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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Nick on November 26, 2007, 01:38:59 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7112929.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7112929.stm)
Mad world!
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Surely if you are going to teach in an islamic country, knowing just how rabidly extremist some of them can get, the LAST thing any normal sensible person is going to do would be to name a teddy bear after their prophet.
Thats like going into the middle of the bible belt and naming the school furby Jesus noooo:
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I just cannot see what the crime is here.
It is seen as an insult to Islam to attempt to make an image of the Prophet Muhammad.
Then it wasn't an insult, as they just gave a toy bear the most common name in the Islamic world.
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Surely if you are going to teach in an islamic country, knowing just how rabidly extremist some of them can get, the LAST thing any normal sensible person is going to do would be to name a teddy bear after their prophet.
Thats like going into the middle of the bible belt and naming the school furby Jesus noooo:
IN which case, what would happen? Imprisonment? OK, she was scouse, but the kids voted!!
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The bear could be beheaded.
Praps not, on second thoughts......... noooo:
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And the moral of the story is:
STAY AT HOME, DO NOT INTERFERE IN OTHER COUNTRIES, DO NOT ASSUME YOU KNOW BEST JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A "WESTERNER".
People who go out to these countries and set themselves up to educate the natives deserve all they get ~ it's not as if they haven't had enough warnings. Clean up your own house before telling others where they are wrong.
We've (Europeans) have been on this missionary trail for long enough ~ was a time when they would have been eaten.
Fvcking do-gooders get on my wick. evil:
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Que? She was teaching primary school kids!
Nurse, the screens!
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Que? She was teaching primary school kids!
Nurse, the screens!
Exactly!
They are capable of teaching their own children what they want them to know ~ meanwhile there are teaching jobs in the UK.
Why was she teaching a British National Curriculum Course? Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was following a British national curriculum course
That course would be one of those that leaves us with 30% of our children unable to read or write at the age of 11 would it?
Ah ~ It makes sense now ... level Johnny Foreigner down to the same piss poor standards as our kids and then they might not blow us up. ::)
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Good plan!
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And the moral of the story is:
STAY AT HOME, DO NOT INTERFERE IN OTHER COUNTRIES, DO NOT ASSUME YOU KNOW BEST JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A "WESTERNER".
People who go out to these countries and set themselves up to educate the natives deserve all they get ~ it's not as if they haven't had enough warnings. Clean up your own house before telling others where they are wrong.
We've (Europeans) have been on this missionary trail for long enough ~ was a time when they would have been eaten.
Fvcking do-gooders get on my wick. evil:
It depends on the circumstances though, in the past I've done aid work in Romanian orphanages without any real problems. Its the morons who go in without having a decent appreciaton of other cultures who are the cause of stupidity like this.
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It's noticable that it was the children who picked the name ~ they hadn't yet been indoctrinated with the Islamic 'culture'
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It's noticable that it was the children who picked the name ~ they hadn't yet been indoctrinated with the Islamic 'culture'
That is why they made all the fuss.
It shows the poor level of indoctrination education the kids had.
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It's noticable that it was the children who picked the name ~ they hadn't yet been indoctrinated with the Islamic 'culture'
Wrong, or they would have come up with names like Fred and George!
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There are 6 Muslims working shifts in our local Curry Takeaway ~ 4 seem to be called Mohamed ~ none looks remotely like a Teddy Bear though whistle:
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It's noticable that it was the children who picked the name ~ they hadn't yet been indoctrinated with the Islamic 'culture'
Wrong, or they would have come up with names like Fred and George!
Bungle surely?
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No, right ~ they just picked the most common name. Once they had received enough Islamic education they wouldn't have considered Mohammed as a choice.
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So a 54 y.o woman, from the same place (Liverpool) as Ken Bigley, takes her Christian beliefs to a Muslim country, that has been in a state of civil war for years, where they did for General Gordon and have never forgiven the British for the revenge we took for that little episode (despite the fact we were the invaders) and uses a British primary school curriculum lesson to teach Muslim children about bears ~ not something they are ever likely to come across in North Africa anyway ~ and is stupid enough to allow the children to name it Mohamed. Then the silly bitch puts the name on the front of the book, with a picture of this bear on it, and sends the book and the teddy bear home with the children. It has to be Darwinism at its most extreme.
