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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Snoopy on July 16, 2008, 07:26:54 AM
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The Work Experience is cancelled as the THW is working at the County Council and their HR Dept do not want her to cross the expected picket line. Thank you UNITE and UNISON for f*cking up a child's opportunities. That really gets people on your side in the argument.
If you don't think you get paid enough then change your job. If you cannot find a job that pays better then perhaps what you are selling isn't actually worth any more. Think about it.
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eeek:
<slips away hopefully un-noticed as is unwilling to inccur the snoopy wrath>
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eeek:
<slips away hopefully un-noticed as is unwilling to inccur the snoopy wrath>
COME BACK HERE and say your piece like a man ~ woman.
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scared2:
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Seriously.
Everyone wants more money, everyone believes that they "deserve" more money but in truth are they actually worth more money? What skills are they selling? If no employer is willing to pay a higher rate for those skills then obviously the rate offered is what they are worth. Answer = get better skills that are more valuable to employers or accept that which is on offer.
Councils and LEAs do not have money of their own. They have a budget set for them within which they have to operate. Any additonal funding given to provide higher wages comes out of our taxes so we end up paying more for a bunch of people too idle to seek either better jobs or better qualifications.
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I agree with you in part but when you see sop much waste… and that guy that lost the discs with all the information on it ‘retiring’ on £84K per year… and Gordo pissing off on a jolly with an 84-course lunch…
Sod it, if I was a bin man I’d have the day off too…
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Nobody said it is a fair world ~ but remember what mother used to say ~ "Don't pick it, it will never get better if you do".
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cussing:
The Work Experience is cancelled as the THW is working at the County Council and their HR Dept do not want her to cross the expected picket line. Thank you UNITE and UNISON for f*cking up a child's opportunities. That really gets people on your side in the argument.
If you don't think you get paid enough then change your job. If you cannot find a job that pays better then perhaps what you are selling isn't actually worth any more. Think about it.
surely she only gets today off ? sure it not end of world as all that crap probably put her off for life!
and she can go into another career that pays well!
Everyone will always moan about salary etc no matter how much they earn, you only have to look at the poor MPs god bless there poverty stricken lives!
this is really pissing me off i tell you...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/7496893.stm
This happened last wed, TG never got home till 7pm, as was stuck in city on bus for hour or so, and all other poor people who after a long day want to get home, who do these taxi drivers think they are, Besides the emergency issue, why do they want to waste there expensive fuel and and take it out on the public who are there customers, i am so so annoyed about this, they should either find alternative careers or go do there protests where the innocent public dont suffer Banghead
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They've been offered 2.45% which given the current rate of inflation (even using the government's massaged figures) means a pay cut.
Same work for less money?
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They've been offered 2.45% which given the current rate of inflation (even using the government's massaged figures) means a pay cut.
Same work for less money?
Precisely...
The good news about all this is that it is bad news for Labour...
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They've been offered 2.45% which given the current rate of inflation (even using the government's massaged figures) means a pay cut.
Same work for less money?
We got a 2.8% rise so cant really complain, TG never got a pay rise for four yrs up to last yr, and got no chance at this moment with company crying poverty etc, I would defo be looking for another employment! sad24:
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cussing:
The Work Experience is cancelled as the THW is working at the County Council and their HR Dept do not want her to cross the expected picket line. Thank you UNITE and UNISON for f*cking up a child's opportunities. That really gets people on your side in the argument.
If you don't think you get paid enough then change your job. If you cannot find a job that pays better then perhaps what you are selling isn't actually worth any more. Think about it.
Many including myself crossed the picket line. My bins were emptied this morning, there are no absentees in this office this morning.
What totally pisses me off is that last year staff accepted the "Pay and Benefits Project" imposed on LA's by central government, at the moment, this leaves me £5,700 p.a worse off (appeal pending), and I'm one of many. People voted this one through, but are now striking for one or two per cent confused:. This wonderful government reneged on the Police pay agreement, what chance do council workers have of winning?
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To be honest what totally pisses me off is that the schools are shut for two days. Today because the ancillaries are on strike and tomorrow because the teachers are. Then back to school at 0900 on Friday to break up for the Summer Holidays at 3.30. What is the point?
If any of my children are more than 15 minutes late, even if not actually absent, I get phone calls demanding verbal explanations and these HAVE to be followed up in writing. If one child has flu I have to inform the school DAILY of their absence or they will send an "official" round. They will not accept a call on Monday to say that the child has flu and the Dr says no school for two weeks. Oh f*cking no!
However they gave parents one day's notice of today's closure in which to organise child care, time off work or whatever. They are forever prattling on about the need for parents to observe the Home /School contract but when it comes to their side of that contract you can kiss my arse.
I have just been to the High School to collect something for my daughter. The Deputy Head and 8 other female staff fell out of 2 cars at 2.35. Pissed as newts. They had been celebrating a birthday. Oh yes ~ very responsible I'm sure. Angry9:
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I can sympathise with all that. For some reason the schools hereabouts are not on strike cloud9:
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On the subject of Home/School contracts ~ The Head at the High School told me when I demanded a signed copy that out of almost 2000 children ALL of whom have been given a "Contract" for both the child and a parent/guardian to sign and return NOT ONE except me has ever asked to have their copy signed by a member of the school management team.. YES he did sign a copy for me, after I pointed out that a contract signed by only one party was not worth the paper it was printed on and YES I will hold them to every word.
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On the subject of Home/School contracts ~ The Head at the High School told me when I demanded a signed copy that out of almost 2000 children ALL of whom have been given a "Contract" for both the child and a parent/guardian to sign and return NOT ONE except me has ever asked to have their copy signed by a member of the school management team.. YES he did sign a copy for me, after I pointed out that a contract signed by only one party was not worth the paper it was printed on and YES I will hold them to every word.
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The Boy has come home with a note. Tomorrow is "water-themed". Could he therefore dress entirely in blue and bring 50 p in 1p pieces ( rubschin:) cussing:
I suggested he should wear polythene instead since water is not blue. He was not amused. eveilgrin:
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Stephen Fry on QI said that water is blue.
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Not in our taps!
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That'll be the contaminates.
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All teachers should be taken out and shot!
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Even Mr Wench? eeek:
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Especially Mr Wench. Twice in his case. Once for being a TEacher and once for being Welsh.
I am in a very bad mood. evil: evil: evil:
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You have a point there!
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sad24:
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sad24:
Oh all right then ~ Only once.
I know I shall regret this.
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So is it just the fact that all the kids are at home that has you all het up?
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scared:
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I am sure Wenchy would prefer just to torture him....
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So is it just the fact that all the kids are at home that has you all het up?
Actually no ~ but the numbers of them roaming the streets because their parents couldn't make any other arrangements for them at such short notice has not done much to sweeten my temper. Anyway the boys' school is unaffected because it is too small to have many in the appropriate unions so it has only been the THW off today.
Other factors have come into play to totally p*ss me off today. Mainly businesses who want to take my money but not provide the goods and/or services to the expected standards, or to anything approaching acceptable standards and if one more f*cking recorded voice tells me my call is important to them I shall censored: I don't actually give a fat rat's arse if the call is important to them. It is important to ME and I am the one paying for it.
cussing: See also drunken teachers
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Nurse, the screens!
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so we end up paying more for a bunch of people too idle to seek either better jobs or better qualifications.
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I work fffing hard I'll have you know - as in any place of employment, whether in the public or private sector, there will always be those that don't. In fact dealing with the public on a daily basis and not being on manslaughter charges already is something I am quite proud of.
Do I agree with the strike action - no - I don't think there is much leverage to get more than has been offered and now is not the time to take a stand.
I appreciate how the strike action may inconvenience many but to be honest there are not many times when people or services from the 'Clownschool' are appreciated anyway.
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scared2:
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It's alright - I'm going on holiday tomorrow - though I probably don't deserve that eh !!!! cussing: sad24:
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Take firelighters and OMO
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lol: lol: lol:
Can't bring myself to burn anything ....but the OMO rubschin:
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so we end up paying more for a bunch of people too idle to seek either better jobs or better qualifications.
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I work fffing hard I'll have you know - as in any place of employment, whether in the public or private sector, there will always be those that don't. In fact dealing with the public on a daily basis and not being on manslaughter charges already is something I am quite proud of.
Do I agree with the strike action - no - I don't think there is much leverage to get more than has been offered and now is not the time to take a stand.
I appreciate how the strike action may inconvenience many but to be honest there are not many times when people or services from the 'Clownschool' are appreciated anyway.
fence:
Granted but you are not an f'ing school receptionist are you evil:
You have taken the exams, you have risen in your chosen employment, you are taking a responsible attitude, you are not one of the common herd responding to a strike call that only 40% of the membership bothered to vote in and only 50% of those that did vote actually voted for a strike. So a fifth of the membership are causing all these problems. It's appalling. Banghead
Oh ~ and have a nice holiday ~ Don't forget my stick of rock. ;)
Thousands of council staff are striking over pay in their biggest campaign of industrial unrest for years, forcing schools to close and hitting services.
Employers say 100,000 Unison and Unite members in England, Wales and N Ireland have joined the 48-hour action - but the unions put the figure at 500,000.
Unions say the rising cost of food and petrol effectively makes a 2.45% pay offer a pay cut, and they want 6%.
Council employers say they have reached the "limit of what is affordable".
Meanwhile, members of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS), who include driving test examiners and coastguard control room staff, are also striking in a separate row over their below-inflation pay offer.
The union estimates up to 5,000 driving tests across the UK may have been cancelled by the end of Wednesday.
Town hall services
The Local Government Association (LGA), the organisation representing local councils, said it estimated that about 8% of the workforce directly affected by the pay dispute was on strike - or just over 100,000 people.
The pounds in local government workers' pockets are turning to pennies
Dave Prentis
Unison
Is your council hit by the strike?
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Strikes hit services countrywide
It said a snapshot survey of councils showed north-east and north-west England were suffering the greatest disruption to services.
Unison estimated that a total of about 11,000 schools had been shut, but the LGA said just 452 were completely closed and 159 partially closed.
Services affected across England, Wales and Northern Ireland include:
* One in three schools in Wales closed
* A third of all households in Southampton will not have their rubbish collected this week
* Flights cancelled at Northern Ireland's council-run City of Derry Airport
* Bristol City Museum and Art Gallery closed
* Main libraries in Leicester and Leeds city centres closed
* Torpoint to Plymouth ferry service cancelled
Hundreds of workers have also taken part in protest marches in cities including Brighton, Bristol, Cardiff and Newcastle.
Workers in Scotland are not on strike, but the Scottish secretary of Unison, Matt Smith, said a walkout was planned unless councils agreed to renegotiate their pay offer.
BBC News employment correspondent Martin Shankleman said the strikes were the biggest challenge yet to the government's tough line on public sector pay.
'Breadline'
Average basic salaries in councils in England and Wales vary greatly. Figures from the LGA show a cleaner earns £12,732 a year, a refuse collector £15,685, and a planning officer £27,561.
AVERAGE ANNUAL SALARIES
Road sweeper: £14,430
Teaching assistant: £15,530
Care worker: £17,088
Sports coach: £21,411
Librarian: £22,388
Building control officer: £29,840
*LGA figures for England and Wales
Unison general secretary Dave Prentis said more than 250,000 of its members earned less than the basic rate of £6 per hour.
"The pounds in local government workers' pockets are turning to pennies," he said.
"The cost of everyday essentials like milk, bread, petrol, gas and electricity are going through the roof - our members cannot afford to take another cut in their pay."
Unite national officer Peter Allenson said its members were "living on the breadline".
But one council worker in south-east England, who broke the picket line and did not want to be named, said the pay offer was good in the "current economic climate".
"In local government we are guaranteed a pay rise every year and over the last 10 years, it has varied between 2.5% and 3% - people in the private sector don't get anywhere near that."
The RPI inflation measure - often used as a benchmark in pay negotiations - is currently 4.6%.
Service cuts
Jan Parkinson, managing director of Local Government Employers (LGE), which was created by the LGA in 2006, said: "Our greatest asset is our staff but we have simply reached the limit of what is affordable.
Council workers on strike
"We remain willing to talk to the unions on a constructive basis about the future employment conditions of our workforce but this week's strikes will not change the fact that our last offer was our final offer."
John Ransford, LGA deputy chief executive, said councils would have to put up council tax or cut services in order to meet the pay demand.
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To be honest I think even Unison were surprised that the vote was returned in favour of strike action - albeit by the slimmest of margins. I think they are trying to make the most of these two days because if any further action is called this is not going to be followed.
The general feeling is that this is a reasonable offer and no one can afford to lose any more pay than the 2 days they are already losing. noooo:
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(Applause).
More power to your elbow.
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Anyway ~ they chose the wrong day to upset me ~ and seeing those teachers falling around the car-park, giggling and clearly rat-arsed just about finished it for me.
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Shall I bring you back something stronger than a stick of rock happy100
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Go for it Snoops - a lot of these public sector workers are taking the total pi55. They are on the golden ticket and they know it.
I will not accept their stories of hardship and angst.
Most work hard, but their rewards are longer term and I would happily allow a 10% pay rise if their pension funds suffered as much as the rest of us, who have been butt fucked by this government.
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Shall I bring you back something stronger than a stick of rock happy100
Bless you.
Whenever I went anywhere my Mum used to say "Bring me back a monkey on a stick".
It wasn't until I was all growed up that I finally found a wooden "Monkey on a Stick" and bought it for her. She laughed a lot and confessed that she had only said it because she didn't want me spending money on her when I was a kid on school trips and knew I wouldn't be able to find such a thing.
So a monkey on a stick please.
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eeek:
Ok - while I am relaxing on the beach I will brush up on my whittling skills just for you.
I hope my efforts will look something like the task you have commissioned but I will need to downgrade the axe to a smaller weapon to achieve this 8)
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I will brush up on my whittling skills just for you
scared2:
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One of the blokes I look after in the asylum goes to a council run day centre every day, but they were shut yesterday AND today because of the strike. It has meant bringing in 2 more members of staff each day to cope with him, costing around £300 in wages
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Maybe they should just build a big fence around Barrow eveilgrin:
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One of the blokes I look after in the asylum goes to a council run day centre every day, but they were shut yesterday AND today because of the strike. It has meant bringing in 2 more members of staff each day to cope with him, costing around £300 in wages
Exactly evil:
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Maybe they should just build a big fence around Barrow eveilgrin:
they don't need to, we're practically surrounded by water and are situated at the end of the biggest cul-de-sac in Europe
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Apart from Cape Finisterre. WHich I have been to
And which is less bleak noooo: