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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Uncle Mort on May 27, 2021, 07:23:05 AM
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What do we think? Telling the truth, or as I suspect, 'Hell has no fury like an analyst scorned'
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What do we think? Telling the truth, or as I suspect, 'Hell has no fury like an analyst scorned'
I reckon some truth in it... About the influence of Princess Nut Nut for instance...
But he comes across as a Lockdown fanatic and as you say, upset at not getting his own way.
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Angela Rayner now thinks he is totally trustworthy... ::)
...so yea, liar. ;)
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He's a very clever liar and clever liars do two things: they tell very few and tell the lies a large number of people are predisposed to believe.
Most of what he said yesterday will be true but it won't all be true. This government is going to do all it can to avoid and delay an inquiry so we really find out.
All those that defended Cummings over his trips up North last year must be feeling really stupid though as he finally admitted it was both wrong and undermined the lockdown
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I wander if he would be saying any of this if he hadn't lost his job noooo:
He was happy to be part of it - to 'try and influence from within' until then noooo: What an arrogant prick evil:
I think everyone can agree there have been massive fuck ups and an apparent lack of preparedness for any such event noooo: I'm not sure any other party would have fared much better though noooo: The reality is there is currently not that much choice in British politics noooo:
Integrity and accountability from those in power, or seeking power, seems like some kind of false hope nowadays noooo:
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I wander if he would be saying any of this if he hadn't lost his job noooo:
He was happy to be part of it - to 'try and influence from within' until then noooo: What an arrogant prick evil:
I think everyone can agree there have been massive fuck ups and an apparent lack of preparedness for any such event noooo: I'm not sure any other party would have fared much better though noooo: The reality is there is currently not that much choice in British politics noooo:
Integrity and accountability from those in power, or seeking power, seems like some kind of false hope nowadays noooo:
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No one could have really prepared for "this" .....plus trying to control the great unwashed is alot harder these days ...with all civil liberties etc ..
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I wander if he would be saying any of this if he hadn't lost his job noooo:
He was happy to be part of it - to 'try and influence from within' until then noooo: What an arrogant prick evil:
I think everyone can agree there have been massive fuck ups and an apparent lack of preparedness for any such event noooo: I'm not sure any other party would have fared much better though noooo: The reality is there is currently not that much choice in British politics noooo:
Integrity and accountability from those in power, or seeking power, seems like some kind of false hope nowadays noooo:
happ096
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As for him and his family being threatened which is the 'real' reason he ran home to his parents in Durham oh purleeeeaseeeee noooo:
If Mrs Dominic Cummings had indeed reported a threat from a 'group' of people outside her house ( presumably not just the normal media pack) then I' m sure this would have been reported to the police and they could then corroborate this :thumbsup: It must have been scary for her to decide to pack their packs and leave immediately. What with no police protection for a top govt aide in a potentially life threatening situation rubschin:
The coincidence of her being tested as positive for Covid at this exact same time must have been so unfortunate. noooo:
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And of course how interesting that it was his wife's birthday when he decided scenic Barnard Castle was the ideal way to test his eyes.
But as Ashworth challenged earlier:
"These allegations from Cummings are either true, and, if so, the secretary of state potentially stands in breach of the ministerial code and the Nolan principles [on behaviour in public life], or they are false and the prime minister brought a fantasist and a liar into the heart of Downing Street?
"Which is it?"
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Angela Rayner now thinks he is totally trustworthy... ::)
...so yea, liar. ;)
I do love the way that everyone who previously said he was an outright liar is now championing him as a paragon of honesty noooo:
Personally I think he is a sociopath who knows where enough bodies are hidden to be able to throw in a load of lies as well and still be taken for granted by the left.
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But what is his longer term objective?
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Don't think he has one. Just a case of revenge for being sidelined.
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But what is his longer term objective?
A book deal...? rubschin:
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But what is his longer term objective?
A book deal...? rubschin:
Possible but I suspect he's hoping Boris will be replaced by Gove who has always loved Cummings
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However well or badly any government handled the pandemic, it was a poisoned chalice and an opportunity for their opponents and any other chancer to score big points.
Cummings is a self-publicist who needs to be in the spotlight and will also have seen a great commercial opportunity for book/tabloid/film/speaking revenue.
Anyway, his eyes are too far down his face to be trustworthy.
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However well or badly any government handled the pandemic, it was a poisoned chalice and an opportunity for their opponents and any other chancer to score big points.
Cummings is a self-publicist who needs to be in the spotlight and will also have seen a great commercial opportunity for book/tabloid/film/speaking revenue.
Anyway, his eyes are too far down his face to be trustworthy.
Which Labour totally failed to take.
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However well or badly any government handled the pandemic, it was a poisoned chalice and an opportunity for their opponents and any other chancer to score big points.
Cummings is a self-publicist who needs to be in the spotlight and will also have seen a great commercial opportunity for book/tabloid/film/speaking revenue.
Anyway, his eyes are too far down his face to be trustworthy.
Which Labour totally failed to take.
In all honesty I'm not certain that Labour will survive for that much longer. Starmer has proved to be completely ineffective as leader and I'm not convinced that whoever ends up being his successor will be able to pull off the miracle the party needs.
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Sky has reassembled his testimony into a timeline https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-cummings-hearing-the-inside-story-of-the-timeline-of-the-weeks-before-covid-lockdown-12317517
As someone put it on another forum: 'what a fucking shambles'
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Where's he gone?
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Where's he gone?
Fishing?
(https://i.postimg.cc/c6hZ8Zp3/sleeps-with-fishes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6hZ8Zp3)
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Where's he gone?
Fishing?
(https://i.postimg.cc/c6hZ8Zp3/sleeps-with-fishes.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6hZ8Zp3)
lol: lol: lol:
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Where's he gone?
Seems to be having a lie down since he finished that 85 tweet essay last Thursday https://twitter.com/Dominic2306
He certainly hasn't gone away, Gove will want him back helping him when he challenges Boris for PM
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He's back and still peddling half truths:
BBC Interview (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57894745)
I'm sick and tired of politics. However much politicians pontificate it's obvious they're only in it for themselves. Where have the true Statesmen (and women) gone?
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He's back and still peddling half truths:
BBC Interview (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57894745)
I'm sick and tired of politics. However much politicians pontificate it's obvious they're only in it for themselves. Where have the true Statesmen (and women) gone?
When you see some of the younger ones it is just a situation that will get worse and worse...
Professional career politicians are utterly useless... noooo:
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Now we have professional politicians who go straight from university to working within their party without any idea of how the real world works I doubt we are going to see true statesmen again.
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He's back and still peddling half truths:
BBC Interview (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57894745)
I'm sick and tired of politics. However much politicians pontificate it's obvious they're only in it for themselves. Where have the true Statesmen (and women) gone?
When you see some of the younger ones it is just a situation that will get worse and worse...
Professional career politicians are utterly useless... noooo:
The public got what the public wanted: ABC (Anything But Corbyn) and why was that because so many foolish though it a great game to put that barely disguised Marxist in charge of Labour. So many decent politicians across the spectrum from Dominic Grieve to Chuka Umunga pushed out.
And the other issue is the public don't want to pay top politicians what top politicians are worth. Boris has to go begging for cash for favours because now he earns only a fraction of what he earned peddling his lies for the DT.
Will this get worse? Probably but I can hope for otherwise.
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He's back and still peddling half truths:
BBC Interview (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57894745)
I'm sick and tired of politics. However much politicians pontificate it's obvious they're only in it for themselves. Where have the true Statesmen (and women) gone?
When you see some of the younger ones it is just a situation that will get worse and worse...
Professional career politicians are utterly useless... noooo:
The public got what the public wanted: ABC (Anything But Corbyn) and why was that because so many foolish though it a great game to put that barely disguised Marxist in charge of Labour. So many decent politicians across the spectrum from Dominic Grieve to Chuka Umunga pushed out.
And the other issue is the public don't want to pay top politicians what top politicians are worth. Boris has to go begging for cash for favours because now he earns only a fraction of what he earned peddling his lies for the DT.
Will this get worse? Probably but I can hope for otherwise.
I don't see many poor politicians...? noooo:
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He's back and still peddling half truths:
BBC Interview (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57894745)
I'm sick and tired of politics. However much politicians pontificate it's obvious they're only in it for themselves. Where have the true Statesmen (and women) gone?
When you see some of the younger ones it is just a situation that will get worse and worse...
Professional career politicians are utterly useless... noooo:
The public got what the public wanted: ABC (Anything But Corbyn) and why was that because so many foolish though it a great game to put that barely disguised Marxist in charge of Labour. So many decent politicians across the spectrum from Dominic Grieve to Chuka Umunga pushed out.
And the other issue is the public don't want to pay top politicians what top politicians are worth. Boris has to go begging for cash for favours because now he earns only a fraction of what he earned peddling his lies for the DT.
Will this get worse? Probably but I can hope for otherwise.
I don't see many poor politicians...? noooo:
No and nor should you, what we need is a way to sling out the crooks like Boris and his Borisistas and pay the decent ones at least something close to what they'd get for their talents in private business.
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Find me a decent politician first.
Remember the expenses scandal.
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Find me a decent politician first.
Remember the expenses scandal.
Precisely...
Decent and talented - most of the 650 wouldn't earn minimum wage outside of parliament... noooo:
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Find me a decent politician first.
Remember the expenses scandal.
Penny Mordaunt
Angela Eagle
Well that was easy wasn't it.
And the role of an MP is fundamentally about making needed laws that work and making sure laws and spend is appropriate. So what is needed is very convergent with what is needed for a barrister. Except a decent barrister earns ~ 5 times what an MP or junior minister gets (some get well over 10 times) and they have decent job security (unlike an MP)
So is it any great surprise Grieve and Umunna are now doing well outside of politics and we have a third rate journalist as Prime Minister?
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It was easy because you haven't supplied any reasons for your assertions.
Being a MP is coming up with ideas for laws and arguing for (or against if it's an opposition MP's idea) I suspect civil servants do the grunt work.
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Find me a decent politician first.
Remember the expenses scandal.
Penny Mordaunt
Angela Eagle
Well that was easy wasn't it.
And the role of an MP is fundamentally about making needed laws that work and making sure laws and spend is appropriate. So what is needed is very convergent with what is needed for a barrister. Except a decent barrister earns ~ 5 times what an MP or junior minister gets (some get well over 10 times) and they have decent job security (unlike an MP)
So is it any great surprise Grieve and Umunna are now doing well outside of politics and we have a third rate journalist as Prime Minister?
It was easy because you haven't supplied any reasons for your assertions.
Being a MP is coming up with ideas for laws and arguing for (or against if it's an opposition MP's idea) I suspect civil servants do the grunt work.
Feel free to disprove my point by showing how either of those are not 'decent politicians'.
And it is cabinet ministers (not MPs) job to come up with new ideas however yes they often use civil servants to bring forward ideas to support the minister's general aims
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In my book 'decent politician' is an oxymoron.
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In my book 'decent politician' is an oxymoron.
I have to agree with Uncle at the moment... noooo:
And even if there are one or two 'gooduns', what can they achieve when overwhelmed with the views of 600+ wronguns...? cry:
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And your evidence of 600+ badduns is just what? Can you even name 60 MPs without googling?
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And your evidence of 600+ badduns is just what? Can you even name 60 MPs without googling?
Can you...? ::)
It doesn't take much in-depth research does it - this Covid thing has shown most of them to be utterly useless...
Too many of them have no real-world experience and many are chosen to meet some diversity quota...
Look at the likes of Dianne Abbot - the bar isn't set very high there is it and she has made it to the front bench! lol:
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Dianne Abbot can't be corrupt ~ she couldn't take a percentage if she tried.
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Dianne Abbot can't be corrupt ~ she couldn't take a percentage if she tried.
happy001
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And your evidence of 600+ badduns is just what? Can you even name 60 MPs without googling?
Can you...? ::) . . .
Maybe but doesn't matter, I'm not the one making the assertion
I know the names of the MPs I've met and those Mrs K has met and I know most of them are good people
I also know that many people only remember bad apples and are always on the lookout to blame someone
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And bang on cue, a fine example of those that rule over us... ::)
Tory MPs set to be suspended for trying to influence trial of ex-MP Charlie Elphicke (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/21/tory-mps-set-suspended-trying-influence-trial-ex-mp-charlie/)
Three Tory MPs are set to be suspended over an "egregious" attempt to influence a former colleague's legal proceedings, the Commons Standards Committee has found.
Theresa Villiers, Natalie Elphicke, Sir Roger Gale, Adam Holloway and Bob Stewart were found to have fallen foul of the rules by seeking to interfere in a legal decision regarding ex-MP Charlie Elphicke.
The committee said former environment secretary Ms Villiers, senior Conservative Sir Roger, and Ms Elphicke should all be suspended from the House for one day, while all five were told to apologise.
"The letters signed and sent by the members in this case were an attempt improperly to influence judicial proceedings," the committee said.
"Such egregious behaviour is corrosive to the rule of law and, if allowed to continue unchecked, could undermine public trust in the independence of judges."
noooo:
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They should be barred and forced to go through a by election
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They should be barred and forced to go through a by election
Agreed! Thumbs:
Instead they get to lose a day in the house... Where they've hardly been for 18 months... noooo:
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Dianne Abbot can't be corrupt ~ she couldn't take a percentage if she tried.
happy001
;D ;D Thumbs:......