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Title: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 11, 2007, 04:41:10 PM
I think we know how to use it now so?

?I have reset everybody to zero.  whistle:

No cheating Wench!  noooo:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 11, 2007, 05:04:33 PM
I think we know how to use it now so?

?I have reset everybody to zero.  whistle:

Prepare for a new era of Willy Waving. rubschin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2007, 05:10:01 PM
 tunble:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 11, 2007, 06:10:18 PM
I smote DS drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 11, 2007, 06:32:12 PM
I smote DS drumroll:
I expect nothing else. confused:

If you are trying to distract me while your accomplice steals my wheels, you failed. ;)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 11, 2007, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: Barman link=topic=189. msg1763#msg1763 date=1178901670
I think we know how to use it now so?

?I have reset everybody to zero.   whistle:

No cheating Wench!  noooo:

Not fair,  I'm new so don't know how to!!!! confused:

Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2007, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: Barman link=topic=189. msg1763#msg1763 date=1178901670
I think we know how to use it now so?

?I have reset everybody to zero.   whistle:

No cheating Wench!  noooo:

Not fair,  I'm new so don't know how to!!!! confused:



Only Admin can cheat and they wouldn't  whistle:
Meanwhile once you reach ten posts you can used the applaud and smite buttons and the range of emoticons.
Meantime you have to make do with words.
Fancy a pint?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 11, 2007, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Snoopy link=topic=189. msg1797#msg1797 date=1178912396
Quote from: ice and a slice link=topic=189. msg1792#msg1792 date=1178911159
Quote from: Barman link=topic=189.  msg1763#msg1763 date=1178901670
I think we know how to use it now so?

?I have reset everybody to zero.    whistle:

No cheating Wench!  noooo:

Not fair,  I'm new so don't know how to!!!! confused:



Only Admin can cheat and they wouldn't  whistle:
Meanwhile once you reach ten posts you can used the applaud and smite buttons and the range of emoticons.
Meantime you have to make do with words.
Fancy a pint?

Ahhhh!!

I just thought the smileys were going wrong!!!

Pint of champers - thanks   ;D
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 11, 2007, 08:15:26 PM
9 posts
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 11, 2007, 08:15:46 PM
10 posts. . . . . . . .
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 11, 2007, 08:17:24 PM
Testing testing.......   whistle:   eyes:    rubschin:   
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 11, 2007, 08:18:34 PM
Yay....  (just ignore me I'll go away in a minute)   :) :'( thumbsup: thumbsdown: eyes: tunble:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 05:20:54 AM
Yay....  (just ignore me I'll go away in a minute)   :) :'( thumbsup: thumbsdown: eyes: tunble:
I?ve applauded your persistence!  ;D

But who smote me down to -3 ? I wasn?t even here!  sad24:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 12, 2007, 09:43:44 AM
I found this crumpled up note in the basket by the door....

 tunble:                   point:                confused1:  whip:                         


I smote the Barman drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 09:45:45 AM
I found this crumpled up note in the basket by the door....

 tunble:                   point:                confused1:  whip:                         


I smote the Barman drumroll:

I just did it again! drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 12, 2007, 09:58:45 AM

Ooooh!      eeek:  scared:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 10:15:02 AM
-5 now bastards!  cussing:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 10:22:35 AM
Hang on.
Nick isn't 'admin' is he? So how bloody come he had 4999 karmas showing yeterday ey? rubschin:
'Apples for teachers' spring to mind you slithery old toad. boxing
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 10:25:59 AM
Hang on.
Nick isn't 'admin' is he? So how bloody come he had 4999 karmas showing yeterday ey? rubschin:
'Apples for teachers' spring to mind you slithery old toad. boxing
I believe a brown envelope was involved? I can?t say who received it but I note that a certain Wench is off this weekend ? shopping probably.  noooo:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 10:28:13 AM
Hang on.
Nick isn't 'admin' is he? So how bloody come he had 4999 karmas showing yeterday ey? rubschin:
'Apples for teachers' spring to mind you slithery old toad. boxing
I believe a brown envelope was involved? I can?t say who received it but I note that a certain Wench is off this weekend ? shopping probably.  noooo:

Cahoots ey?
My suspicions are confirmed.

What's the crack then NICHOLAS? rubschin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 12, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
The last one to reach -100 is a lickspittle. spider:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 11:10:49 AM
The last one to reach -100 is a lickspittle. spider:

My pleasure.
You're on your way.
Only 98 hours to go. lol:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 11:12:07 AM
Hey, when I smote Growler he lost 2 points rather than 1!! drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 11:13:46 AM
Hey, when I smote Growler he lost 2 points rather than 1!! drumroll:

Just about sums my life up ey/

Why did you smitten me then anyway ey?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 11:14:46 AM
Just felt like it! And because I could! bom
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
The last one to reach -100 is a lickspittle. spider:
What does the first one get? I?m well on the way with -6 now? Probably -7 by the time I?ve posted this.  cussing:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 11:46:22 AM
Your wish is my command drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 11:54:47 AM
Your wish is my command drumroll:
Bugger...  surrender:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 12:03:36 PM
Just felt like it! And because I could! bom

You ARE, basically and simply then, just a bit of a twat  ey? rubschin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 12:04:33 PM
No, just at a loose end before I have to go to Tesco!
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 12:05:22 PM
Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours.


What's all THIS shite then ey? ::)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 12:06:35 PM
It is a way of making you patient.












Or infuriated! drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 12:08:12 PM
No, just at a loose end before I have to go to Tesco!


"HAVE to go"  eeek:


What pray, is the use of 'avin' a dog, so to speak, and barkin' yourself? noooo:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
It is a way of making you patient.










Or infuriated! drumroll:


DON'T do 'patient'
My patience has well got up and gone. evil:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 12:10:03 PM
Tesco gets me out of the house! sad24:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 12:12:19 PM
Tesco gets me out of the house! sad24:


Point taken and noted.  rubschin:
I'm going back to Asda then.

Do they sell gelignite?  evil:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 12:13:49 PM
Ask softly at Customer Services and mention my name. whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 12:21:04 PM
Ask softly at Customer Services and mention my name. whistle:

don't do softly anymore either. evil:

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Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 12, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
I see!  Upset Nick at your peril then, is it?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 01:26:39 PM
-9 now ? why???  cussing:

Oh well, at least Bar Wench will give me the clap on Monday.  whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2007, 02:14:17 PM
11 actually, and like our current bloody barometric pressure....falling. point:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Berek on May 12, 2007, 02:17:56 PM
perhaps the barman would get a better karma if he cleaned his pipes more often  eyes: eyes: eyes:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 02:59:51 PM
Minus bastard twelve!  Angry9:

If you lot don?t watch out I?ll be putting a lot more than cleaning fluid down the pipes!  rubschin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 12, 2007, 04:59:09 PM
Sez -15 where I'm looking.... point:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 05:03:44 PM
Sez -15 where I'm looking.... point:
sad24:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 12, 2007, 05:13:02 PM
Sez -15 where I'm looking.... point:

 sad24:

You can tell you are surrounded by friends when nobody wants to give you a dose of the clap.
Or don't you see it in quite that way?
 :)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 07:43:18 PM
No!  noooo:

Still, nobody has cracked a karma, karma, karma, karma, karma, chameleon joke yet so things could be worse I suppose?  whistle:

I hate Boy George - 'would you like to hurt me?' - oh yes mate.  point:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 07:44:46 PM
I SMITE you
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 12, 2007, 07:48:14 PM
I SMITE you
Touch?  ::)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 13, 2007, 06:17:34 PM
OK so who smited me 5 times????

Just settling in here.  A girl could get a complex!

Bikini Girl gets more applauses, maybe if I get my tits out too and ditch the bear?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 13, 2007, 06:21:12 PM
Bikini Girl gets more applauses, maybe if I get my tits out too and ditch the bear?
Bare the ditch and you might get even more.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 13, 2007, 06:27:57 PM
and only if I hitch the pair....
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 13, 2007, 06:31:46 PM
and only if I hitch the pair....
... and twitch the lair.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 13, 2007, 07:59:35 PM
OK so who smited me 5 times????

Just settling in here.  A girl could get a complex!

Bikini Girl gets more applauses, maybe if I get my tits out too and ditch the bear?
I?ve applauded you for the mere hint of getting your tits out? +50 for the real thing.   whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 13, 2007, 09:06:19 PM
OK so who smited me 5 times????

Just settling in here.  A girl could get a complex!

Bikini Girl gets more applauses, maybe if I get my tits out too and ditch the bear?
I?ve applauded you for the mere hint of getting your tits out? +50 for the real thing.   whistle:

here's a nice pair (50 applauses??)



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Title: Re: Karma
Post by: GROWLER on May 13, 2007, 09:08:50 PM
Becoming an infatuation this Karma clickin' now. lol:

Just how low can you go? rubschin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 13, 2007, 11:16:41 PM
Becoming an infatuation this Karma clickin' now. lol:

Just how low can you go? rubschin:


point:  He's set his alarm clock to go off every hour and a minute all night....  I wonder why?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 14, 2007, 04:53:56 AM
OK so who smited me 5 times????

Just settling in here.  A girl could get a complex!

Bikini Girl gets more applauses, maybe if I get my tits out too and ditch the bear?
I?ve applauded you for the mere hint of getting your tits out? +50 for the real thing.   whistle:

here's a nice pair (50 applauses??)


noooo: Check your karma...
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 14, 2007, 04:56:15 AM
Becoming an infatuation this Karma clickin' now. lol:

Just how low can you go? rubschin:
Keep looking at mine ? I think your question will soon be answered?  noooo:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bar Wench on May 14, 2007, 07:41:10 AM
You sneaky toad! You knew I'd be cross so you waited until I'd left!

Smite you for that!
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 14, 2007, 07:56:52 AM
You sneaky toad! You knew I'd be cross so you waited until I'd left!

Smite you for that!
Sticks and stones may break my bones but smites do not affect me.  sad24:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 14, 2007, 10:36:38 AM
The last one to reach -100 is a lickspittle. spider:
Hehehehe? I?ve got this in the bag?  whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2007, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: Barman link=topic=189. msg2317#msg2317 date=1179138998
Quote from: Darwins Selection link=topic=189. msg1867#msg1867 date=1178967980
The last one to reach -100 is a lickspittle.  spider:
Hehehehe? I?ve got this in the bag?  whistle:

Quick someone start applauding him so we can keep him around the 50 mark  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 14, 2007, 06:54:39 PM
He's probably smiting himself round the back when we're not looking. eeek:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 14, 2007, 07:03:01 PM
He's probably smiting himself round the back when we're not looking. eeek:

Ooops I 'accidently' knocked another one off.      scared2:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 15, 2007, 04:56:54 AM
I?ve decided it is a sign of your love and affection for me ? I may even stop peeing in the beer?  happy088

PS I have not been giving myself one round the back!  happy001
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 20, 2007, 09:42:02 AM
Yay! I win, I win, I win ? I am NOT A LICKSPITTLE!  cloud9:

Um, that?s good isn?t it?  redface:



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Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 20, 2007, 12:38:11 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 20, 2007, 01:52:33 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
I?d seen through your cunning plan? I suspect you may have forgotten to make Icy aware of it?   whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 20, 2007, 03:19:31 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
I?d seen through your cunning plan? I suspect you may have forgotten to make Icy aware of it?   whistle:

oops  whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 20, 2007, 03:46:42 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
I?d seen through your cunning plan? I suspect you may have forgotten to make Icy aware of it?   whistle:

oops  whistle:
I'll give you the clap for that...  ;)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on May 20, 2007, 04:00:10 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
I?d seen through your cunning plan? I suspect you may have forgotten to make Icy aware of it?   whistle:

oops  whistle:
I'll give you the clap for that...  ;)

Lucky girl   ::)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on May 20, 2007, 05:07:59 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
I?d seen through your cunning plan? I suspect you may have forgotten to make Icy aware of it?   whistle:

oops  whistle:
I'll give you the clap for that...  ;)

Lucky girl   ::)

Yes I've always wanted the clap. 8)

PS wasn't me this time!
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on May 20, 2007, 06:21:00 PM
DAMN!

Who did that?  You were supposed to sit eternally at -99

Nick?
I?d seen through your cunning plan? I suspect you may have forgotten to make Icy aware of it?   whistle:

oops  whistle:
I'll give you the clap for that...  ;)

Lucky girl   ::)

Yes I've always wanted the clap. 8)

PS wasn't me this time!
You?ve come to just the right place?  point:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on June 04, 2007, 03:09:59 PM
I've been smoted to -101 now...  cussing:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on June 04, 2007, 06:33:08 PM
No still on 99 - dodgy computer admin tyoe setting I think!  Never to be 100%!
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 04, 2007, 06:38:08 PM
There was a rumour a while ago that if a member's karma reaches -100 they are taken to Wenchy's dungeon for chastisement. I suspect that in Barman's case Wenchy is frantically applauding him to make sure it never reaches the magic number  drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on June 04, 2007, 06:48:22 PM
Poor Wenchy - you can always just bind and gag and leave him an some dark alleyway if it reaches the magic number.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 04, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
Poor Wenchy - you can always just bind and gag and leave him an some dark alleyway if it reaches the magic number.
Even if it doesn't . . . . .
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on June 04, 2007, 06:54:13 PM
Way hay!

Lets hear it for bondage!
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2007, 06:29:42 AM
Way hay!

Lets hear it for bondage!
eeek:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on June 05, 2007, 07:33:57 AM
Way hay!

Lets hear it for bondage!
eeek:

Oops sorry - what I meant to say was bandage.  You'l need it after wench has finished with you lol:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bar Wench on June 05, 2007, 09:16:49 AM
 sex014 fence: ec; diepig: boxing

The cellar is ready for him!  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Snoopy on June 05, 2007, 09:18:01 AM
Let's stick with the bondage shall we?  whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2007, 09:21:36 AM
Poor me.... I have a hangover too...  sad24:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: tel on June 05, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
How negative can it get?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 05, 2007, 09:42:13 AM
I have a hangover too.

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She will fix that for you as well.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2007, 09:42:45 AM
How negative can it get?
Zillions...  noooo:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: ice and a slice on June 05, 2007, 11:25:38 AM
I have a hangover too.

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She will fix that for you as well.


 sick2:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 05, 2007, 11:36:12 AM
sex014 fence: ec; diepig: boxing

The cellar is ready for him!  eveilgrin:




I'd be careful there Wenchy, for all you know he secretly enjoys it......  eyes:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bar Wench on June 05, 2007, 11:54:17 AM
 scared:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on June 06, 2007, 03:23:06 PM
I've been smoted to -101 now...  cussing:

Don't fret.  You have a guardian angel.    angel1
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 06, 2007, 03:28:09 PM
Are you sure the guardian angel isn't Wenchy's though  whistle:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Misunderstood on June 06, 2007, 03:34:27 PM
Are you sure the guardian agnelt isn't Wenchy's though  whistle:

I'm not sure of anything on this board.     rubschin:


It's spooky, with invisible karma whizzing around all over like on-line bank accounts.....  surrender:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Barman on June 06, 2007, 03:43:20 PM
I've been smoted to -101 now...  cussing:

Don't fret.  You have a guardian angel.    angel1
Thanks you!  cloud9:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bar Wench on June 07, 2007, 02:57:57 PM
The angel is mine!  cussing: angel1
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 07, 2007, 03:02:23 PM
The angel is mine!  angel1
Oops!

I didn't realise it was meant to be an angel.

I thought it was an Oompah Loompah. redface:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bar Wench on June 07, 2007, 03:14:50 PM
 cussing:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Snoopy on June 07, 2007, 03:18:47 PM
 happy001 happy001 happy001 point:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Bar Wench on June 07, 2007, 03:23:14 PM
I have smote you both, I am most displeased.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 07, 2007, 04:04:45 PM
The angel is mine!  angel1
Oops!

I didn't realise it was meant to be an angel.

I thought it was an Oompah Loompah. redface:

I thought they were orange Darwin. Perhaps its a munchkin instead  drumroll:
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 07, 2007, 04:56:42 PM
The angel is mine!  angel1
Oops!

I didn't realise it was meant to be an angel.

I thought it was an Oompah Loompah. redface:

I thought they were orange Darwin. Perhaps its a munchkin instead  drumroll:

I defer to your greater depth of knowledge. worthy:

I merely remembered they were a funny colour and had protruding tufts of white hair.

Possibly well suited to being TV presenters?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Snoopy on June 07, 2007, 05:09:57 PM
Munchkins

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Oompa loompa

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Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 07, 2007, 05:25:09 PM
Munchkins

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Oompa loompa

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Apart from the orange vs purple question, I stand by my original assessment. angel1