Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Steve on October 17, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Title: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Steve on October 17, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Shocked:
So he did do a deal and while he now has the not inconsiderable hurdle of getting it through the House, I'll give credit: he and his team have managed to come up with something that just might work.
My view: I'd prefer to 'remain for now' but this doesn't look a bad way of leaving if we have to - well unless you're a dyed in the wool NI Unionist
FWIW here's some analyses of it
From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50083026
From Sky: https://news.sky.com/story/whats-new-about-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal-11837635
Here's the detail: revisions to the Withdrawal Agreement: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/revised_withdrawal_agreement_including_protocol_on_ireland_and_nothern_ireland.pdf
Here's the revised Political Declaration: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/revised_political_declaration.pdf
But can he get it through the House? popcorn: time
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 18, 2019, 09:52:28 AM
I did find it interesting that Corbyn denounced the agreement almost half an hour before it was published. Almost as if he could see his chances of blagging his way into No. 10 slipping away... rubschin:
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Barman on October 18, 2019, 10:37:42 AM
I did find it interesting that Corbyn denounced the agreement almost half an hour before it was published. Almost as if he could see his chances of blagging his way into No. 10 slipping away... rubschin:
lol: lol: lol:
I think a few others condemned it within minutes of it being published too... Jo Swinson...?
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 18, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
I did find it interesting that Corbyn denounced the agreement almost half an hour before it was published. Almost as if he could see his chances of blagging his way into No. 10 slipping away... rubschin:
lol: lol: lol:
I think a few others condemned it within minutes of it being published too... Jo Swinson...?
The truly disturbing one was Cameron describing Boris as a 'greased piglet'. Given his previous actions with a dead pig I'm hoping that isn't a Freudian slip... sick2:
I did find it interesting that Corbyn denounced the agreement almost half an hour before it was published. Almost as if he could see his chances of blagging his way into No. 10 slipping away... rubschin:
lol: lol: lol:
I think a few others condemned it within minutes of it being published too... Jo Swinson...?
Arlene swallowed a wasp Foster was way ahead of all in the queue. Seems several Tories starting with that snotty git Francois are now trying to scupper it
I did find it interesting that Corbyn denounced the agreement almost half an hour before it was published. Almost as if he could see his chances of blagging his way into No. 10 slipping away... rubschin:
lol: lol: lol:
I think a few others condemned it within minutes of it being published too... Jo Swinson...?
The truly disturbing one was Cameron describing Boris as a 'greased piglet'. Given his previous actions with a dead pig I'm hoping that isn't a Freudian slip... sick2:
I did find it interesting that Corbyn denounced the agreement almost half an hour before it was published. Almost as if he could see his chances of blagging his way into No. 10 slipping away... rubschin:
lol: lol: lol:
I think a few others condemned it within minutes of it being published too... Jo Swinson...?
The truly disturbing one was Cameron describing Boris as a 'greased piglet'. Given his previous actions with a dead pig I'm hoping that isn't a Freudian slip... sick2:
Between her voice and her inability to back up her claims I couldn't bear to listen to the entire thing... noooo:
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 19, 2019, 05:27:09 PM
So Letwin managed to put the boot in and stop the deal from going through by October 31st. Given that Dorset voted overwhelmingly to leave something tells me that there will be an attempt at deselection by his constituency association if there isn't an Election before much longer. noooo:
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Barman on October 19, 2019, 05:43:14 PM
So Letwin managed to put the boot in and stop the deal from going through by October 31st. Given that Dorset voted overwhelmingly to leave something tells me that there will be an attempt at deselection by his constituency association if there isn't an Election before much longer. noooo:
Bizarre wasn't it...? noooo:
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2019, 06:10:51 PM
So Letwin managed to put the boot in and stop the deal from going through by October 31st. Given that Dorset voted overwhelmingly to leave something tells me that there will be an attempt at deselection by his constituency association if there isn't an Election before much longer. noooo:
Bizarre wasn't it...? noooo:
Letwin's West Dorset constituency was very marginally pro Leave in 2016. Less so than the whole UK vote. Given polls since it's probably net pro remain now
It would actually be bizarre for him to support no deal
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 19, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
So Letwin managed to put the boot in and stop the deal from going through by October 31st. Given that Dorset voted overwhelmingly to leave something tells me that there will be an attempt at deselection by his constituency association if there isn't an Election before much longer. noooo:
Bizarre wasn't it...? noooo:
Letwin's West Dorset constituency was very marginally pro Leave in 2016. Less so than the whole UK vote. Given polls since it's probably net pro remain now
It would actually be bizarre for him to support no deal
Given that it looks like the EU is to say the least, reluctant to give another extension no deal does look like a possibility now.
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Barman on October 19, 2019, 06:21:15 PM
So Letwin managed to put the boot in and stop the deal from going through by October 31st. Given that Dorset voted overwhelmingly to leave something tells me that there will be an attempt at deselection by his constituency association if there isn't an Election before much longer. noooo:
Bizarre wasn't it...? noooo:
Letwin's West Dorset constituency was very marginally pro Leave in 2016. Less so than the whole UK vote. Given polls since it's probably net pro remain now
It would actually be bizarre for him to support no deal
He didn't stop no deal... ::)
And he was voted back in the last time on a manifesto which said it would respect the result of the referendum... ::)
And the polls show that most Conservative think Parliament should vote to accept the deal... ::)
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2019, 07:17:12 PM
Actually he was voted back on a manifesto that first and foremost committed to make the UK stronger and more prosperous and how awkward that he seems to think that that should first and foremost be what guides his voting
Actually he was voted back on a manifesto that first and foremost committed to make the UK stronger and more prosperous and how awkward that he seems to think that that should first and foremost be what guides his voting
Exit the European single market and customs union but seek a "deep and special partnership" including comprehensive free trade and customs agreement Vote in both Houses of Parliament on "final agreement" for Brexit Assess whether to continue with specific European programmes and it "will be reasonable that we make a contribution" to the ones which continue Agree terms of future partnership with EU alongside withdrawal, both within the two years allowed under Article 50 Convert EU law into UK law and later allow parliament to pass legislation to "amend, repeal or improve" any piece of this Remain signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights for the next parliament Repeal or replace the Human Rights Act "while the process of Brexit is under way" ruled out, although consideration will be given to the UK's "human rights legal framework" when Brexit concludes Reduce and control immigration from Europe after Brexit Seek to replicate all existing EU free trade agreements Support the ratification of trade agreements entered into during our EU membership Introduce a Trade Bill in the next parliament Create a network of Her Majesty's Trade Commissioners to head nine new regional overseas posts Reconvene the Board of Trade to increase exports from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well as England.
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
Well yes people say it says all sorts of things but here's the full definitive text (https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-+Our+Plan+for+a+Stronger+Britain+and+a+More+Prosperous....pdf)
I didn't vote for it but is it really supposedly wrong of Letwin to read that front cover and see that neither Boris's deal or no-deal live up to it in his opinion?
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Barman on October 20, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
Well yes people say it says all sorts of things but here's the full definitive text (https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-+Our+Plan+for+a+Stronger+Britain+and+a+More+Prosperous....pdf)
I didn't vote for it but is it really supposedly wrong of Letwin to read that front cover and see that neither Boris's deal or no-deal live up to it in his opinion?
You're avin a larf aintchya Steve? lol:
You reckon he read just the front cover of the manifesto...? He couldn't be arsed to read the section about the commitment to Brexit and therefore campaign accordingly...? ::)
Guess I'm not an adult then. Or maybe I don't give a fuck because the decision is out of my hands.
It has been out of our hands since we voted Uncle... Unless you have loadsamunny to fund court cases all we can do is sit and wait to see what happens...
...I'm still optimistic tho... ;)
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: apc2010 on October 29, 2019, 04:48:13 PM
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Grumpmeister on January 31, 2020, 04:49:06 PM
The saddest sight I've seen in a while was on the way home earlier. A student house with an EU flag fluttering limply in the front garden and a vote Labour poster in the window...
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Barman on January 31, 2020, 05:00:47 PM
The saddest sight I've seen in a while was on the way home earlier. A student house with an EU flag fluttering limply in the front garden and a vote Labour poster in the window...
happy001
Title: Re: Boris does a deal with the EU
Post by: Grumpmeister on January 31, 2020, 06:51:13 PM
Just got sent this
https://youtu.be/3L_ECsbmxdc
I wonder how many of them are going to end up in therapy following their meltdown... noooo: