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Come Inside... => The Snug => Topic started by: Nick on September 18, 2008, 08:51:52 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7621608.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7621608.stm)
Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.
To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible only from the ceiling.
I heard this on the radio and thought it was a joke. If I did ever have an "out of body experience" and wound up watcing myself being temporarily dead I f ind it hard to imagine that I would be also looking round the room for interesting pictures. Bt maybe I am not normal.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7621608.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7621608.stm)
Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.
The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.
To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible only from the ceiling.
I heard this on the radio and thought it was a joke. If I did ever have an "out of body experience" and wound up watcing myself being temporarily dead I f ind it hard to imagine that I would be also looking round the room for interesting pictures. Bt maybe I am not normal.
Would be interesting to hear the results though ~ at least it might prove things one way or another, but probably it will just lead to a lot of different questions.
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I had an weird 'dream' when I was taken ill and ended up at death's doorstep.
I felt that went 'somewhere' - a huge (infinite?) place that had a grid-like feel to it. While I was there I seemed to know what life (and death) was all about. It was an odd feeling but calming. Then I seemed to get a choice of staying or going back. I chose to leave.
The doctor's told me that at the time I was given a 20% chance of surviving through the night.
It was very 'real' and the sense of knowing was unbelievably strong.
I put it down to the cocktail of drugs they were pumping in me.
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You were in Terminal 5 and I claim my £5
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If so it was a premonition as it happened in 1990.
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Premonitions also happen!
I had a floating about he ceiling thingy once, but it was only at the dentists redface:
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Bt maybe I am not normal.
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Leaving the obvious comment aside. Of course people are going to have these experiences, they are ingrained into our psyche having been told about them for years now. All it takes is the effects of the anaesthetic, or pain relief medication to loosen your grasp on reality and it doesnt take much for the memory to become a dream or a hallucination.
I have a hunch that in some cases during surgery this happens because the patient has been given enough anaesthetic to let them reach a state where their subconscious can have a direct effect on them but they are still awake and this is a defense mechanism that protects them from the horrific reality that they are still away when they are being cut into.
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eeek:
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Double plus eeek:
But you're probably right.
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So it's drugs then. Must ask my BiL. Devout Catholic and Consultant Anaesthetist
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The time I had surgery under anaesthetic I remember absolutely nothing after being asked to count to waking up in ITU.
That's nothing, nil, zilch, nada, no sense of time passing at all.
Did I exist for that period of time?
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Do you exist when you are asleep?
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Not sure about that.
What about the Star Trek transporter thingie. If you're disassembled and then reassembled somewhere else where did your consciousness go during the trip?
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TYt44fvt3Hk&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TYt44fvt3Hk&feature=related)
bom
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Blank screen?
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I am not responsible for your technical problems
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I am not responsible for your technical problems
I could watch it... but it was shite... noooo:
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He mentioned Star Trek, not me.It was a serious thread, like, till then
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All it takes is the effects of the anaesthetic, or pain relief medication to loosen your grasp on reality
Trust me lad, it takes a lot less than that.
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It still is a seriuos thread. I was using the Star Trek example as a thought experiment.
rubschin:
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Nurse, the screens
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It still is a seriuos thread. I was using the Star Trek example as a thought experiment.
rubschin:
Strangely, I sensed you were doing that. scared2:
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Anyway, If you're unconscious, be it asleep, knocked out or under anaesthetic are you said to exist? If not then you're technically dead even though your body still functions.
So, the Uncle Mort who went under knife ceased to exist when his conscious stopped and a new Uncle Mort came into existence when the anaesthetic wore off but with the memories of the old Uncle Mort.
Is that right?
Sleep, those little slices of death; Oh how I loathe them.
Edgar Allan Poe
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The closest I have come to death was on a street in Paris where I suffered a Cardiac Arrest. Paramedics used a defibrillator 5 times to bring me back. Was I dead? ~ They say not because there was no brain death (although there are those who would disagree about my brain).
I remember feeling faint and then an intense pain in my shin as I fell onto a traditional Parisienne boot scraper in someone's doorway. After that a soft and very pleasant sleep until I came round (About ten or firteen minutes had passed) and I thought that I was being smothered. I fought to push off the oxygen mask and the paramedic holding it.
There were no choirs of angels, no bright lights at the end of a tunnel, nothing except an all enveloping blackness.
According to the French Doctors at the hospital I ended up in the administration of oxygen within three minutes had saved my brain but to all intents and purposes I had died.
The paramedics tried heart massage first and broke two ribs in the process.
This all happened, as I am sure I have told you before, a few weeks after an bypass op so the heart massage also split the wound down my chest that was still healing causing some bleeding and the Defib shocks boiled the spilled blood causing some painful scarring as well.
My hope is that death, when it comes, will be as painless as the last time ~ it was being saved that hurt.
Now, of course, I have an implanted defib and that has "saved" me three times in ten years when my heart has stopped. Not everyone can have one of these but the more defibs there are around and the more people who know how to use them the less people would die from Cardiac Arrest. Treatment in those first few minutes are vital. Without the French Firebrigade Paramedics I would not be here to bore you all with my tale.
The ribs and the shin took longer to mend than the heart.
Don't know if this adds to the debate or not but that is my experience of "near death"
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Ok, try this one. A couple of nights before my Mum died, just after Christmas, she was slipping in and out of consciousness. She awoke with a start and told us that her oldest friend had died. My sister and I told her no, you were dreaming, look she's sent you a Christmas card (which indeed she had). Anyway, come the day she died I was trying to make arrangements and received a call from an old friend to say that his Mum had died, my Mum's oldest friend.
She'd died the night that Mum had told us she had... a shiver down the spine, all around. We just don't know shrugs:
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Anyway, If you're unconscious, be it asleep, knocked out or under anaesthetic are you said to exist? If not then you're technically dead even though your body still functions.
Yes you do still exist, even if you are not consciously aware and able to interect with your surroundings your mind is still active. You only truely cease to exist when you are brain dead (having said that whenever I look at the cabinet I wonder if that definition needs to be updated).
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I suppose officially you are still alive 'til they stop taxing you...? rubschin:
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I am not responsible for your technical problems
Well that's a line I never throught I'd hear from Nick. point:
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Ever heard of Inheritance Tax BM? There'll be a coffin tax soon
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Being alive is one thing ......feeling alive is completely another cry:
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Being alive is one thing ......feeling alive is completely another cry:
Oh poor you - tell us about it luvvie... happy100
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Just very very very very very fed up noooo:
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Just very very very very very fed up noooo:
Go on...
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I have the prospect of going to a wedding tomorrow of someone I have known for over 20 years. She has an inoperable brain tumour and suffice it to say this wedding has been arranged in less than 2 weeks so that says it all really.
Just dreading it really.
Work is shite
Blokes are shite
Children are selfish shites
Make mine a large one barman:
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I have the prospect of going to a wedding tomorrow of someone I have known for over 20 years. She has an inoperable brain tumour and suffice it to say this wedding has been arranged in less than 2 weeks so that says it all really.
Just dreading it really.
Work is shite
Blokes are shite
Children are selfish shites
Make mine a large one barman:
Oh dear, I do really feel for you…
My brother in law got married (to my sister obviously) a few days before his death… wedding photos with a feeding tube up his nose are a grim reminder of what he had to go through.
However, the day was lovely, all their friends and family were there to support them and he was doing something that meant a great deal to both of them – I’m sure it will be the same for your friend too…
As for work, blokes and kids they’re all shite as you say… noooo:
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I'm not angel1
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See also: lack of werk, which is shitey shite 'n' scary scared2:
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I'm not angel1
::) Yes you are Nick!
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I have the prospect of going to a wedding tomorrow of someone I have known for over 20 years. She has an inoperable brain tumour and suffice it to say this wedding has been arranged in less than 2 weeks so that says it all really.
Just dreading it really.
Work is shite
Blokes are shite
Children are selfish shites
Make mine a large one barman:
That sounds grim. cry:
Remember it is still her big day and you need to celebrate it with her even more loudly than you would have otherwise.
As for the shite items you mention, I can apologise on behalf of cads with whom I share my gender and sympathise with the rest.
Now have a drink my dear and go to that wedding as the radiant life and soul that you are, and make your friends day.
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I have the prospect of going to a wedding tomorrow of someone I have known for over 20 years. She has an inoperable brain tumour and suffice it to say this wedding has been arranged in less than 2 weeks so that says it all really.
Just dreading it really.
Work is shite
Blokes are shite
Children are selfish shites
Make mine a large one barman:
That sounds grim. cry:
Remember it is still her big day and you need to celebrate it with her even more loudly than you would have otherwise.
As for the shite items you mention, I can apologise on behalf of cads with whom I share my gender and sympathise with the rest.
Now have a drink my dear and go to that wedding as the radiant life and soul that you are, and make your friends day.
Well said, that man happ096
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I bet she had a hangover noooo:
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Remember it is still her big day and you need to celebrate it with her even more loudly than you would have otherwise.
As for the shite items you mention, I can apologise on behalf of cads with whom I share my gender and sympathise with the rest.
Now have a drink my dear and go to that wedding as the radiant life and soul that you are, and make your friends day.
DS you are / were right angel1
The day was very special - obviously very emotional, as she has deteriorated a lot since I last saw her and cannot walk without being supported etc. However the focus was all on the positive and sun shone brightly. I guess you couldn't ask for much more given the circumstances.
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Remember it is still her big day and you need to celebrate it with her even more loudly than you would have otherwise.
As for the shite items you mention, I can apologise on behalf of cads with whom I share my gender and sympathise with the rest.
Now have a drink my dear and go to that wedding as the radiant life and soul that you are, and make your friends day.
DS you are / were right angel1
The day was very special - obviously very emotional, as she has deteriorated a lot since I last saw her and cannot walk without being supported etc. However the focus was all on the positive and sun shone brightly. I guess you couldn't ask for much more given the circumstances.
I am very pleased for you and her.
Did you catch the bouquet. . .
. . . or make any new "friends" eyes:
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I had another event to go to on Saturday night and yes I made a new friend who has asked if he could buy me some food on Friday night . I guess another trip to McDonalds is in the offing lol:
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Or a trip to Aldi noooo:
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I had another event to go to on Saturday night and yes I made a new friend who has asked if he could buy me some food on Friday night . I guess another trip to McDonalds is in the offing lol:
If you would just raise the bar a little. Under 18s can only ever afford McDonalds ;)
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It's the new website I have joined : Sugamammas.com lol:
But don't worry snoops I have raised the bar ...I just have to ensure they can mash his food up first so he can sip it happy001
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lol: lol: lol:
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I just have to ensure they can mash his food up first so he can sip it
That certainly works for me.
Anything that saves the teeth.