We’ve been calling for a proper credit guarantee scheme for six months.
But before we get carried away with the schemes announced today, we’re entitled to ask: what happened to the ones announced last year?
The internship scheme. Not working. The asset backed security scheme. Not working. But incidentally reannounced today.
HomeBuy Direct. He told us about that today. It was given another £80 million. What a treat for HomeBuy Direct. Only one problem. We asked some Parliamentary Questions and found out by 25 March not a single sale had been made through the existing scheme.
The homeowners mortgage support scheme. Peter Mandelson was meant to be in charge of that one. He knows a thing or two about getting a good mortgage. You’d think he might have succeeded.
It was the centre piece of the Queens Speech last year – and now, four months later they’ve just announced it all over again.
And still not one single homeowner has received one single penny under this scheme.
What a disgrace. What a callous farce.
The Chancellor told us about his scrappage scheme.
So let me get this right.
You take something that’s 10 years old, completely clapped out, pumps out hot air, pollutes its surroundings, and is absolutely ripe for the knackers yard.
What a brilliant idea!
And where does this leave the Prime Minister’s big argument, the one he based his whole Premiership on, that he would always be prudent with the nation’s finances?
Barely a year ago, he described a deficit of 8 per cent as being “completely out of control”.
So what would he do to describe a deficit today of 11.9 per cent?
This is more than Denis Healey borrowed when he was forced to go to the IMF.
Let me turn to the IMF – as well he might have to.
I’d love to read out a list of countries the IMF say are heading for a larger deficit than Britain next year.
I can’t. There aren’t any.
Russia. South Africa. Turkey. Argentina.
They are all heading for deficits half the size of ours.
Is it any wonder then that Ministers chose this time to announce they wanted to remove the “stigma” from countries going to the IMF?
One minister actually said this: the IMF should be seen as something to celebrate – and I’m not making this up - “a bit… like getting wellbeing care or… going to a spa to recuperate”
What planet are these people on?
When are they going to realise they can’t spin their way out of this one?
This Budget was a missed opportunity.
We need to move from an economy of borrow and spend to an economy of save and invest.
They talked about the disregard.
But why not proper help in the tax system for people who save?
Where was the plan to regulate the banks and regulate credit properly?
Isn’t it time to end the tripartite system and restore the Bank of England to its proper place of regulating debt in the economy?
He scrapped his fiscal rules and scrapped his spending plans, but put absolutely nothing in their place.
That’s why we need spending restraint now, and an Office of Budget Responsibility for the future.
I have to say to the Chancellor and the Prime Minister: no-one will believe the Government is going to sort the public finances out when the Prime Minister says they are only going to make a serious start in 2011.
We all saw what they are doing today. A few clever political taxes on the rich before the election, but save up anything in terms of real tax increases for 2011.
Look what we’ve got between now and then.
Another Queen’s Speech. Another Pre-Budget Report. Another Budget.
The Prime Minister sits in his bunker talking of all the brave things he is going to do in 2011.
Isn’t there anyone left to tell him he’s got to hold an election between now and then?
They don’t get it.
They can’t see what is actually wrong.
He will never bring in the changes required because he doesn’t accept the economic model he’s run for 12 years – based on government debt, consumer debt and housing debt - is fundamentally bust.
This Prime Minister can never be the future, because he doesn’t understand what went wrong in the past.
Mr Deputy Speaker, the fundamental truth is that all Labour Governments run out of money.
The last Labour government gave us the Winter of Discontent.
This Labour Government has given us the Decade of Debt.
The last Labour Government left the dead unburied.
This one leaves the debts unpaid.
They sit there, running out of money, running out of moral authority, running out of time.
You have to ask what on earth is the point of another 14 months of this Government of the living dead?
If they don’t have the courage to deal with the debt and take the difficult decisions, why not make way for the team that can?”
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Guess he wasn't impressed lol:
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Guess he wasn't impressed lol:
I think not... noooo:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS37nnFYzZ0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbastardoldholborn%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS37nnFYzZ0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbastardoldholborn%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded)
razz:
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How come the newspapers calculate a 2% increase in beer prices as 1p per pint?
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How come the newspapers calculate a 2% increase in beer prices as 1p per pint?
They are all fuckwits...?
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Well the Youngs is £2.00 a pint today, was £2.75.
Guess that it will go up to £2.80 or worse.
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How come the newspapers calculate a 2% increase in beer prices as 1p per pint?
It's a 2% increase on the duty on alcohol - which is roughly 1p per pint.
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The brewing association people are quoting a 4 to 6p a pint increase.
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http://thecrownblogspot.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-labours-2009-budget-video.html
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The brewing association people are quoting a 4 to 6p a pint increase.
The Brewers always take an increase in duty as an opportunity to up the prices as well ~ that way they get to blame the budget....... It's been happening for years. Certainly it was going on when I had a pub in 89/90/91. You also have to remember that the duty is on the basic beer when brewed. Increase that and you automatically increase the pump price by more because that is when the VAT is applied. Yes just like petrol and car purchases you pay VAT on the duty.
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The brewing association people are quoting a 4 to 6p a pint increase.
The Brewers always take an increase in duty as an opportunity to up the prices as well ~ that way they get to blame the budget....... It's been happening for years. Certainly it was going on when I had a pub in 89/90/91. You also have to remember that the duty is on the basic beer when brewed. Increase that and you automatically increase the pump price by more because that is when the VAT is applied. Yes just like petrol and car purchases you pay VAT on the duty.
Young's had already put their prices up by about 7p per pint in February - this is the "Brewery Increase". They bung the budget on the subsequent price increase.
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All brewers are grasping bastards ~ but we can't do without them.