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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Steve on October 29, 2022, 01:40:29 PM
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So an alt right Qanon following, Anti Vax nutjob called David DePape goes seeking to kill Nancy Pelosi and frustrated tries to kill her husband instead using a hammer leaving him hospitalised needing brain surgery.
And what do we hear from the Kevin McCarthys, the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps and even Fox News that have fueled him with their toxic mix of lies and hate? A mx of nothing or blaming it on the Democrats for daring to not share their views and certainly no sympathy for the Pelosis
What a fucked up world these people are trying to create.
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Depape also had a long history of drug abuse, listed himself in voting records as a member of the Green party, was part of a nudist activist group, used to live with the infamous Gypsy Taub and had his own business making hemp jewellery so not an average alt right nutjob. I also can't think of anyone on the alt right who would have a pride flag flying in front of their house
https://mobile.twitter.com/jvanderbeken/status/1586111590188732416
Personally it sounds more like he was someone with serious mental health issues that have been made worse over the years by heavy drug use who gravitated towards the anti establishment conspiracy theorist crowd, a number of whom were known to associate with Taub. Given just how polarized the country is at the moment, the bile and rhetoric from BOTH sides of the fence, the scale of the mental health problems in San Francisco and New York something like this was going to end up happening sooner or later. Oh and before anyone says anything I am by no means condoning this attack, something like this should never be condoned.
One last thing I will point out. A few years ago when Rand Paul was attacked and almost murdered, leaving him with multiple broken ribs and having to have part of his lung removed, Christine Pelosi supported his attacker saying he was right to have carried out the act.
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::) Christine Pelosi is not Nancy Pelosi and that poor tweet 3 years AFTER Rand Paul was attacked in no way could be seen as inciting that assault.
Kevin McCarthy however actively incited people to attack Nacy Pelosi with hammer like weapons
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Just so we are clear here, are you saying that McCarthy specifically incited people to attack Nancy Pelosi with a hammer or hammer like weapon? If so then why hasn't he been arrested?
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Just so we are clear here, are you saying that McCarthy specifically incited people to attack Nancy Pelosi with a hammer or hammer like weapon? If so then why hasn't he been arrested?
he said he'd want to hit her with a gavel
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So you are saying that something he said as a joke at a fundraising event over a year ago after being given an oversized novelty gavel was intentional incitement to Depape directly causing the attack?
Ok, then going by your standards Maxine Waters is directly responsible for the lives lost and billions of dollars in damage caused by the riots after her speech which WAS incitement as is Pelosi herself who stated in an interview that she didn't understand why there hadn't been an insurrection already.
The difference is that McCarthy's comment, repugnant as it was, was made in jest. The others I've given examples of were made seriously.
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Just so we are clear here, are you saying that McCarthy specifically incited people to attack Nancy Pelosi with a hammer or hammer like weapon? If so then why hasn't he been arrested?
he said he'd want to hit her with a gavel
happy001
Oh Steve! lol:
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So an alt right Qanon following, Anti Vax nutjob called David DePape goes seeking to kill Nancy Pelosi and frustrated tries to kill her husband instead using a hammer leaving him hospitalised needing brain surgery.
And what do we hear from the Kevin McCarthys, the Tucker Carlsons and Donald Trumps and even Fox News that have fueled him with their toxic mix of lies and hate? A mx of nothing or blaming it on the Democrats for daring to not share their views and certainly no sympathy for the Pelosis
What a fucked up world these people are trying to create.
Of course, that Nice Mr. Biden hasn't said anything divisive recently at all has he...? rubschin:
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It's a miracle it hasn't happened sooner and also a mriacle that the twat only had a hammer and not a gun.
The idiots who fell for Tump felt able to go full racist, angry, and since, and leading up to, January 6th are a dangerous mob, The genie is out of the bottle and even if Trump goes to prison, as he well deserves, this will not end anytime soon. It beggars belief that morons like Greene, Boebert, Gosar, De Santis et al can actually get elected by spewing hate and stupidity.
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It's a miracle it hasn't happened sooner and also a mriacle that the twat only had a hammer and not a gun.
The idiots who fell for Tump felt able to go full racist, angry, and since, and leading up to, January 6th are a dangerous mob, The genie is out of the bottle and even if Trump goes to prison, as he well deserves, this will not end anytime soon. It beggars belief that morons like Greene, Boebert, Gosar, De Santis et al can actually get elected by spewing hate and stupidity.
Of course, that Nice Mr. Biden hasn't said anything divisive recently at all has he...? rubschin:
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Just so we are clear here, are you saying that McCarthy specifically incited people to attack Nancy Pelosi with a hammer or hammer like weapon? If so then why hasn't he been arrested?
because he didn't specifically incite, he and those lying manipulators like Carlson I'm not being allowed to expose here, have generally incited
You treat those hate merchants like heroes if you wish
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I'm not treating anyone like a hero, I actually looked up the news coverage from both sides of the political spectrum and took my view on McCarthy's comment from there. Even you have to admit there is a hell of a difference between his making a joke in extremely poor taste during a fundraiser and Maxine Waters calling for direct confrontation of members of Trump's cabinet. Be honest here, if it had been a republican making that speech about members of the Biden administration you would have been up in arms saying here was proof that the GOP were trying to incite violence.
