Well who's going to be THE focus for the leave campaign? Can't see it being innumerate Nigel now there's a real heavyweight in that camp. I expect Boris will let Nigel and IDS take turns at parking his bike for him.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on February 21, 2016, 08:01:32 PM
Well who's going to be THE focus for the leave campaign? Can't see it being innumerate Nigel now there's a real heavyweight in that camp. I expect Boris will let Nigel and IDS take turns at parking his bike for him.
Oh yes, I see your point... ::)
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 01, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Maybe I'm just being cynical but it sounds like the fix is in. Banghead
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 04, 2016, 07:26:59 PM
Nailed...
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2016, 07:29:34 PM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 04, 2016, 09:38:18 PM
I was quite impressed with the student that shot Cameron down in flames during one of the tv segments. I think that "I'm an English Literature Student, I know waffling when I see it" should become a T-shirt slogan. rubschin:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 04, 2016, 10:53:14 PM
How about Kay Burley cutting the legs from under Gove and his £350M with "even Nigel Farage has said he won't use that figure"?
Both those Sky Q&As have been bruising encounters with the audiences allowed to be brutal and so they did.
Gove did better than most expected him to and Cameron worse than most expected. Both campaigns have ground each other down with the game now being to motivate their supporters to actually go and vote rather than persuade any undecideds.
The Polls say a narrow Leave win, the bookies say a Remain win. Go Figure
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 04, 2016, 11:52:01 PM
Can't really comment on that as I was semi watching it while at work so I missed a fair bit of the debates.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2016, 12:32:37 PM
He doesn't get the whole "tainted by assocation" thing noooo:
It's Cameron we are talking about, the ivory towered elitist self serving two faced slimy arse doesn't care about 'tainted by association' because he believes that he is above the rest of us common oiks. noooo:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2016, 01:45:48 PM
:thumbsup:
I note that several former utterly discredited Labour leaders favour Remain (including Bliar). Keep up the good work, chaps :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 06, 2016, 01:50:33 PM
The cynical part of me is certain that Mercer has only joined the remain camp because he's been offered the Defence Minister's post in the next reshuffle. Under normal circumstances I'd be happy to see him there as a former Royal Marine who has seen active service in Afghanistan is more than qualified for the position. Unfortunately he's now shown himself to be completely lacking in the honour, integrity and raw bollocks that the Marines are noted for. noooo:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 06, 2016, 01:58:41 PM
It's a bit of a weird story that. Project Fear with no MPs named and as Boris has said, the splendid ambiguity of the term 'Single Market'. IMHO the most likely interpretation is that some MPs would try to force the post Brexit government to negotiate for free access to the Single Market - the strategy Boris himself espoused at the start of the referendum campaign.
A more likely tactic again imho is to force a vote of no confidence and hence a General Election
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 06, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Thought Cameron was just there with Harman but he has attracted a bunch of gormless 'public servants'. Cameron, Harriet Harman, Natalie Bennet and Tim Farron? It's the unfantastic four. noooo:
Each side needs to find some fresh faces credible to the middle ground. Those two ain't qualified.
Farage v Neil tonight could be interesting. Neil is vicious with any bollocks but IIRC Nigel hasn't said much that's clearly wrong for a while. Neil may have to invite him as a Leave.EUer to diss the worst of Vote Leave to make it serious Popcorn:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 10, 2016, 11:36:23 PM
I see Cameron is trying to distance himself from a comment made by this arrogant bint.
Don't overrule democratically elected MP's my arse, we have the right to have a different opinion to them and act accordingly as long as it is within the law. You aren't even an elected member of parliament, instead you are another Cameron sycophant that has been sneaked into the government with the use of a peerage that is clearly undeserved.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 11, 2016, 04:58:15 AM
‘Remarkable’ 10-Point Lead For Brexit In Shock New Poll (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/10/remarkable-10-point-lead-brexit-shock-new-poll/)
eeek:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 11, 2016, 09:14:56 AM
Getting bizarre as well as ugly
What did you think of Neil v Farage. It never really ignited imho? Farage started very well but by the end was on the ropes but no big hits either way.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 11, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
What did you think of Neil v Farage. It never really ignited imho? Farage started very well but by the end was on the ropes but no big hits either way.
Just watching it...
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 11, 2016, 09:41:09 AM
What did you think of Neil v Farage. It never really ignited imho? Farage started very well but by the end was on the ropes but no big hits either way.
Well, I don't know how you can say he was on the ropes to be honest... noooo:
I thought he did very well...
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 11, 2016, 11:13:38 AM
What did you think of Neil v Farage. It never really ignited imho? Farage started very well but by the end was on the ropes but no big hits either way.
Well, I don't know how you can say he was on the ropes to be honest... noooo:
I thought he did very well...
I think it's fair to say you would say that even if Neil had put up a video showing Nigel beating up old ladies and stealing their pension money
Here's the transcript http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/transcript-nigel-farage-grilled-andrew-neil-brexit/ (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/transcript-nigel-farage-grilled-andrew-neil-brexit/)
He was on the ropes over his Cologne remarks trying to say what he said months ago shouldn't matter when we all know he's trying to hold Cameron to 2010 comments. When Neil showed him the LBC video he was in trouble and he kept digging with disingenuity over refugees becoming EU citizens that fooled Neil not for a nanosecond. His ineptness on tariffs was facepalm:
But he will have projected himself as what he wanted to: distancing himself from Vote Leave's lies and positioning himself as a champion of anti immigration, the issue where the Remain camp really have neither understood the issue nor the concern
Farage will have slept well but it was as I said a game of two halves
Next up is IDS
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 11, 2016, 12:23:42 PM
What did you think of Neil v Farage. It never really ignited imho? Farage started very well but by the end was on the ropes but no big hits either way.
Well, I don't know how you can say he was on the ropes to be honest... noooo:
I thought he did very well...
I think it's fair to say you would say that even if Neil had put up a video showing Nigel beating up old ladies and stealing their pension money
Here's the transcript http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/transcript-nigel-farage-grilled-andrew-neil-brexit/ (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/transcript-nigel-farage-grilled-andrew-neil-brexit/)
He was on the ropes over his Cologne remarks trying to say what he said months ago shouldn't matter when we all know he's trying to hold Cameron to 2010 comments. When Neil showed him the LBC video he was in trouble and he kept digging with disingenuity over refugees becoming EU citizens that fooled Neil not for a nanosecond. His ineptness on tariffs was facepalm:
But he will have projected himself as what he wanted to: distancing himself from Vote Leave's lies and positioning himself as a champion of anti immigration, the issue where the Remain camp really have neither understood the issue nor the concern
Farage will have slept well but it was as I said a game of two halves
Next up is IDS
We'll have to agree to differ Steve.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 11, 2016, 01:21:04 PM
We often do on Farage but to his credit he and his Leave.EU have been the honest side of the Brexit campaign
What did you think of his Archbishops comment? IMHO right on the money but politically unwise
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 11, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
All this fixation on Tipsy's eldest, you know if you want to come out Nick we won't think any less of you... rubschin:
Maybe he fancies the Eldest's girlfriend?
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 13, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
Just when we thought that Cameron's 'Brexit could lead to WWIII' claim couldn't be beaten along comes Tusk declaring it could cause the end of western political civilisation. noooo:
Just when we thought that Cameron's 'Brexit could lead to WWIII' claim couldn't be beaten along comes Tusk declaring it could cause the end of western political civilisation. noooo:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 13, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
If it wasn't for the obvious copyright implications I'd be tempted to start a web campaign for people to email him and attach REM's It's the End of the World As We Know It (and I feel fine). whistle:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 15, 2016, 02:00:50 PM
And now George is threatening to ramp up income tax in an 'emergency' budget if we vote to leave. Angry9:
Read it the other day - most excellent! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 18, 2016, 07:46:16 AM
And a quick change of IP later . . . .
Yes it is a good read, puts its points well.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 19, 2016, 01:28:21 AM
Ok, so you have to be in 2 separate parliament buildings because the French want to keep the cash rolling it, quelle surprise. But surely you have heard of those arcane things called computers that allow you to have digital copies, email and secure FTP Banghead
I couldn't be arsed to watch it but kept up via the live text feed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120)
If you want an utterly risible performance that will also have your piss boiling watch the Corbyn interview earlier on Andrew Marr
My BiL went to vote this morning and was told that he had to use one of the pencils provided...
...he told them to fuck off and went home to get a pen... lol:
I was slightly more diplomatic than that but ended up giving an impromptu rant speech about how using pencils opens up the potential of vote rigging before picking up a pen from the officer's table and using that instead.
Got a round of applause from the other voters. redface:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 23, 2016, 07:30:53 PM
Miss I calls. COnvinced we will vote Leave she has been trying to get UK citizenship lest she be deported on Saturday ::)
She told me yesterday that a British passport (legit) would be hers for only £2000 Shocked:
Anyhoo, I am invited round tonight for an all night telly session with wine and nibbles (snigger)
cloud9: cloud9: cloud9:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 23, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
They will make it clear that exit is a bad option in order to stop the domino effect.
Yes but that doesn't mean punishments,more like no special deals. Going to be an interesting few years
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 24, 2016, 02:04:50 PM
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 24, 2016, 02:16:18 PM
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Out comes the suit again. ::)
You and Uncle really need to make your minds up.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 24, 2016, 02:19:30 PM
I suppose the laydees will all be rushing out to buy new hats rubschin:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 24, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Out comes the suit again. ::)
You and Uncle really need to make your minds up.
lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 24, 2016, 08:55:50 PM
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Out comes the suit again. ::)
You and Uncle really need to make your minds up.
lol: lol: lol:
lol: lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: apc2010 on June 25, 2016, 01:29:47 AM
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
I may have to marry Miss T............. scared2:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 25, 2016, 05:45:14 AM
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Miss I, still stunned by the outcome, worried (irrationally) about her status here and annoyed at the £2K passport fee, blurted out earlier, "I wonder if getting married is the answer ..." Shocked: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek: eeek:
Weird that. 1.8 million from English constituencies but saying only 357 thousand from the UK. Methinks some serious algorithm flaws
But whatever this is a silly petition. It could get 20 million signatures and it matters not. We have a decision and it is now up to us all to deal with it not deny it.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 25, 2016, 07:29:44 PM
Hang on, what do you mean the referendum may not be legally binding and why the hell weren't we told that from the start?
And you have been told the Daily Mail prints lies as its headlines, justifying them to Levenson by saying the following articles have truth in them
And this is the third time I've seen this false story which is all about the right of MPs to vote on approving future trade deals. Having Norway style access to the single market is not EU membership and Boris opened his leave campaign advocating we go for such. He did a U turn or two on this of course.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 26, 2016, 02:17:10 AM
To be fair, I knew about the remote possibility of MP's ignoring the referendum result and blocking any exit plan as I'd got that from a number of sources but I didn't know about the legality issue until I heard it on the BBC earlier and went looking online for more details. I check news from a number of sources but the only reason I used the Mail in this case was because I'd used up my free access on the other sites I tend to check and I seemed a lot less rabid than the Express.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 26, 2016, 08:44:22 AM
The key point is this isn't about blocking the EU exit but shaping it. As it happens I think a rush to a Norway style deal would be wrong on so many levels not least that it's the worst of both worlds.
Stunning little speech by Andrew Marr at the start of his programme this morning (should be on iPlayer later) with an incisive view of why the EU and its UK support were past their best by date.
We are in for interesting times, there will be casualties but we could come out of it better IF we get leaders of integrity and ability. Boris, IDS, Gove et al do not tick those boxes, neither does Corbyn. Sadly only Sturgeon does and she cares not a jot for England
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 26, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
IDS looking shifty on the Marr programme..........
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 26, 2016, 09:28:42 AM
I seem never to have heard of most of these people rubschin:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 27, 2016, 07:12:17 PM
I had initially missed the irony of the shadow Scottish secretary going as their only MP in Jockland.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 27, 2016, 07:14:51 PM
Gingers out :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 27, 2016, 07:18:38 PM
I have to say, I've never had so much fun on the Interwebz as the referendum has delivered! ;D
I enjoy a good reasoned argument and there have been (and continue to be) many on the various forums that I frequent...
I shall be rather sad when it is all settled TBH... cry:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Nick on June 27, 2016, 07:22:26 PM
You are in Cyprus. Here no one talks of anything else and, frankly, some of it is ugly. The news is all consuming and, though things still werk, there is a constant fret about stuff. My mate Nod is afraid he will get home one night and find the newsreader in a military uniform!! No one knows WTF is happening!!
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Barman on June 27, 2016, 07:23:43 PM
You are in Cyprus. Here no one talks of anything else and, frankly, some of it is ugly. The news is all consuming and, though things still werk, there is a constant fret about stuff. My mate Nod is afraid he will get home one night and find the newsreader in a military uniform!! No one knows WTF is happening!!
I never watch 'the news'... noooo:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 27, 2016, 10:11:56 PM
You are in Cyprus. Here no one talks of anything else and, frankly, some of it is ugly. The news is all consuming and, though things still werk, there is a constant fret about stuff. My mate Nod is afraid he will get home one night and find the newsreader in a military uniform!! No one knows WTF is happening!!
A cynical part of me suspects that this is all a pantomime to prepare us for the 'only option' of a second referendum which will end up with a remain vote.
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Miss Demeanour on June 27, 2016, 10:17:53 PM
Isn't it time for the Brits to start escaping this civil unrest and fleeing in dinghy's to our accommodating neighbours for their help and support ????
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 27, 2016, 10:24:46 PM
Isn't it time for the Brits to start escaping this civil unrest and fleeing in dinghy's to our accommodating neighbours for their help and support ????
Does BM have enough room? rubschin:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 27, 2016, 10:25:41 PM
On the subject of the leadership contest I see that Jamie Oliver has just chimed in and possibly tipped it in favour of Boris.... rubschin:
The first big £350M casualty, hopefully not the last
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 30, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
It's a shame that only MP's can announce their candidacy as Daniel Hannan would be a much better choice than the shower of shite who are in the running. noooo:
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on June 30, 2016, 03:58:23 PM
It's a shame that only MP's can announce their candidacy as Daniel Hannan would be a much better choice than the shower of shite who are in the running. noooo:
That'd be the Hannan that like Boris did a U turn at the weekend and decided that after all he'd rather have free movement of labour
Have to say for someone I detested and have repeatedly described at 'that lying cow' she has played a less than strong hand very well for some months. I liked Cameron because he saved us from the horror that was Brown, May has saved us from the gruesome three so I may just learn to like her too
Title: Re: Cameron, the "negotiations" and the referendum
Post by: Steve on July 11, 2016, 08:27:48 PM