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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: tel on November 20, 2007, 01:12:04 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm
This is good - give em all your details and they will give them away!
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Revenue and Customs says it does not believe the records - names, addresses and bank accounts - have fallen into the wrong hands.
Northern Rock and now this.
NO, let's trust the Government. I am sure they know what they are doing!
noooo:
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This is quite a precedent!
Civil Servant screws up - Civil Servant resigns.
Very strange indeed. There must be more too it than we are being told.
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Statement not due until 15:30 so we might get told something, just not necessarily the truth.
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I am sure we shall be told the truth. We elected them and we pay them.
Oh, I see redface:
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To be fair, everyone loses somthing at one point or another. Pens, car keys, Nick's marbles. Having said that you woudl think they'd have realised that there was something wrong before 24 million records went walkabout.
Mind you knowing this government you can expect the true number to be much much higher.
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Why were they wandering about with that info on a disc anyway? Why wasn't it on a computer somewhere and not allowed to leave the building?
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Depends on what the information was meant for wemchy. The company I work for won't use FTP sites unless its the secure company one so certain data has to be sent via PGP encrpypted CD or DVD. I may be giving them too much credit but I'd guess it was something similar.
Either that or the government is boosting its income by flogging personal information on the QT.
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It appears that a junior official in Tyne and Wear was asked for details of all child benefit (the old Family Allowance) recipients by the National Audit office and sent them via TNT, unregistered, on two CDs. This was not the first time this has been done apparently only this time they failed to arrive. The Chancellor says that although he has known about this since the 10th of Nov he only got round to asking the Met to investigate on the 16th. He also says that the two CDs are "password protected". The details on them are the names and addresses of every qualifying child (ie every child under the age of 16 in the UK) as well as the name, benefit number National insurance number and full bank account details of the parents or guardians who receive the money (ie the bank details and Nat Ins number, address etc of some 8.5 million people)
And they want us to trust them with ID card information on computers. I wouldn't trust them with looking after a whelk stall.
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This is seriously scarey eeek:. Minister on the radio lying about it, naturally! evil:
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Depends on what the information was meant for wemchy. The company I work for won't use FTP sites unless its the secure company one so certain data has to be sent via PGP encrpypted CD or DVD. I may be giving them too much credit but I'd guess it was something similar.
Either that or the government is boosting its income by flogging personal information on the QT.
Sorry to disappoint you but the already do that. For a small sum you can buy the personal details of anyone that is a Driving Licence holder or Registered Vehicle Keeper.
For some 'special' companies, they do it wholesale, and let them look at the DVLA records for themselves via a 'secure' computer link. ::)
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Good interview on R4 this morning with Darling… hopefully the odious tosser is on his way out… cool14:
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Don't know what you are all worried about - the Government is not that stupid - the discs are password protected. It is bound to be something completely illogical like C.H.I.L.D.B.E.N.E.F.I.T.
No fraudster could ever compete with that level of secuirty.
So all - rest you weary heads, don't worry about checking your bank accounts - there is invariably nothing in mine to check anyway, and pass another croissant round as the breakfast club is quite hungry this morning. lol:
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Good interview on R4 this morning with Darling… hopefully the odious tosser is on his way out… cool14:
Any Chancellor who can't afford to have his eyebrows bleached evokes deep suspicion in me.
Burn him I say.
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Good interview on R4 this morning with Darling… hopefully the odious tosser is on his way out… cool14:
Any Chancellor who can't afford to have his eyebrows bleached evokes deep suspicion in me.
Burn him I say.
Agreed...
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Depends on what the information was meant for wemchy. The company I work for won't use FTP sites unless its the secure company one so certain data has to be sent via PGP encrpypted CD or DVD. I may be giving them too much credit but I'd guess it was something similar.
Either that or the government is boosting its income by flogging personal information on the QT.
Sorry to disappoint you but the already do that. For a small sum you can buy the personal details of anyone that is a Driving Licence holder or Registered Vehicle Keeper.
For some 'special' companies, they do it wholesale, and let them look at the DVLA records for themselves via a 'secure' computer link. ::)
Yeah Yeah ~ we know that.
BUT
All the DVLA have of record are my car registration details, my name, address, DoB and details of any points I may have accrued for driving offences ~ some of which anyone buying the info from them must already have before they can do a look up. IE My name/Address or Vehicle Reg must be fed in to gain access to the rest of the info.
The DVLA do not hold my bank account details nor the full names and ages/Dates of Birth/ National Insurance Numbers and National Health Numbers of me, my wife and my three children.
That is the difference.
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Depends on what the information was meant for wemchy. The company I work for won't use FTP sites unless its the secure company one so certain data has to be sent via PGP encrpypted CD or DVD. I may be giving them too much credit but I'd guess it was something similar.
Either that or the government is boosting its income by flogging personal information on the QT.
Sorry to disappoint you but the already do that. For a small sum you can buy the personal details of anyone that is a Driving Licence holder or Registered Vehicle Keeper.
For some 'special' companies, they do it wholesale, and let them look at the DVLA records for themselves via a 'secure' computer link. ::)
Yeah Yeah ~ we know that.
BUT
All the DVLA have of record are my car registration details, my name, address, DoB and details of any points I may have accrued for driving offences ~ some of which anyone buying the info from them must already have before they can do a look up. IE My name/Address or Vehicle Reg must be fed in to gain access to the rest of the info.
The DVLA do not hold my bank account details nor the full names and ages/Dates of Birth/ National Insurance Numbers and National Health Numbers of me, my wife and my three children.
That is the difference.
happ096
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Some lawyer bloke on the news last night reckons we could sue for breach of the data protection act
also, my sister in law is the manager of a bank and she told me last night that they knew nothing about it, so much for the banks being informed ahead of yesterdays statement
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Seems they may not have even left the building.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1293706,00.html
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Found them! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/child-benefit-cd-x-2-millions-of-personal-details_W0QQitemZ130176357093QQihZ003QQcategoryZ47103QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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drumroll:
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happy001
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Looks like the government are going to pull their usual trick of blaming a junior office clerk for "not following procedures" - the buck stops at the bottom in this country, it seems. What they fail to mention is this is the third time this year HMRC have sent NAO this data in this way; this is just the first time it got lost.
I wonder if Mr Darling will quote Edith Piaf?
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I am waiting for Darling to resign. I fear I may have to wait a long time.
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Like Sir Ian Blair, I suspect mr Darling will have to be dragged kicking and screaming from his particular trough.
What I can't understand is why Ed Balls (fka "the real chancellor of the exchequer") wasn't given this post.
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That is a mystery, I agree. He knows SFA about education.
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Depends on what the information was meant for wemchy. The company I work for won't use FTP sites unless its the secure company one so certain data has to be sent via PGP encrpypted CD or DVD. I may be giving them too much credit but I'd guess it was something similar.
Either that or the government is boosting its income by flogging personal information on the QT.
Sorry to disappoint you but the already do that. For a small sum you can buy the personal details of anyone that is a Driving Licence holder or Registered Vehicle Keeper.
For some 'special' companies, they do it wholesale, and let them look at the DVLA records for themselves via a 'secure' computer link. ::)
Yeah Yeah ~ we know that.
BUT
All the DVLA have of record are my car registration details, my name, address, DoB and details of any points I may have accrued for driving offences ~ some of which anyone buying the info from them must already have before they can do a look up. IE My name/Address or Vehicle Reg must be fed in to gain access to the rest of the info.
The DVLA do not hold my bank account details nor the full names and ages/Dates of Birth/ National Insurance Numbers and National Health Numbers of me, my wife and my three children.
That is the difference.
Once again you grasp the wrong end of the stick.
1. I was replying to the observation that the government might not be above selling personal information.
2. What information is held by DVLA is an Official Secret and may be a lot more embracing that you think. It certainly will be after the ID integration of
data.
3. An example, A wealthy individual is observed collecting their child at a boarding school, Their name and address is gleaned from the records, the
house is
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Seems they may not have even left the building.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1293706,00.html
I'm just waiting for the next phase where the disks are 'found' to be safely stored somewhere and not duplicates made to cover some MP's worthless arse.
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Seems they may not have even left the building.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1293706,00.html
I'm just waiting for the next phase where the disks are 'found' to be safely stored somewhere and not duplicates made to cover some MP's worthless arse.
Maybe you mean some PM's worthless arse... Other than that I think you are spot on the money.
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A colleague of mine phoned their bank about this to attempt to secure his account (obviously has money in it) and was told to try another company. On phoning them he was told there was a £12 charge to protect his money. Brilliant!
I've checked the wife's statement and their appears to be some strange activity on there, The Body Shop £83?
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Found them! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/child-benefit-cd-x-2-millions-of-personal-details_W0QQitemZ130176357093QQihZ003QQcategoryZ47103QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Nope gone now!!!
HMRC data breach fiasco disks appear on eBay
At least somebody has a sense of humour about the absolute farce of the UK Government losing discs holding the personal details of 25 million UK citizens. Including their bank account details.
The discs briefly appeared on eBay listed as "Two CD-R's - Have data on them - some sort of database". I think it's a really nice touch that "The seller ended this listing early because the item was lost or broken."
I suppose you've got to laugh, really. Or maybe cry. That Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs managed to compromise the names, addresses and national insurance numbers of half the people in the country is compounded by the fact that bank and building society details were linked to those people. What was HMRC thinking? Obviously not much.
It really calls into doubt the competence of the government, or anyone else, to administer the ID Cards Scheme. Honestly, does the government really expect us to trust it with all of our personal information, as well as our biometrics, handily kept in one place -- the National Identity Register?
Public trust over the data-handling capabilities of the government will rightly be shaken over the HMRC fiasco, and I hope it will get people questioning about whether ID Cards will actually be secure, and necessary.
http://community.zdnet.co.uk/sentry-posts-blog/#10006530
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Nonsense, the government is doing a fine job.
They have managed to smash all known failure targets and have comfortably exceeded them to provide a serious challenge to any others that fancy a shot at getting rich Er... - I mean running the country.
Besides, they won't lose my details, I'm not giving them to them.
I will demand a signed declaration from the Cabinet Secretary that if I provide my details and subsequently 'mislay' them then they will compensate me in cash to the tune of two million pounds to cover any losses I may suffer.
If they won't provide any guarantees, then I won't be able to trust them with my confidential data. Let a Judge pick the bones out of that.
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Wouldn't work Bouncer, the government are making it illegal not to provide details.
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I see someone was selling them on e-bay yesterday lol:
he then withdrew the sale saying he'd lost them.. whistle:
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I see someone was selling them on e-bay yesterday lol:
he then withdrew the sale saying he'd lost them.. whistle:
See reply #19 on this very thread... ::)
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can't be arsed to read them all.. whistle:
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noooo: This just gets worse...
Six more data discs 'are missing'
HM Revenue and Customs has confirmed that a further six data discs have gone missing in transit between its offices in Preston and London.
The discs, transported by courier company TNT, contained recorded conversations between a member of staff and a customer making a complaint.
They were reported missing on the 30 October, HMRC said.
Timeline: Child benefits records loss
Two CDs containing personal details of 25m people have been lost by HM Revenue and Customs. Here is how the crisis unfolded.
MARCH 2007
A junior official at HM Revenue and Customs gives the National Audit Office a full copy of HMRC's child benefit data, in breach of security procedures. That information is later safely returned.
SEPTEMBER
Records of about 15,000 people's details go missing after being sent by HMRC to Standard Life. Also in September, a laptop containing around 400 ISA (individual savings accounts) customers' details is stolen.
18 OCTOBER
Child benefit data is again sent to the NAO by a junior official, using the courier company TNT, which operates the HMRC's post system. The package containing two CDs, containing details of 25 million individuals, is not recorded or registered and fails to arrive.
24 OCTOBER
The NAO tells HMRC it has not received the package. An HMRC spokeswoman said the official believed it may have been delayed by the postal strikes or in the NAO's office move and did not report it. A second copy is sent, again in breach of procedures, but this time it is sent by registered post and arrives safely.
8 NOVEMBER
Senior HMRC management are informed that the 18 October package is missing.
10 NOVEMBER
Alistair Darling is informed and tells Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Mr Darling orders an immediate investigation and searches of all premises where the package might be, as well as action to ensure it does not happen again.
12 NOVEMBER
Mr Darling is told by HMRC that evidence has been found which might help to find the missing package.
14 NOVEMBER
The chancellor decides the HMRC searches have failed and tells HMRC chairman Paul Gray to call in the Metropolitan Police.
15 NOVEMBER
The chancellor goes to Information Commissioner Richard Thomas, who agrees that remedial action must be taken before a public statement is made.
12-18 NOVEMBER
Mr Gray tells Mr Darling he feels he should resign. The chancellor seeks the advice of the Financial Services Authority and Serious Organised Crime Agency, while banks are alerted by HMRC.
20 NOVEMBER
Mr Gray resigns following an announcement that Mr Darling is to make a statement to the House of Commons. The chancellor outlines what has happened and announces an investigation of HMRC's security procedures by PricewaterhouseCoopers chairman Kieran Poynter, alongside the Independent Police Complaints Commission, which monitors the HMRC.
21 NOVEMBER
Prime Minister Gordon Brown apologises for the "inconvenience and worries" caused and orders security checks on all government departments. The Conservatives produce e-mails they say show senior HMRC officials approved the downloading of the entire Child Benefit register - including bank details - on to discs to save cash.
22 NOVEMBER
HMRC writes to seven million families to reassure them that the missing data is "likely to still be on government property". The government denies the personal data was put on to discs at the request of senior officials.
::) Well thats alright then...
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I just heard this on the news... how many more do you think? noooo:
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Oh add in the odd 40 plus lap-tops that they have "lost" plus this afternoon's announcement that many more discs have gone missing over the years, "we also use DX Couriers and the Post Office ............ so can't be entirely sure which company we may have handed them to .........." whistle:
Roughly translated they seem to be saying "Whoops ~ we've been found out .... but most of us don't give a flying fvck anyway 'cos we can just resign and take our gold plated pensions".
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Using my powers of deduction, I've worked out whose got these missing disks.
On the run up to Christmas, who would be interested in the age, the name and the address of every child in Britain?
You got it!
Father Christmas!!
HO HO HO!
Rawk
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. . . who would be interested in the age, the name and the address of every child in Britain?
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsimg.bbc.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2F44021000%2Fjpg%2F_44021830_chris_langhampa300.jpg&hash=58e1cc62b9d8e31d68a6b3cfb7971e1e737e3dff)
Seems to have printed it out as well.
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Using my powers of deduction, I've worked out whose got these missing disks.
On the run up to Christmas, who would be interested in the age, the name and the address of every child in Britain?
You got it!
Father Christmas!!
HO HO HO!
Rawk
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;D
lol:
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. . . who would be interested in the age, the name and the address of every child in Britain?
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Seems to have printed it out as well.
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You beat Berek to it!