And that's not even mentioning Biden's constant comments about 70 million voters being a direct threat to democracy because they chose to vote for Trump, not to mention permitting actions such as the DOJ categorising parents who had genuine concerns about what their children were being taught in schools as domestic terrorists.
You can stand on your soapbox and rant to the heavens that it's all the fault of Trump and the GOP as much as you want but anyone with a wider view can see that there is fault on BOTH sides.
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And your sources for those fanciful accusations are just what?
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And your sources for those fanciful accusations are just what?
Does it matter...? rubschin:
You simply dismiss out of hand (and refuse to watch/read) anything that contradicts the World view of your own preferred media... ::)
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And your sources for those fanciful accusations are just what?
Does it matter...? rubschin:
You simply dismiss out of hand (and refuse to watch/read) anything that contradicts the World view of your own preferred media... ::)
Meister has made some very big allegations in that post. Either he can back them with sources of provenance or he can't. So I've asked a fair question to see if there is any real backing.
Cue another false post and thread locked?
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Interesting https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-deletes-tweet-with-unfounded-theory-about-pelosi-attack-2022-10-30/
'Twitter's new owner Elon Musk appeared to have deleted a tweet posted on Sunday referencing an unfounded theory regarding the attack on the husband of U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi at their San Francisco home.'
It was an article in the junk grade Santa Monica Observer that Alt Righters have lapped up.
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And your sources for those fanciful accusations are just what?
The well known right wing news broadcaster that is CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/biden-warns-trumps-extreme-maga-republicans-are-a-danger-to-us-democracy.html
Chuck Grassley's letters to Merrick Garland regarding the domestic terrorism issue.
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/judiciary-republicans-to-garland-are-concerned-parents-domestic-terrorists-or-not
Now I know that Steve is going to roll his eyes at me referencing the Daily Mail but they are Newsguard certified, as are most of the news sources I get information from.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10391397/Biden-education-secretary-solicited-National-School-Boards-letter-comparing-parents-terrorists.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/doj-talked-with-white-house-before-issuing-domestic-terrorism-school-protest-memo
Musk's tweet may have referenced an unfounded theory but the more I think about it there is something about this attack that just doesn't add up. As speaker of the house Pelosi is currently third in the line of succession for the Presidency so both she and her immediate family would have significant security measures in place, both private and through the secret service. Yet a mentally unbalanced man wearing nothing but their underwear was able to somehow able to waltz through an exclusive area of San Francisco, avoid the security details and cameras and break into the back door of her home in such a way that it appears in the photographs that the broken glass fell on the outside of the building? Lets not forget, the idiot who was all set to try and assassinate Brett Kavanaugh took one look at their security detail and gave himself up.
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And your sources for those fanciful accusations are just what?
Does it matter...? rubschin:
You simply dismiss out of hand (and refuse to watch/read) anything that contradicts the World view of your own preferred media... ::)
Meister has made some very big allegations in that post. Either he can back them with sources of provenance or he can't. So I've asked a fair question to see if there is any real backing.
Cue another false post and thread locked?
The point is he can back them up but you won't accept it... ::)
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happy001
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And your sources for those fanciful accusations are just what?
The well known right wing news broadcaster that is CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/biden-warns-trumps-extreme-maga-republicans-are-a-danger-to-us-democracy.html . . .
OK lets take the first of your allegations:
. . .And that's not even mentioning Biden's constant comments about 70 million voters being a direct threat to democracy because they chose to vote for Trump . .
That link of yours says Biden very much did not. It says only that a niche subset of Republicans are with that "Trump’s extreme MAGA Republicans are ‘clear and present danger’ to U.S. democracy"
Not constant comments
Not 70 million voters, not even close
And with their attacks on the Capitol, their gerrymandering and restricting voting rights they are.
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And now the second one
Here's your original assertion: . . .And that's not even mentioning Biden's . . permitting actions such as the DOJ categorising parents who had genuine concerns about what their children were being taught in schools as domestic terrorists. . . .
So you're saying this is based on
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Chuck Grassley's letters to Merrick Garland regarding the domestic terrorism issue.
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/judiciary-republicans-to-garland-are-concerned-parents-domestic-terrorists-or-not
Now I know that Steve is going to roll his eyes at me referencing the Daily Mail but they are Newsguard certified, as are most of the news sources I get information from.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10391397/Biden-education-secretary-solicited-National-School-Boards-letter-comparing-parents-terrorists.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/doj-talked-with-white-house-before-issuing-domestic-terrorism-school-protest-memo
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First of all the Daily Mail does mostly report the truth, just not enough and too often (as in this case) in articles under at best disingenuous headlines intended to misinform.
But to the point at hand
Here is the actual DoJ memo Biden allowed: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download
It does not mention terrorism, it does not even mention parents.
Neither does the associated press release: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers
You mention Chuck Grassley. He's a politician with no government post: irrelevant to your claim.
So what we have is that the NSBA did send an internal to government memo (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21094557-national-school-boards-association-letter-to-biden) to Biden that mentioned terrorism as a possibility and that Biden and/or the DoJ did not back that.
The claim is manifestly false.
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I'd like the opportunity to show in the right thread that this claim (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=14973.msg745379#msg745379) is wrong. I suspect I won't be allowed it.
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The Court documents are pretty disturbing
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download
'In a Mirandized and recorded interview of DEPAPE by San Francisco Police Department Officers, DEPAPE provided the following information:
a. DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. '
eeek: noooo: