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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Barman on November 28, 2008, 07:55:32 AM
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A senior Conservative MP has reacted angrily to his arrest by police investigating the alleged leaking of Home Office information.
Damian Green denied any wrongdoing and said: "I was astonished to have spent more than nine hours today under arrest for doing my job."
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7753763.stm)
I'm not sure how to react to this... On one hand it sounds so terribly wrong and the conservatives are righjt top be upset about it...
On the other hand with all the news of people being stopped for taking pictures in a public place, having their bin too full, etc. we should not be surprised...
After all, it seems a long time ago that the police would concentrate on catching and prosecuting real criminals... people that attacked their fellow citizens or stole their property, broke into their houses, intimidated them on the streets, etc.
Far better to send a whole load of officers on a safe job like this than patrolling the streets - he should think himself lucky that they haven't all got Tazers yet...
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We seem to have been beating our keyboards at about the same time. I posted much the same under my David Blunkett thread.
Should we merge the two?
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Great brains, etc. ;D
Merge if you like or leave it... whatever... Shrugs:
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Great brains, etc. ;D
Merge if you like or leave it... whatever... Shrugs:
Leave it then ~ confuse the readership like eveilgrin:
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Great brains, etc. ;D
Merge if you like or leave it... whatever... Shrugs:
Leave it then ~ confuse the readership like eveilgrin:
Indeed... eveilgrin:
It is an amazing thing tho - what is the country coming to? noooo:
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It proves many things ~ That the Met believe themselves to be above the rules (but that is nothing new)
That Nu Labour tells lies
That the Magistrate who signed the search warrants (there were at least 4 warrants) knows to which party he owes his/her job. The whole point about a search warrant is that the Magistrate or Judge who signs it has to be satisfied that the police "have just cause to believe that a crime has been or may be about to be committed"
That Boris warned the Acting Police Commissioner before the raids were carried out.
All this manpower, using anti terrorist officers, when there is a major terrorist incident in India and every possibility that Asians in the UK might take the opportunity for some action of their own. It simply beggars belief.
Police are always banging on about "Making best use of limited resources" and "Prioritisation".
If this is an example God Help Us.
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Thisis very serious.Police arrest an MP. Not for fraud, cash for honours, embezzlement or lying, oh no, for asking awkward questions. ANd Brown and SMith claim to have known nothing about it. Pull the other one.
There is a lot of shit to be excavated around this one. The SUnday papers should be interesting
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Smith's fat fingers are all over this. Even teh Speaker knew before the raids, so how could the Home Sec not know?She prolly started it. And this bastard govt leaks stuff all the time (VAT reductions over last weekend for example).
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That about sums it up ~ but why can't more people see this?
Seemingly normal, intelligent people who I meet are still saying "Gordon is the man to solve the country's problems" Are they all fvcking stupid? ~ Gordon is the cause not the cure. cussing:
And before you ask ~ the people I speak to are not all Welsh.
One very angry Scot who live opposite would gladly kill the b@st@rd but everyone else around here (a strongish Tory area) seems beguiled by the twat.
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Bastards! cussing:
I'm looking forward to coming back in a couple of weeks... noooo:
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http://www.talkcarswell.com/show.aspx?id=270 (http://www.talkcarswell.com/show.aspx?id=270)
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Interesting ~ I doubt that Speaker Martin can issue search warrants but he is certainly the only man who can grant permission to anyone, including the police, to violate an MP's office within the Houses of Parliament.
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Some fun going on here!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2008/11/parallels_of_greens_arrest.html#commentsanchor (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2008/11/parallels_of_greens_arrest.html#commentsanchor)
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It seems that Nick Robinson has upset more than a few.
Personally I can't stand the odious little twerp.
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It seems that Nick Robinson has upset more than a few.
Personally I can't stand the odious little twerp.
Seconded... you have to wonder which of the elected few writes it for him... noooo:
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I was so cross I called Damien Green's office. She said they have had hundreds of calls of support
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I was so cross I called Damien Green's office. She said they have had hundreds of calls of support
Did you offer to let him join your stupid barmaid game...? rubschin:
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Robinson only got the job because his dancing was worse than John Sargeant's
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Ahem.This is the Commons BM
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Ahem.This is the Commons BM
redface:
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PM had 'no knowledge' of arrest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7756013.stm
Whether Brown knew in advance or not doesn't matter. Nulabour have created the conditions that allowed this to happen. He is the man in charge ~ the buck cannot be passed any higher. If he didn't know, as he claims, then he bloody well should have done. That alone would, in better and more honourable days, have been enough to make him resign.
I'd put money on the fact that Mandy knew.
"Oh Gordon, this Damian character ~ I think I have an answer that may also solve a few other problems, it may get a bit messy tho'"
"Mandy ma wee sassenach friend, I dinnae want to know ~ fix it with Gorbals Mick, that way naebody will be able to tie me into it and you cannae be made to answer questions 'cos you have your cloak of ermine to wrap yourself in when the sh*t hits the fan"
"Consider it done then Gordon"
Shades of "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest"
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Leg-Iron has a good take on the statement...
So let's have a look at the phrasing he uses.
"I had no prior knowledge, the Home Secretary had no prior knowledge, I know of no other minister who had any prior knowledge," Brown told Sky News television.
"This is a matter for the police, they are carrying out an investigation. I hope that everybody can feel able to uphold both the independence of the police and the statement that no minister was involved."
Make no mistake. The Righteous choose their words very carefully.
'I had no prior knowledge'. Prior to what? He does not specifically say he knew nothing until after the event. Prior to the point where he knew about it, he did not know about it, but that point is not specified here. The same applies to his next line.
'...the Home Secretary had no prior knowledge...' Police arrested an MP, using anti-terrorist laws, and raided an office in the Houses of Parliament without letting the Home Secretary know about it? Disciplinary proceedings must surely follow. Bet they don't.
He knows of no other minister who had prior knowledge... maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. There's no way to prove it, either way.
The last line is well phrased. Take another look.
"I hope that everybody can feel able to uphold both the independence of the police and the statement that no minister was involved."
Leaving aside that the police have now been interfered with to the point where they can hardly claim to be independent, look again at what we are asked to uphold. Not that 'no minister was involved'. We are asked to uphold the statement that no minister was involved. He has spoken, therefore that is truth. We must agree. Winston Smith's history books cannot be denied.
Saucy Boy (http://leg-iron.livejournal.com/)
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Shades of "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest"
My very thought.
The police lost their independence years ago. They now bend to will of the government and do what they're told. But like Henry's knights they don't need to be specifically ordered any more.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7r8QPTavweI
whistle:
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Many a true word spoken in jest. angry041:
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http://www.order-order.com/2008/11/brown-confesses-to-procuring-misconduct.html (http://www.order-order.com/2008/11/brown-confesses-to-procuring-misconduct.html)
And did anyone else see Jaqui Klebb prevaricating on Marr this morning.Astonishing
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Someone has to tell these people the facts of life:
(i) The Government does not RULE, it governs and only then with the consent of the people.
(ii) The Monarch RULES through the government and can still dissolve Parliament if she so desires OR if enough of her people ask her to. The Prime Minister (First Lord of the Treasury to give him his proper title) is appointed by the Queen and can equally be got rid of by her. Conventionally this is not done but it could be.
(iii) The Police can only police with the consent of the people. Their oath is to the Monarch whose laws they swear to uphold ~ Their Warrant Cards are issued in the name of the Monarch NOT the Government
(iv) The Armed forces are also sworn to protect and obey the Monarch, her heirs and successors and to obey those granted authority over them by means of the Queen's Commission. The armed forces are not there to do the Government's bidding ~ they do it only with the consent of the Monarch.
My suggestion to Mr Brown & Co is that they take heed of the above and don't push the people of this country too far because once our consent is withdrawn they are in very deep trouble.
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I think this could be the start...
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I bloody hope so. I see David Davies MP is saying that he hopes they do try to prosecute Damian Green as that, he reckons, will bring the Government down ~ once Green has subpoenaed the whole cabinet from PM downwards
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I bloody hope so. I see David Davies MP is saying that he hopes they do try to prosecute Damian Green as that, he reckons, will bring the Government down ~ once Green has subpoenaed the whole cabinet from PM downwards
Yay!
Perhaps this was set up to get immunity for MPs tho.... Mandy would love that... noooo:
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Let me be clear - I don't care about Damian Green. I've never met him. He's a politician and as I've often said, I doubt the Tories will be any different from Labour. In fact, watching them all yell and scream in Righteous fury about something that's been happening to ordinary people for years is faintly amusing. Or it would be, if it wasn't for the fact that if your correspondence with your MP isn't safe within the walls of Westminster, it isn't safe anywhere. And if an MP can be treated like this, what of the rest of us? Does Cameron realise that the attitudes he let pass unchallenged have just come home to roost - and that we've all had to deal with them for years?
Oh, I've read the Righteous justifications like 'well, what about the cash-for-honours scandal'? Whose Westminster office was raided during that? Nobody's because the Speaker (Betty Boothroyd) and the Sergeant-at-Arms didn't allow it. 'Well, what about...' And so on.
In none of those cases was correspondence between a constituent and an MP taken from the MP's office, to be pored over by 'anti-terrorist' police. It's not just about the Speaker and the Serjeant-at-Arms not knowing their jobs. It's not just about Damian Green. It's about the trust between the public and their elected representatives, and by extension the trust between the public and Parliament. Already threadbare, it has now worn through.
Who now dares complain to their MP about the actions of the police, or the crazed behaviour of many councillors? That MP might also be subjected to such a raid. Can't happen? It just did. The route to conversation with those in power has just closed for the public.
And make no mistake, the public realise this. I'm not talking about the Internet. I'm not talking about rantings on backwater blogs like this one. Even the big-readership blogs like Guido, Devil's Kitchen, Iain Dale, Old Holborn and many others, who might have half-a-million or so visitors every week, are scratching the surface.
I don't know the figures for how many UK homes have the Internet but I bet it's high. Broadband is almost standard with a phone line now. Sky Television, a feature of most of the homes referred to as 'underclass' (although there's another layer below them even the Righteous have forgotten), include broadband for a couple more quid a month. Computers are cheaper than washing machines and even games consoles and mobile phones have internet access. Simple, basic laptops are on sale in supermarkets for less than £150, with wireless networking capability built in.
And yet, few of those online will read the news, fewer read blogs, fewer still read political blogs and fewer than that will care about what they read. Most of them are online for games and free porn. The Righteous know this. It's just another entertainment channel for the proles. Another circus to keep them happy while their world is dismantled around them. Spreading information via the Net is only a first step. Each recipient should be a connection to the outside world - but that hasn't been happening. The rage stops at the screen. The Righteous know this too.
Outside the blogs there are a mass of people who don't care about politics. They vote, if they vote at all, the same way they always did. As their parents did. They don't think about it, they mark X in the same box every time. Because they don't care? No, because they don't realise what voting means.
When they read that those who use prostitutes are to be named and shamed, they don't care. They either don't use prostitutes or make no secret of it anyway. It'll hit a few businessmen - so what? When they read about people fined for overfilling bins, they don't care. They'll just go out at 3 am and put the bags in someone else's bin. Or fling them down the railway embankment. When they hear that the age for buying booze and cigarettes is to rise, they don't care. The underage were getting them illegally before, they'll continue to get them illegally no matter what the age limit. They don't care. Guns now illegal? Don't care. The one they have hidden was already illegal. No difference.
These are people to whom Labour's 3000 or so new laws have made no difference. They really don't care. That's what the Righteous have always failed to realise - that all those laws mean nothing to those who already ignore the existing ones, and who know their way around the system so well they could baffle a top barrister. These new laws serve only to criminalise and alienate the law-abiding middle-class they are used on. Council estates? Pah. There are estates even the police don't dare enter. Can you imagine a council officer turning up to tell someone off for putting their bin out too early? I wouldn't put too much money on him getting out in one piece.
But this new thing, this assault on Parliament, is different. These people ignore the law, but they have morals. They aren't all thieves and vagabonds. They aren't all greasy toothless thugs who fight like dogs over scraps. Most of all, the biggest thing that the Righteous have always ignored, is that they are not all stupid. And they are far from lacking in a sense of tradition and patriotism. Those estates are dangerous places for those who don't live there but within them, there aren't nightly riots. They are policed by the biggest and the hardest and there is a sort-of order. Stay in line, and you'll be okay. Know who you can insult and who you can't. It's pretty damn fascist in there. They are not pleasant places to visit, and they are suspicious of visitors. Oh, and the big hard men don't run the place. There's a smart few, who you won't hear about because they're never in trouble, who tell the big hard men what to do.
To them, being British (English, Welsh, Scottish, whatever) is everything. Everything. They don't know much of British history and they ignore most British laws except when it suits them, but that blind patriotism is unbreakable. The Righteous have tried but that one aspect will not move. The more the Righteous try to force their divisive will on these people, the harder they stick together. And the more suspicious of strangers they become. Some of those places are getting like the walled cities of the Middle Ages, little tribal enclaves where everyone knows everyone and a stranger is identified in seconds. And if they don't like the stranger, well...
The Righteous deal with this by pretending it's not happening. There is no disquiet in the community. Everything is fine. A raid on Parliament is just normal police procedure.
Well, not to those blind patriots it's not. This is something new. This is something that hits the core of their Britishness, the only thing most of them have any pride in. They despise politicians and the police, but the Houses of Parliament are a symbol. And that symbol has just been violated. In Scotland, there's less concern over Westminster, but just suggest that it could equally well happen in Holyrood and watch the attitude change.
The Righteous, complacent in their power, ignore all this. Proper procedures were followed. Go away and bother someone else with your silly fantasies. It is a matter for the police.
The immigrants the Righteous have collected are watching this too. Even more closely than the indigenous. Another thing the Righteous overlook is the reason many of the immigrants are here. Many have fled regimes where rigged ballots, police beating up people in the street and opposition MP's being arrested happen all the time. They don't happen all the time here - but they didn't always happen all the time in those regimes either. Many of those who fled such regimes recall how they started and (whether rightly or wrongly) see those same steps being taken once more. As the Palestinian who runs the local pizza shop (it's what the sign says, but he'll make anything from fish-and-chips to steak Diane if someone wants it) said - 'It gets more like home every day'. And he wasn't smiling when he said it.
The Righteous see nothing. They laugh off such concerns. Which is another thing those immigrants have seen before.
There has been an undercurrent of fury building up in this country for a long time. Invading a building the 'underclass' see as sacrosanct, laughing off the concerns of those who have experienced the result of such steps, is a very big mistake to make.
If the situation is not resolved soon, and satisfactorily, I believe things could turn nasty. The Righteous are the only ones who won't see it coming.
Unfortunately, they're the only ones who can sort it out now.
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I think this could be the start...
Harman is spinning a different line.Then it turns out she was once arrested for leaking stuff!!
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I suspect that if you were able to dig far enouogh you would find that most of the elder cabinet members were leaking documents at one point or another in their careers.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Gordo did it every chance he had when he was in the opposition.
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Like last weekend when they leaked the VAT cut?
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But why is leaking illegal? Surely it is public information and as such it being leaked or not is really irreleveant.
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It'sonly illegal if it embarrasses the "Government"
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The charge they are trying to pin on him is that he was grooming a member of the government to leak him the information. Normal whistleblowing/leaks mean that someone just hands you the information as opposed to rewarding someone for doing so.
Mind you, I wonder if any former whistleblowers 'acquired' peerages? rubschin:
Nick is right however, this hypocritical bunch of tossers would only call it illegal if it was an embarrassment to them.
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The leaker was a civil servant, not a member of the Government. The "grooming" charge is pure Mandelson. I have e mailed my useless MP for coonfirmation that my communications to him will remain confidential. He has yet to reply.
Remember Clive Ponting?
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Depends on what is leaked and to whom.
Civil Servants do have a duty of confidentiality as well as the Official Secrets Act to consider but then there is the matter of conscience and of course the public good.
Nulabour and in particular Gordon Brown made their names using leaks from Civil Servants ~ whilst some leakers may have been found and punished by the Civil Service (and that is a risk they accept) no MPs were arrested, nor were MPs offices and homes searched. The Wilson Doctrine applies ~ and Blair/Brown confirmed that "protection" for MPs.
As others have said Mandleson's prints are all over this. Brown is very good at saying one thing and interpreting it to suit himself later whilst using the likes of Mandy, Ed Balls and Charlie Wheelan to do the dirty work.
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And Jacqui Klebb weaseled through that Marr interview yeaterday.Pressure is building
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The leaker was a civil servant, not a member of the Government. The "grooming" charge is pure Mandelson. I have e mailed my useless MP for coonfirmation that my communications to him will remain confidential. He has yet to reply.
Remember Clive Ponting?
The BBC weren't exactly clear about who the whistleblower was when they covered the story earlier this morning. redface:
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26 year old civil servant. He is being "held at a safe location" by the Home Office I gather
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Belmarsh? Wormwood Scrubs? Tower of London?
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The 26-year-old civil servant was detained at his home in Middlesex at 6am on November 19. The assistant private secretary, who has been suspended from his job, is being looked after by the Home Office at a secret location because it owes him a “duty of care”, officials said.
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The 26-year-old civil servant was detained at his home in Middlesex at 6am on November 19. The assistant private secretary, who has been suspended from his job, is being looked after by the Home Office at a secret location because it owes him a “duty of care”, officials said.
And I refer you to my previous answers. Duty of care my arse, they dont want him leaking any more embarrasing information. I bet that their family is being 'looked after' as well.
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His name is Christopher Galley who lived in Feltham according to the Mail on Sunday. whistle:
They (MoS) go on to tell us that his parents live in East Rainton "The posh end of Hetton".
Mother, Elizabeth, is aged 55 and Father, Alan, is 56. He has a brother called Phillip aged 23. The family "have no comment to make at this time"
His earnings are estimated to be about £25,000. His flat is valued at £166,000 and he stood in 2004 as a Tory candidate for election as a local councillor (Sunderland) but failed in his bid.
The MoS fail to provide his inside leg measurement.
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Wednesday may be interesting!
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Wednesday may be interesting!
No... it'll be the same old staged shite... noooo:
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Let's not forget that he is accused of 'grooming' a term normally used for paedophiles
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Hardly applicable as the "groomee" is 26 years old.
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Hardly applicable as the "groomee" is 26 years old.
Or possibly was 26 years old... (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsick002.gif&hash=1aadf330a6822d0bba32319ef54bfdab13278de6) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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Nah ~ he was live on TV News last night ~ with his solicitor like.
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Nah ~ he was live on TV News last night ~ with his solicitor like.
I didn't see that... redface:
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Wednesday may be interesting!
No... it'll be the same old staged shite... noooo:
I'm not so sure now. It looks like Cameron and Clegg are going to try to force a debate on this debacle and get Martin booted out unless he can give a statement explaing the situation to their satisfaction. Given the number of MP's who are angry about this it has a good chance of being carried.
David Cameron and Nick Clegg plan to meet to discuss plans to secure a Commons debate on the row over Damian Green's arrest, the BBC understands.
The Commons Speaker is to make a statement at 1430 GMT on Wednesday about the way police were able to search Mr Green's parliamentary office.
Many MPs are angry that he allowed police officers to enter Parliament.
The BBC's Norman Smith said several Tory MPs were considering trying to force Michael Martin's resignation.
Parliamentary tactics
He said they were looking at securing enough signatures on an early day motion expressing no confidence in the Speaker.
But he added that he understood they would not take any action until they had heard his statement - which will precede the debate on the government's legislative programme outlined in the Queen's Speech.
The BBC understands Mr Cameron may meet his Lib Dem counterpart Mr Clegg to "discuss tactics" ahead of Wednesday's statement as they seek to secure a debate on the issue.
Many MPs have expressed misgivings about how police were allowed to enter Parliament to search Mr Green's office, arguing that the Speaker should have stopped them.
Mr Green was arrested on Thursday and held for nine hours on suspicion of conspiring to commit misconduct in public office in relation to an inquiry into leaks from the Home Office.
Former shadow home secretary David Davis said MPs were "bubbling with indignation about what is going on and will want to debate it".
Some MPs had considered a protest during Wednesday's Queen's Speech but have ruled this out because they fear it would be seen as a protest against the monarchy.
As the row continues, the Tories say they were excluded from a meeting between ministers and parliamentary officials about the statement on Tuesday.
'Stitch-up'
Mr Cameron warned of a possible "stitch-up" after receiving an e-mail about the meeting, which was expected to involve Commons leader Harriet Harman and Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.
He said all parties should have been present at the talks which the Tories suggested would see Mr Green's arrest and the police search of his Westminster office discussed.
The Conservatives say the e-mail - mistakenly sent to one of the party's officials - showed ministers were seeking to "stitch up" a story about the background to the police action before the statement.
But Labour insist the meeting was about parliamentary procedure not the statement's content and it is understood that several of those reportedly invited, including the home secretary and Cabinet Secretary Gus O'Donnell, did not attend.
A spokesman for Ms Harman said Tuesday's meeting was "about issues relating to government business".
He added that the contents of the Speaker's statement were "entirely a matter for the Speaker".
'Bad blood'
However, BBC political correspondent Reeta Chakrabarti said: "Harriet Harman details in the e-mail several principles she sees as vital, including that MPs must be able to do their work and that they are not above the law; matters that would appear to be central to the issues the speaker must discuss."
Ms Harman has previously said she is "very concerned" by Mr Green's arrest and understands MPs' anger at the way police officers raided his parliamentary and constituency bases.
She has suggested protection for MPs' offices must be reviewed in light of the episode.
Lib Dem MP Nick Harvey, a member of the Commons Commission which runs the House, said he had not been consulted on whether the police should be allowed to carry out a search on the premises.
"I do not think any other members were either," he added.
But he said he believed the Speaker would have taken legal and other advice before making a decision.
The home secretary has defended the police's operational independence and insisted that she was not informed about Mr Green's arrest in advance.
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Just watching the Speaker's statement. No warrant. "I was not asked.." "I was not told..." "Not me, guv..."
"I regret...." "Only told yesterday..." "From now on..." (jeering)
He's stuffed!
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Stuffed you say? Someone said he would be toast!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/default.stm)
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He should go and go this week. It is a disgrace.
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Seconded...
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His statement was jeered!! That alone should be enough to make him resign. It's extraordinary. Jacqui Jackboot was conspicuous by her silence
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His statement was jeered!! That alone should be enough to make him resign. It's extraordinary. Jacqui Jackboot was conspicuous by her silence
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Jacqui is making a commons statement tomorrow.....
Should be interesting to wach the reaction.... eveilgrin:
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Paxman is on form tonight I don't think I've seen Harridan squirm this much in ages.
Good man!
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Paxman is on form tonight I don't think I've seen Harridan squirm this much in ages.
Good man!
So she doesn't have confidence then...? rubschin:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fz1f7 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fz1f7)
Blimey eeek:
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Paxman is on form tonight I don't think I've seen Harridan squirm this much in ages.
Good man!
So she doesn't have confidence then...? rubschin:
The BBC are loving it, the news this morning categorically stating how she doesnt have confidence in him and then rolling the footage of her interview.
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Any one with any honour would go now. FFS even Prince Phillip is now taking the p*ss out of them in public.
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Any one with any honour would go now. FFS even Prince Phillip is now taking the p*ss out of them in public.
That counts out just about all of them then... noooo:
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I wondier if this could be what ends up triggering a vote of no confidence in the government?
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He get paid £139000 a year plus free lavish accommodation plus expenses. Maybe that is why he is not keen to resign rubschin:
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Outgoing Prime Ministers, Speakers and Lord Chancellors are paid an annuity equal to half their salary — currently between £64,000 and £94,000 — regardless of how long they have served. The money, which comes directly from the public purse, is justified on the ground that it helps to “protect the dignity of the ‘Three Great Offices of State’ and that is on top of his pension as an MP to which he will also be entitled for life.
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to "protect the dignity of the ‘Three Great Offices of State’"
And if they didn't do that when they were in office?
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Hang them by their heels from the nearest lamppost ~ worked for the Italians.
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Just a thought but do you have to be an MP to be the speaker of the house? If not them I may consider sending my CV in. It may take them a while to get used to a slightly different style though:
"Would the right honorable gentleman stop talking bollocks and sit down"
would become a well used phrase.
To he honest cabinet, ministerial and jobs like the speaker of the house should not be given to MP's anyway because it detracts from the role they were elected for which is to represent the interests of their constituents.
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http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=5227.0 (http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=5227.0) whistle:
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Just a thought but do you have to be an MP to be the speaker of the house? If not them I may consider sending my CV in. It may take them a while to get used to a slightly different style though:
"Would the right honorable gentleman stop talking bollocks and sit down"
would become a well used phrase.
To he honest cabinet, ministerial and jobs like the speaker of the house should not be given to MP's anyway because it detracts from the role they were elected for which is to represent the interests of their constituents.
Yes you do have to be an MP to become Speaker. MPs vote for the Speaker they want. By tradition a Labour Govt would normally have a Tory MP as Speaker and a Tory Govt would have a Labour MP. The Speaker is, by tradition, supposed to be unbiased but Tony Blair changed all that when Betty Boothroyd retired and Blair pushed for Gorbals Mick to get the job, using his huge Labour majority to get his own way. That really was the start of the rot.
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Bugger, there goes my plan for starting to bring sanity back to the system. Banghead
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And now it seems that this morning the story is changing. Gorbal's promise of a "speedy and immediate" inquiry cannot happen it seems as it will not be set up until after the police enquiries are finished and any ensuing court actions have taken their course (including any appeals)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7764093.stm
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Meanwhile watching the live debate Jackboot Jacqui is taking a bashing, Jack Straw in the Wind is smirking and the Labour benches are damn nearly empty. Seems she doesn't have much support.
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Somehow that doesnt surprise me, although I'd have to wonder now just what the Labour MP's have to hide that would mean they didnt want an 'independant' police force able to arrest and search their property.
Something I did notice was that the communications database was dropped from the Queens speech. I guess Gordo and co didnt want to appear to have a totalitarian Big Brother mentality who would erode the rights of the individual.
Too late was the cry.
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Meanwhile watching the live debate Jackboot Jacqui is taking a bashing, Jack Straw in the Wind is smirking and the Labour benches are damn nearly empty. Seems she doesn't have much support.
GOOD!
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Meanwhile watching the live debate Jackboot Jacqui is taking a bashing, Jack Straw in the Wind is smirking and the Labour benches are damn nearly empty. Seems she doesn't have much support.
GOOD!
I confess my first thought was that the Labour MPs were probably all queueing at the shredding machine
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Gorgon has given the speaker his full backing... that's him finished then! point:
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Gorgon has given the speaker his full backing... that's him finished then! point:
Before TMR says it (where is he btw?) Bloody porridge wogs always stick together.
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That was my first thought too, but "full confidence"? 48 hours?
Last time Gordo said that it was about Hain, I think
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http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/ (http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/)
eveilgrin:
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Hang on
The prime minister has said he has a "great deal of confidence" in House of Commons Speaker Michael Martin.
Mr Martin has been criticised for not stopping the Commons office of Tory MP Damian Green being searched as part of a Home Office leaks inquiry.
Gordon Brown told the BBC the Speaker had a "very difficult job" and was doing it "to the best of his ability".
Whoopsy!
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Hang on
The prime minister has said he has a "great deal of confidence" in House of Commons Speaker Michael Martin.
Mr Martin has been criticised for not stopping the Commons office of Tory MP Damian Green being searched as part of a Home Office leaks inquiry.
Gordon Brown told the BBC the Speaker had a "very difficult job" and was doing it "to the best of his ability".
Whoopsy!
"to the best of his ability" Seems to me the only word missing is "limited" right in there between his and ability
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You are forgetting Snoop, to someone of Gordons miniscule ability Micheal Martin probably seems like an expert at what he does.
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Someone once said the truth is a sliding scale, a very slippery one at that...
As Harriet Harman slithered on the thin ice of dissemblance, cracks in her conviction were palpable. Blinking furiously, she appeared as someone who would rather plunge into freezing waters of ridicule than succumb to truth.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffrandall/3551530/Telling-the-truth-is-lambasted-in-politically-correct-Britain.html