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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: apc2010 on November 21, 2015, 09:00:38 PM
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Incase you don't know what's happening in the middle east. 👍
President Assad ( who is bad ) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels ( who are good ) started winning ( Hurrah!).
But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State ( who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy ( who are still good.)
So the Americans ( who are good ) started bombing Islamic State ( who are bad ) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) so they could fight Assad ( who is still bad ) which was good.
By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS ( which is a good thing ) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.
Getting back to Syria.
So President Putin ( who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi ) has decided to back Assad ( who is still bad ) by attacking IS ( who are also bad ) which is sort of a good thing?
But Putin ( still bad ) thinks the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans ( who are good ) who are busy backing and arming the rebels ( who are also good).
Now Iran ( who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good ) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad ( still bad ) as are the Russians ( bad ) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.
So a Coalition of Assad ( still bad ) Putin ( extra bad ) and the Iranians ( good, but in a bad sort of way ) are going to attack IS ( who are bad ) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels ( who are good ) which is bad.
Now the British ( obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad ) and the Americans ( also good ) cannot attack Assad ( still bad ) for fear of upsetting Putin ( bad ) and Iran ( good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS ( who are super bad).
So Assad ( bad ) is now probably good, being better than IS ( but let’s face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there ) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America ( still Good ) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin ( now good ) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran ( also Good ) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS ( still the only constantly bad group).
To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims ( Assad and Iran ) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good ( Doh!.)
Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal ( mmm.might have a point.) and hence we will be seen as Bad.
So now we have America ( now bad ) and Britain ( also bad ) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels ( bad ) many of whom are looking to IS ( Good / bad ) for support against Assad ( now good ) who, along with Iran ( also Good) and Putin ( also, now, unbelievably, Good ) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?
So, now you fully understand everything, all your questions are answered!!!!
rubschin:
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Brilliant :thumbsup:
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Brilliant :thumbsup:
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Is there a similar explanation for the layman, of the differences between Sunni, Shia, Sufi and Alawi Muslims?
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Brilliant :thumbsup:
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Is there a similar explanation for the layman, of the differences between Sunni, Shia, Sufi and Alawi Muslims?
Would this be a start
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.vocativ.com%2Fphotos%2F2015%2F01%2FSarah-Cartoon2851754454.jpg&hash=047bf2e451c8c2d612006a13e0552d9c85214f4e)
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Brilliant :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Is there a similar explanation for the layman, of the differences between Sunni, Shia, Sufi and Alawi Muslims?
Would this be a start
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rubschin:
Not really, as that describes most of the sub-sets.
Mind you, I don't suppose they understand the finer points of the difference between Protestants and Catholics.
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;D ;D
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;D ;D
lol: lol: lol:
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There is also always this:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.
I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
(from the brilliant Emo http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/244 (http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/244))
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There is also always this:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.
I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
(from the brilliant Emo http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/244 (http://www.emophilips.com/video/video/244))
lol: lol:
He has some very good and original material.
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Saw him live in a small theatre in London many years ago. Amazing talent, brilliant timing.
One of the funniest bits though was at the end. He asked the audience if we had any questions and some wag shouts out "what are the 39 steps?" He hadn't seen the film
IIRC I saw that he doesn't do that imbecile act anymore
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Looks like Syria may get a little reprieve from Putin while he shows his displeasure with Turkey for shooting down one of his fighters. noooo:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331558/Turkey-shoots-fighter-jet-Syrian-border-Local-media-footage-flaming-plane-crashing-trees.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331558/Turkey-shoots-fighter-jet-Syrian-border-Local-media-footage-flaming-plane-crashing-trees.html)
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Looks like Syria may get a little reprieve from Putin while he shows his displeasure with Turkey for shooting down one of his fighters. noooo:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331558/Turkey-shoots-fighter-jet-Syrian-border-Local-media-footage-flaming-plane-crashing-trees.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331558/Turkey-shoots-fighter-jet-Syrian-border-Local-media-footage-flaming-plane-crashing-trees.html)
eeek: noooo:
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Bomb Larnaca, you say? rubschin:
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"Hello, this is the NATO help line. We're sorry, but all of our operators are busy. If you have been invaded or have shot down a major power's aircraft, kindly leave your information and we will get back to you as soon as a single fuck is given. Thank you and good luck!"
whistle:
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"Hello, this is the NATO help line. We're sorry, but all of our operators are busy. If you have been invaded or have shot down a major power's aircraft, kindly leave your information and we will get back to you as soon as a single fuck is given. Thank you and good luck!"
whistle:
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And now we have ISIS vs the Mafia... rubschin:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621552/Islamic-State-ISIS-terror-attack-New-York-Mafia-America (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621552/Islamic-State-ISIS-terror-attack-New-York-Mafia-America)
Something tells me that residents in those areas are going to feel safer with the mob protecting them than the government. noooo:
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Please tell me that this is just a bad joke Banghead
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to)
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Please tell me that this is just a bad joke Banghead
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to)
noooo:
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Please tell me that this is just a bad joke Banghead
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to)
They are barmy... noooo:
In other news, Kerry McCarthy says members of the public should stop using the expression “fishermen” because it is sexist...
Hang them all! cussing:
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Please tell me that this is just a bad joke Banghead
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622567/Eu-Labour-let-jihadists-back-to-UK-racist-not-to)
It's yet another misrepresentation in that pornographer's rag this time by and large copied from the ever unreliable UKIP web site. Thankfully it doesn't mention Lady Di as has been their habit. It would be a joke were the Express not a continuing tragedy.
I don't particularly agree with the stance the Socialist block took but I even more disagree with grossly misrepresenting it.
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This sums it all up for me....
All the business has been cleared from today’s agenda in the House of Commons and the whole day which has been extended to 10pm will consist of a single debate on the motion set out in my last post. This will give 10 and a half hours of time for debate.
Not surprisingly I have received hundreds of emails urging me to vote against military action. It is clear from most of them that the senders appear not t have a full understanding of the situation in the middle east. the situation is extremely complex. I do not pretend that extending our military action across the border from Iraq to Syria will be a solution on its own to the threat from ISIL but it will, in my opinion, on balance, help defeat ISIL and I will vote for it. I should add that I have add some constituents urge me to vote for the motion.
Basically, vote as the PM says and ignore the people you are supposed to represent....
...because that worked so well in Iraq didn't it...? noooo:
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This sums it all up for me....
All the business has been cleared from today’s agenda in the House of Commons and the whole day which has been extended to 10pm will consist of a single debate on the motion set out in my last post. This will give 10 and a half hours of time for debate.
Not surprisingly I have received hundreds of emails urging me to vote against military action. It is clear from most of them that the senders appear not t have a full understanding of the situation in the middle east. the situation is extremely complex. I do not pretend that extending our military action across the border from Iraq to Syria will be a solution on its own to the threat from ISIL but it will, in my opinion, on balance, help defeat ISIL and I will vote for it. I should add that I have add some constituents urge me to vote for the motion.
Basically, vote as the PM says and ignore the people you are supposed to represent....
...because that worked so well in Iraq didn't it...? noooo:
noooo:
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And we're off.... noooo:
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And we're off.... noooo:
(https://communicatingacrossboundaries.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/nuday-welcome-to-syria.jpeg?w=529&h=400)
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And we're off.... noooo:
(https://communicatingacrossboundaries.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/nuday-welcome-to-syria.jpeg?w=529&h=400)
Yes, you're welcome to Syria....
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More plane spotting opportunities for BM :thumbsup:
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More plane spotting opportunities for BM :thumbsup:
Hardly.... they were using them all to bomb Iraq... now they are using them to bomb Syria.... noooo:
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Bombing Brum, Luton and Bradford would be more effective noooo:
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Bombing Brum, Luton and Bradford would be more effective noooo:
Probably true...
Still, Syria is just up the road from Akrotiri so it won't cost the Great British Taxpayer so much in fuel to get the bombs there...
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Or for the Syrians to get to you :thumbsup:
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Or for the Syrians to get to you :thumbsup:
cry:
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Or for the Syrians to get to you :thumbsup:
cry:
Start digging (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scud) whistle:
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Or for the Syrians to get to you :thumbsup:
cry:
Start digging (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scud) whistle:
I'll be safe in my man cave! Thumbs:
Won't I....? scared2:
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This sums it all up for me....
All the business has been cleared from today’s agenda in the House of Commons and the whole day which has been extended to 10pm will consist of a single debate on the motion set out in my last post. This will give 10 and a half hours of time for debate.
Not surprisingly I have received hundreds of emails urging me to vote against military action. It is clear from most of them that the senders appear not t have a full understanding of the situation in the middle east. the situation is extremely complex. I do not pretend that extending our military action across the border from Iraq to Syria will be a solution on its own to the threat from ISIL but it will, in my opinion, on balance, help defeat ISIL and I will vote for it. I should add that I have add some constituents urge me to vote for the motion.
Basically, vote as the PM says and ignore the people you are supposed to represent....
rubschin:
(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-11-25/milISIS.png)
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This sums it all up for me....
All the business has been cleared from today’s agenda in the House of Commons and the whole day which has been extended to 10pm will consist of a single debate on the motion set out in my last post. This will give 10 and a half hours of time for debate.
Not surprisingly I have received hundreds of emails urging me to vote against military action. It is clear from most of them that the senders appear not t have a full understanding of the situation in the middle east. the situation is extremely complex. I do not pretend that extending our military action across the border from Iraq to Syria will be a solution on its own to the threat from ISIL but it will, in my opinion, on balance, help defeat ISIL and I will vote for it. I should add that I have add some constituents urge me to vote for the motion.
Basically, vote as the PM says and ignore the people you are supposed to represent....
rubschin:
(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-11-25/milISIS.png)
What was it, a poll of mongs...? Shrugs: