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Come Inside... => The Snug => Topic started by: Grumpmeister on January 17, 2008, 03:45:36 PM
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Okay granted the last clown in that picture doesnt exactly look happy and smiley but in the main what is it about clowns that scare children more now than they have done in the past? I suspect the answer lies in the media, other then in carnivals or the circus you dont see clowns anymore so younger kids today dont really know what to expect with them. Dress someone up as a Tellytubby and kids know what to expect when they walk into a hospital ward so the obvious answer for the hospitals is to look at what kids programs are popular and then ask the kids what the would think is doctors dressed as the characters worked on the ward.
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Children are frightened by clown-themed decor in hospitals, a survey suggests. How did the smiley circus entertainers become a horror staple?
Anyone who has read Stephen King's It would probably never choose to decorate a children's ward with clowns.
And it probably comes as no surprise to horror fans that a University of Sheffield study of 250 children for a report on hospital design suggests the children find clown motifs "frightening and unknowable".
One might suspect that popular culture is to blame. In It, made into a television movie in 1990, Stephen King created a child-murdering monster that appeared as a demonic clown.
King's It has sparked a slew of schlocky movies over the past 20 years, known as the killer clown or evil clown genre.
Examples include Clownhouse from 1990 where three boys at home alone are menaced by escaped mental patients who have taken on the identities of clowns they have killed; Mr Jingles from 2006, where a killer clown takes its revenge; and 2004's In Fear of Clowns, in which an artist with coulrophobia is stalked by a clown resembling one of her paintings.
S.I.C.K., Killjoy and the Camp Blood Trilogy are other low-budget examples of the genre. But perhaps the highlight is 2001's Killer Klowns from Outer Space, with the tagline "In Space No One Can Eat Ice Cream".
Ok guilty admission time, I have that film on DVD redface:
Clowning around
British horror writer Ramsey Campbell says the recurring theme in popular culture of the scary clown goes back at least as far as silent move star Lon Chaney Sr, who identified the spooky potential when he reportedly said: "There is nothing laughable about a clown in the moonlight."
Dark clown imagery can also be seen in Jacques Tourneur's cult films Night of the Demon and Berlin Express, as well as in the form of the Joker in Batman comics and film adaptations.
"It is the fear of the mask, the fact that it doesn't change and is relentlessly comical," says Campbell, who has explored dark clown themes in his story The Other Side and in his latest novel The Grin of the Dark.
The place of the scary clown in mainstream popular culture can be seen in The Simpsons with Bart's intonation of "can't sleep, clown will eat me". And the real-life serial killer John Wayne Gacy, who often dressed as a clown for neighbourhood parties, provides an unpleasant undertone to the motif.
Search for fear of clowns on the internet and the results include plenty of sites referring to "coulrophobia".
Prof Paul Salkovskis, clinical director of the Maudsley Hospital Centre for Anxiety Disorders and Trauma, saw a patient in Yorkshire some years ago who feared clowns as one of a range of problems.
But he believes children's fear may be less to do with clowns per se and more to do with being unsettled by something as unusual-seeming as a clown.
"People are typically frightened by things which are wrong in some way, wrong in a disturbingly unfamiliar way," Prof Salkovskis says.
"It is almost certainly not a reaction to clowns, but we are sensitive to things which are extraordinary, particularly sensitive when we are young. My three-year-old was terrified by Peter Rabbit at a B&Q. Peter Rabbit is six inches high, not seven feet high."
And obviously it doesn't take a great leap of the imagination to suppose that children in hospitals, away from home, in an unfamiliar environment and worried about their health or elements of the treatment, may be more nervous than usual.
"Being away from home or away from a carer makes children more susceptible to fears," Prof Salkovskis says.
I had to lagh at one of the reader comments though:
I'm 24 and have a hatred of clowns that it shared by most of my friends. We have discussed it before as it does seem very strange and we all agreed that our generation has been scarred by Tim Curry's Pennywise in IT. Best proof of the trauma this has caused was when we visited the Horror nights at universal studios and found the worst experience of the night was the 3d clown night - forget Freddy or Jason that was terrifying. One particular friend who is a massive horror fan was almost in tears and suffered a mild asthma attack after what I can only describe as one of the most horrible experiences of my life... And this fear isn't just among the girls...
I'm sorry, Tim Curry scary? I remember watching IT once and cracking up everytime Pennywise appeared onscreen.
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Scared the shit out of me. I'd agree that it has scared a generation for life. scared2:
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I'm sorry, Tim Curry scary? I remember watching IT once and cracking up everytime Pennywise appeared onscreen.
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You wouldn't want to get stuck in a broken lift with him though would you?. noooo:
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Wrong TIm Curry Darwin, its this one:
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He looked scarier in Legend than he did in IT, hell he was more likely to scare people dressed as Frankenfurter Wenchy. whistle:
In IT:
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In Legend:
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In Rocky Horror:
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I'll leave you to decide which is scarier whistle:
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THE FIRST ONE YOU IDIOT!!! scared2:
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The first one was a trick Wenchy, LL sneaked me a holiday snap of BM whistle:
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What Baldy with his ginger wig? point:
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What Baldy with his ginger wig? point:
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What Baldy with his ginger wig? point:
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That picture really does chill me. I have to scroll past it really quickly. eeek:
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What Baldy with his ginger wig? point:
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That picture really does chill me. I have to scroll past it really quickly. eeek:
Something tells me Old Baldy is going to be on a picture hunt now..... whistle:
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Banghead
When
Banghead
Willl
Banghead
I
Banghead
Learn
Banghead
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You wouldnt be Wenchy if you didnt leave yourself wide open on a regular basis point:
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I always cross my legs thank-you very much! eeek:
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I always cross my legs thank-you very much! eeek:
drumroll:
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I always cross my legs thank-you very much! eeek:
drumroll:
Make the most of it. That's it for the month!
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The first one was a trick Wenchy, LL sneaked me a holiday snap of whistle:
This is absolutely true - BBB BM with his ginger wig and deep deep sun tan whistle:
Grumpymeister - don't be beg of you, post those of him in his swimming trunks eveilgrin:
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Make the most of it. That's it for the month!
Now that's what I say to BBBBM whistle:
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The first one was a trick Wenchy, LL sneaked me a holiday snap of whistle:
This is absolutely true - BBB with his ginger wig and deep deep sun tan whistle:
Grumpymeister - don't be beg of you, post those of him in his swimming trunks eveilgrin:
doh:
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The first one was a trick Wenchy, LL sneaked me a holiday snap of whistle:
This is absolutely true - BBB with his ginger wig and deep deep sun tan whistle:
Grumpymeister - don't be beg of you, post those of him in his swimming trunks eveilgrin:
doh:
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You are safe there LL, I deleted those ones as soon as they arrived. I may be billing you for the counselling I've had to undergo after seeing them though eeek:
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[Hopefully I am in a coma and just dreaming all this…]
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That's it for the month!
<snigger>
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Make the most of it. That's it for the month!
I'm sure one of us will remind you that you said that sometime in the next few days... point:
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Clowns scare the hell out of me still.
I can watch them on t.v. no problem but if I see one in real life I get anxious
Killer Klowns is a great film..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r6RU8xXynY
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The first one was a trick Wenchy, LL sneaked me a holiday snap of whistle:
This is absolutely true - BBB with his ginger wig and deep deep sun tan whistle:
Grumpymeister - don't be beg of you, post those of him in his swimming trunks eveilgrin:
doh:
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You are safe there LL, I deleted those ones as soon as they arrived. I may be billing you for the counselling I've had to undergo after seeing them though eeek:
Send me the bill and I'll take it off your bar tab whistle:
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I think I have previously made my feelings about clowns well known in the past GM evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil:
How could you sex014
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It wasnt so much the bit about the clowns that made me post this Miss D, it was the fact that hospitals have had to pay for research into this when an afternoon of children's TV and a chat with a primary school class would have given the same conclusion with far less cost. scared:
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It wasnt so much the bit about the clowns that made me post this Miss D, it was the fact that hospitals have had to pay for research into this when an afternoon of children's TV and a chat with a primary school class would have given the same conclusion with far less cost. scared:
Yeah right
Tenuous bloody excuse to scare me silly evil:
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Tenuous bloody excuse to scare me silly evil:
As Darwin said somewhere else on here:
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