I'm sorry but I just cannot take in the sheer stupidity of this. It was so predictable had anyone offered me odds I would have refused the bet.
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It's a woman thing whistle:
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It's a woman thing whistle:
QED
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not something they are ever likely to come across in North Africa anyway
Nor here either whistle:
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Stupid enough in itself, but if one displayed a teddy in the Vatican with the label "Jesus" on it ????? eveilgrin:
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Stupid enough in itself, but if one displayed a teddy in the Vatican with the label "Jesus" on it ????? eveilgrin:
That depends… are we talking a Catholic or Protestant Jesus? rubschin:
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Stupid enough in itself, but if one displayed a teddy in the Vatican with the label "Jesus" on it ????? eveilgrin:
That depends… are we talking a Catholic or Protestant Jesus? rubschin:
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Look onder yure corr for the answer. evil:
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Stone him! evil:
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Why, is he a witch?
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Obviously! ::)
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I am glad you cleared that up, otherwise I would lie awake worrying about it tonight.
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I am glad you cleared that up, otherwise I would lie awake worrying about it tonight.
When you sober up or when you get pissed? rubschin:
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Why, is he a witch?
Nah, he probably said that his dinner was good enough for Jehovah whistle:
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I’ve been thinking about this… rubschin:
These people really are taking the piss aren’t they? Forty lashes is the punishment for this ridiculous farcical ‘crime’ – it is purely an opportunity to humiliate westerners and our ‘infidel’ culture…
Or perhaps it is the concept of education per se that they find so repulsive – teaching young children to read, write and think for themselves? After all they might question the culture that thinks forty lashes for naming a teddy bear, or punishing a woman that has been raped is a bit bizarre?
I think the government should take a hard line with these people – you don’t respect our western culture and values? Fine then we’ll take our aid packages back, remove the infidels that are helping your country and leave you to return to the dark ages…
In fact, if you don’t release the teacher now we can return you to the dark ages lickety split courtesy of our infidel nuclear arsenal…
Of course nothing will happen, diplomatic approaches will be made, the UK will be humiliated and will continue to donate billions of taxpayer’s money to people that loathe us…
Wankers! cussing:
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The problem is that our rules are too lax, we need more Christian Fundamentalism and radical, hard-line Methodists.
I propose:
1. 40 lashes for women who cover their faces in public.
2. 40 lashes for men who henna their beards.
3. Stoning for working in a kebab van
4. Cutting off hands for driving a taxi without a statue of Jesus on the dash.
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I’ve been thinking about this… rubschin:
These people really are taking the piss aren’t they? Forty lashes is the punishment for this ridiculous farcical ‘crime’ – it is purely an opportunity to humiliate westerners and our ‘infidel’ culture…
Or perhaps it is the concept of education per se that they find so repulsive – teaching young children to read, write and think for themselves? After all they might question the culture that thinks forty lashes for naming a teddy bear, or punishing a woman that has been raped is a bit bizarre?
I think the government should take a hard line with these people – you don’t respect our western culture and values? Fine then we’ll take our aid packages back, remove the infidels that are helping your country and leave you to return to the dark ages…
In fact, if you don’t release the teacher now we can return you to the dark ages lickety split courtesy of our infidel nuclear arsenal…
Of course nothing will happen, diplomatic approaches will be made, the UK will be humiliated and will continue to donate billions of taxpayer’s money to people that loathe us…
Wankers! cussing:
Which is why I say ~ if they chose to go there to work with the "natives" then they can expect to be caught out by something. Better that these do-gooders stay at home and help people of their own beliefs.
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I’ve been thinking about this… rubschin:
These people really are taking the piss aren’t they? Forty lashes is the punishment for this ridiculous farcical ‘crime’ – it is purely an opportunity to humiliate westerners and our ‘infidel’ culture…
Or perhaps it is the concept of education per se that they find so repulsive – teaching young children to read, write and think for themselves? After all they might question the culture that thinks forty lashes for naming a teddy bear, or punishing a woman that has been raped is a bit bizarre?
I think the government should take a hard line with these people – you don’t respect our western culture and values? Fine then we’ll take our aid packages back, remove the infidels that are helping your country and leave you to return to the dark ages…
In fact, if you don’t release the teacher now we can return you to the dark ages lickety split courtesy of our infidel nuclear arsenal…
Of course nothing will happen, diplomatic approaches will be made, the UK will be humiliated and will continue to donate billions of taxpayer’s money to people that loathe us…
Wankers! cussing:
Which is why I say ~ if they chose to go there to work with the "natives" then they can expect to be caught out by something. Better that these do-gooders stay at home and help people of their own beliefs.
Or stay there and get stoned to death... whistle:
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Thrash her fat scouse arse cussing:
Oh and it seems that the complaint against her came from a "colleague" at the school.
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Guilty of only one charge and 15 Days in the chokey!
What's the betting she'll then be flown home to a "heroines" welcome.
15 Days ~ that's pitiful ~ I got longer than that for getting drunk and telling a Flight Sergeant to p*ss off. angry037
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They can tie the teddy bear to a lamp post when she gets back to Scallypool.
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They can tie the teddy bear to a lamp post when she gets back to Scallypool.
lol: lol: lol:
But honestly ~ there are plenty of kids in Liverpool who can't read and write ... why the hell does this daft bint feel it necessary to go to Sudan to teach? ('prolly not qualified???)
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Snoopy, you've got a real 'downer' on this woman and I don't understand why.
Personally I find the entire thing ludicrous and only reinforces my contempt for organised religon.
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I find myself with Uncle Mort on this one.
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I have nothing personal against this woman it is simply that I just get throughly annoyed with people who travel abroad, interfere with other cultures and then bleat when they get it wrong. There have been plenty of examples that this woman and her kind MUST be aware of. She was simply asking for trouble by not being fully prepared or even taking elementary precautions and deserves no sympathy.
In Sudan, like many other places, there are fundamentalists simply looking for an excuse to cause trouble because they resent the implication that "White Europeans" know better than they do.
Frankly nobody likes to have to accept charity but people such as this woman and her kind are oblivious to this because they are blinded by their own belief that they are "doing good for the poor (and I'm not talking financially poor) people of Bongo Bongo Land". Such people will not be advised by anyone but then expect to be bailed out by the British Authorities as soon as they get into trouble. As stated previously on another board I have stood, rifle in hand, twixt these types and the mob as the do-gooders fought one another for places in the evacuation boats/helicopters and frankly I have nothing but contempt for them
Anyway I spend most of my time being "nice" here and sometimes I like to let off steam about something that I feel strongly about. OK? evil:
Now I'm going to take some nice pills ~ sorry if I have offended you in anyway.
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Of course it's OK, however she did fall foul of a particularly ridiculous law that only came to light after a 'colleague' stitched her up.
Surely it's still better to offer practical help rather than throwing money at a problem, much of which never reaches those who need it.
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At least she just got locked up for a few days and not thrashed.
She can come home and blend in as yet another old Scouse banger with no weals.
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Groan
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Groan
redface:
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I see our diplomats have protested in the ‘strongest terms’… They must be shitting themselves over that then eh? ::)
Send gunboats or even better remove any aid or help we currently provide the savages with…. Angry9:
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Strangely enough I agree with both Mort and Snoopy on this one. This story does once again show just how ridiculous organised religion is but at the same time, knowing that you are going to be teaching in an islamic country, any normal sensible person would make sure that they didnt do anything stupid to insult the locals especially given recent events.
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At least she just got locked up for a few days and not thrashed.
She can come home and blend in as yet another old Scouse banger with no weals.
drumroll:
I just got it... redface:
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What kept you?
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At least she just got locked up for a few days and not thrashed.
She can come home and blend in as yet another old Scouse banger with no weals.
drumroll:
I just got it... redface:
Some days I just despair. noooo:
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What kept you?
I have a hangover... redface:
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You were supposed to rub the hair tonic on your scalp BM, not drink it point:
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You were supposed to rub the hair tonic on your scalp BM, not drink it point:
happy001 happy001 point:
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evil:
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It gets better - now they want her shot!
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1295080,00.html
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Good grief! ::)
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It gets better - now they want her shot!
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1295080,00.html
Nothing much changes.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/islam/1885khartoum1.html (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/islam/1885khartoum1.html)
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Perhaps we should march in the streets and ask for them to be Nuked... whistle:
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A quote on the "Have Your Say" bit on the Beeb website :-
"A task force should immediately be assembled and sent to the Sudan to rescue this poor woman & bear. That would send a clear signal to all around the world that those who try to mess with supply teachers and small soft toys will feel the might of the Britsh armed services with a full military response." razz: razz: razz:
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Not to worry, she will soon be seen stepping off an RAF transport at Brize Norton triumphantly holding the bear aloft.
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Not to worry, she will soon be seen stepping off an RAF transport at Brize Norton triumphantly holding the bear aloft.
But will the bear have a head? rubschin:
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It gets better - now they want her shot!
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1295080,00.html
I cant hekp thinking there is a Danish cartoonist somewhere having a field day with this one whistle:
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It gets better - now they want her shot!
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1295080,00.html
I cant hekp thinking there is a Danish cartoonist somewhere having a field day with this one whistle:
The whole world must bve having a field day with this one... noooo:
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Unless they are too hungover whistle:
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Unless they are too hungover whistle:
Ahemm... yes... redface:
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So what does hair tonic taste like BM? whistle:
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So what does hair tonic taste like BM? whistle:
Well I do have a furry tongue... rubschin:
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So does that mean I need to send you another keg of Grumpmojo hair tonic? Banghead
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So what does hair tonic taste like BM? whistle:
Well I do have a furry tongue... rubschin:
Centre-parting?
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I hope it is not too much of a liberty to post a comment made on "another" forum about this whole thing. OH, for those interested:-
"I am offended
I have just found out that Sudanese women living here send their daughters back to the Sudan so an aged crone can cut off their clitorises with a rusty razor, bung a couple of stitches in and send them back to the UK where they will be married to their cousins.
I have just found out that Halal meat involves a ritual killing of the animal with no stunning and it is left to bleed to death
I have just found out that honour killings are the rage in Sudan
I have just found out that thousands of innocent people are being murdered by government militias in Darfur.
It is a great insult against humanity and these people are barbarians.
So, we have a choice. We can:
A: Mutter a bit under our breaths when the next batch of ex goat herding tented lunatics arrives at Gatwick demanding a house, benefits, cash, a car, jobs and freedom of religion, refuses to integrate and demands that all things Islamic are made available to them at no cost but maximum disruption to UK Society. Tut and wring our hands when they buy up large quantities of chapatti flour and hydrogen peroxide.
B: Do what they do in their country. Namely, RIOT. Burn a few flags. Throw veiled teaching assistants in jail for insulting the UK culture, throw qat chewing unemployable drug dealing goat herders on bogus asylum claims into prison. Riot outside schools when they insist on wearing a Burqa in English lessons and demand Halal chicken nuggets for all Uk school children. Demand instant deportation for them all as they are “not of us”.
Bastards. They have insulted and offended me and my culture and I want PAYBACK."
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So does that mean I need to send you another keg of Grumpmojo hair tonic? Banghead
Nooooo! scared2:
Send it to Nick... whistle:
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So does that mean I need to send you another keg of Grumpmojo hair tonic? Banghead
Nooooo! scared2:
Send it to Nick... whistle:
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!! Not after what happened last time
I tried telling him it wasnt the asnwer to repair a thatched roof but would he listen to me..... noooo:
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I hope it is not too much of a liberty to post a comment made on "another" forum about this whole thing. OH, for those interested:-
"I am offended
I have just found out that Sudanese women living here send their daughters back to the Sudan so an aged crone can cut off their clitorises with a rusty razor, bung a couple of stitches in and send them back to the UK where they will be married to their cousins.
I have just found out that Halal meat involves a ritual killing of the animal with no stunning and it is left to bleed to death
I have just found out that honour killings are the rage in Sudan
I have just found out that thousands of innocent people are being murdered by government militias in Darfur.
It is a great insult against humanity and these people are barbarians.
So, we have a choice. We can:
A: Mutter a bit under our breaths when the next batch of ex goat herding tented lunatics arrives at Gatwick demanding a house, benefits, cash, a car, jobs and freedom of religion, refuses to integrate and demands that all things Islamic are made available to them at no cost but maximum disruption to UK Society. Tut and wring our hands when they buy up large quantities of chapatti flour and hydrogen peroxide.
B: Do what they do in their country. Namely, RIOT. Burn a few flags. Throw veiled teaching assistants in jail for insulting the UK culture, throw qat chewing unemployable drug dealing goat herders on bogus asylum claims into prison. Riot outside schools when they insist on wearing a Burqa in English lessons and demand Halal chicken nuggets for all Uk school children. Demand instant deportation for them all as they are “not of us”.
Bastards. They have insulted and offended me and my culture and I want PAYBACK."
happ096
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The BBC have your say site has some interesting views on this, ranging from immediately cutting aid to seinding in the troops. Unfortunately with the cutbacks to the MOD this would mean that GOS is going to be brought out of retirement
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Wonder if Billy Connolly has any jokes in readiness, a la Ken Bigley. whistle:
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Am I allowed to comment that OH has eloquently summed up exactly what I was trying, in my pathetically poor fashion, to say?
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Am I allowed to comment that OH has eloquently summed up exactly what I was trying, in my pathetically poor fashion, to say?
Indeed. And I would add that your eloquence is generally top dollar, you silly old Hector.
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Am I allowed to comment that OH has eloquently summed up exactly what I was trying, in my pathetically poor fashion, to say?
Oh yes... but I thought you did very well too...
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Don't patronise me cussing:
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Ignore the baldy barman, Beagle. The ingested hair tonic has affected what he loosely calls his brain...
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Just you wait until he next comes knocking at my kennel door begging a bed for the night. ;)
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Just you wait until he next comes knocking at my kennel door begging a bed for the night. ;)
eeek:
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You've knocked before? eeek:
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You've knocked before? eeek:
Haven't we all?
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I see she has been pardoned. I now await her triumphant arrival in Liverpool (ticker tape etc.) evil:
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Regardless of your feelings for the islamic government there what we have done is impose our vallues upon that country in order to force a release that shouldnt have been granted. It doesnt matter how stupid we may think the law was the fact is that she broke the law, how many people from the UK work or have worked in islamic countries over the years, most of them have realised that anything that may offend the religion would be dangerously stupid even before recent events. Given the degree of media coverage Islam has had over the last few years, in particular the extremist nutbags, anyone with half a brain would have at the very least consulted other members of staff before declaring the bear was to be given the same name as their prophet. If nothing else a sense of self preservation should have kicked in and stopped her.
And before anyone says that something like that would never happen here, dont forget we still have blasphemy laws. They just havent been enacted in years because this is a secular state and religion hasnt any real direct power here.
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I reckon blowing up busses and tube trains, or trying to, is a tad illegal too.
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True but that is terrorism pure and simple.
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Regardless of your feelings for the islamic government there what we have done is impose our vallues upon that country in order to force a release that shouldnt have been granted. It doesnt matter how stupid we may think the law was the fact is that she broke the law, how many people from the UK work or have worked in islamic countries over the years, most of them have realised that anything that may offend the religion would be dangerously stupid even before recent events. Given the degree of media coverage Islam has had over the last few years, in particular the extremist nutbags, anyone with half a brain would have at the very least consulted other members of staff before declaring the bear was to be given the same name as their prophet. If nothing else a sense of self preservation should have kicked in and stopped her.
And before anyone says that something like that would never happen here, dont forget we still have blasphemy laws. They just havent been enacted in years because this is a secular state and religion hasnt any real direct power here.
It is only the most bizarre interpretation of ‘the law’ that she has broken – the trial and guilty verdict are a ridiculous farce.
Remember this is the country where there is the ongoing genocide in Darfur, 2½ million displaced, thousands dying of starvation yet the government is picky about the nationality of peace keeping troops…
It is a corrupt, disgusting regime that has no right to impose a prison sentence on anybody that has gone there to help their foetid country while they should be striving to help their own citizens…
They disgust me.
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And they shoot their own in the name of Allah.
F*cking religion!
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And they shoot their own in the name of Allah.
F*cking religion!
And what he said...
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True BM but perceptions dictate all aspects of life. I still cant help wondering if this whole effort by HMG to release this moronic bint wouldnt have happened at all if it wasnt for the fact that the government is embroiled in yet another payment/corruption scandal.
And they shoot their own in the name of Allah.
F*cking religion!
It isnt all that long since we were doing exactly the same thing, the inquisition, the KKK. We are just seeing what would have happened to western religion if it wasnt for the reformation.
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Spot on. The Moslems never had a Reformation. Key point about that was vernacular. All the Mhadrassas (sp?) inculcate memorisation of ancient languages.
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True BM but perceptions dictate all aspects of life. I still cant help wondering if this whole effort by HMG to release this moronic bint wouldnt have happened at all if it wasnt for the fact that the government is embroiled in yet another payment/corruption scandal.
And they shoot their own in the name of Allah.
F*cking religion!
It isnt all that long since we were doing exactly the same thing, the inquisition, the KKK. We are just seeing what would have happened to western religion if it wasnt for the reformation.
HMG's efforts aside the real crime here is that so much time and effort was wasted arresting and prosecuting this woman while one part of the country is suffering the most awful events…
You could argue that HMG would have been better off sending people over to sort out the genocide rather than releasing one woman from jail (or house arrest as it turns out) but that would still be irrelevant…
As I said in earlier posts – this is a disgusting regime in a foetid country – the UK should pull out all aid workers, remove its monetary aid and let them slide back to the dark ages.
As for our own efforts, it is the twenty-first century now and we have seen the error of our ways – that’s the big difference…
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rubschin: I have a query?
I purchased a teddy bear for a tenner today and called it Muhammad, then I sold it for twenty quid, so my question is.
Did I make a prophet???
whistle:
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Groooaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn!
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rubschin: I have a query?
I purchased a teddy bear for a tenner today and called it Muhammad, then I sold it for twenty quid, so my question is.
Did I make a prophet???
whistle:
Toys and soft goods? 50% Gross margin is bearly a prophet. noooo:
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True BM but perceptions dictate all aspects of life. I still cant help wondering if this whole effort by HMG to release this moronic bint wouldnt have happened at all if it wasnt for the fact that the government is embroiled in yet another payment/corruption scandal.
And they shoot their own in the name of Allah.
F*cking religion!
It isnt all that long since we were doing exactly the same thing, the inquisition, the KKK. We are just seeing what would have happened to western religion if it wasnt for the reformation.
HMG's efforts aside the real crime here is that so much time and effort was wasted arresting and prosecuting this woman while one part of the country is suffering the most awful events…
You could argue that HMG would have been better off sending people over to sort out the genocide rather than releasing one woman from jail (or house arrest as it turns out) but that would still be irrelevant…
As I said in earlier posts – this is a disgusting regime in a foetid country – the UK should pull out all aid workers, remove its monetary aid and let them slide back to the dark ages.
As for our own efforts, it is the twenty-first century now and we have seen the error of our ways – that’s the big difference…
You are right, of course. Now if they followed our path to democracy they too could have ten years of Tony Blair, followed by Gordon Brown and that would serve them right!
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True BM but perceptions dictate all aspects of life. I still cant help wondering if this whole effort by HMG to release this moronic bint wouldnt have happened at all if it wasnt for the fact that the government is embroiled in yet another payment/corruption scandal.
And they shoot their own in the name of Allah.
F*cking religion!
It isnt all that long since we were doing exactly the same thing, the inquisition, the KKK. We are just seeing what would have happened to western religion if it wasnt for the reformation.
HMG's efforts aside the real crime here is that so much time and effort was wasted arresting and prosecuting this woman while one part of the country is suffering the most awful events…
You could argue that HMG would have been better off sending people over to sort out the genocide rather than releasing one woman from jail (or house arrest as it turns out) but that would still be irrelevant…
As I said in earlier posts – this is a disgusting regime in a foetid country – the UK should pull out all aid workers, remove its monetary aid and let them slide back to the dark ages.
As for our own efforts, it is the twenty-first century now and we have seen the error of our ways – that’s the big difference…
You are right, of course. Now if they followed our path to democracy they too could have ten years of Tony Blair, followed by Gordon Brown and that would serve them right!
Your point is not without merit.
rubschin: