The Virtual Pub
Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Snoopy on August 07, 2008, 01:25:25 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7545151.stm
The Government is to spend another small fortune trying to persuade parents that the MMR is safe and that ALL children should receive not one but two doses. Had they invested the cash spent on trying to have their own way in providing separate jabs for those parents (and I am one) who wanted them for their children instead on continuing to try and convert us there would be no need for yet more spending.
BUT the headline is that Measles can kill! ~ Yup it sure can. Two deaths in the UK from measles in 16 years ~ hardly a worrying statistic is it? Not when you consider the damage that the triple jabs can and have caused to some children.
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consider the damage that the triple jabs can and have caused to some children.
You have proof?
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I have to admit there is a part of me that wonders what the connection is between the government and the companies manufacturing the MMR vaccine when parents refused the combined vaccination en masse. After all it made sense to spilit the vaccinations down to seperate ones to ensure that vaccinations were made.
Maybe I'm just being overly cynical when I start thinking about party donations.
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consider the damage that the triple jabs can and have caused to some children.
You have proof?
I accept that there is sufficient proof in the public domain ~ despite the best efforts of the "establishment" to rubbish it ~ to cast serious doubts on the safety of the triple jab for all. There is no earthly reason why three single and separate jabs could not have continued. 3 million children's parents can't all be wrong.
This is a classic case of the pharmaceutical companies riding roughshod over public opinion and getting the Government to back them and not for the first time. They have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Whilst there is ANY doubt then they should allow parents the choice. Our own GP would not have her four children given the triple but arranged individual jabs for them. As she said "If there is doubt, then I am not risking it when there is a risk free alternative"
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when young Berek was diagnosed autistic we did think the MMR might be the cause, but the fact that mental illness runs in both our families seemed more like it.
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I have a few teachers in the family and at the get together recently there was discussion about autism. It seems that the latest 'flavour' is ASD - "Autistic Spectrum Disorder"
Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a relatively new term that includes the subgroups within the spectrum of autism. There are differences between the subgroups within the spectrum and further work is required on defining the criteria, but all children with an ASD share a triad of impairments in their ability to:
Understand and use non-verbal and verbal communication
Understand social behaviour which affects their ability to interact with children and adults
Think and behave flexibly — which may be shown in restricted, obsessional or repetitive activities
I think we're all the spectrum at some point.
Certainly the males in the family show varying degrees of Asperger's. eeek:
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This being my line of work i'll say what I think.
I reckon ASD is a bad term to use, I look after, or should I say "protect the public from" a chap who is very violent and has "low functioning autism ", my boy on the other hand has " high functioning autism " or Aspergers Syndrome. Both of them fall into the ASD bracket. To generalise by saying someone has ASD is stupid.
I also think its being used by a lot of parents as an excuse for bad behaviour. Not by me, my son has been clinically diagnosed by a child psychiatrist
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Difficult subject all together. As I have said before I couldn't do Berek's job for a fortune.
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I don't think that teachers say a child has ASD and leave it at that. From what I can gather it's the starting point and there is awareness of the the range of autism (the 'spectrum')
Bad behaviour has a cause, be it Asperger's, poor parenting or whatever. The teacher needs to know this cause and can then address the particular needs of the child.
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I don't think that teachers say a child has ASD and leave it at that. From what I can gather it's the starting point and there is awareness of the the range of autism (the 'spectrum')
Bad behaviour has a cause, be it Asperger's, poor parenting or whatever. The teacher needs to know this cause and can then address the particular needs of the child.
Indeed ~ then again they could simply smack its arse ..... didn't do me any harm whistle:
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True ~ but then you're not autistic. rubschin:
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True ~ but then you're not autistic. rubschin:
I'm not sure that any of these things existed when I was a nipper Uncle. You got a belting and behaved or you were sent to either Borstal or an asylum. Sometimes I wonder just how far our "enlightened" society will lean over backwards before it accepts that there are no easy solutions. Labelling something a syndrome or calling it an issue doesn't seem to make matters any better. But what do I know? ..... I'm the just the man on the Clapham omnibus.
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I'm sure there's a large number of adults with 'high functioning autism' that received a belting at school. I wonder how many of them have achieved their full potential?
If their condition had been realised and appropriate action taken how much better could their lives have been?
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heres an interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAfWfsop1e0
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Blank screen for me ~ I'm at werk like.
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Yes ~ very interesting indeed and Uncle makes a good point about realising potential but then Churchill was a manic depressive (not a PC label these days I know), Montgomery was a suppressed shirt lifter and heaven alone knows what was wrong with Patten but he certainly was not "normal".
I just feel that the problem with so many of these "modern" diagnoses is that once a label has been attached to a problem a whole profession grows up around it and what may have been something quite rare becomes commonplace with a complete industry devoted to ensuring that the gravy train created continues to roll.
It's all too difficult for mere laymen like me, who never went to university, to solve. I can only sit and comment about something that I have little understanding of. Prolly better to keep my mouth shut but we dinosaurs don't die out that easily.
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Although are genuine cases of all these things, they have become more acceptable terms for the middle classes than "thick as two short planks".
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Good point BH
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See also “Eating Disorders” ::)