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Title: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on July 11, 2015, 07:51:41 AM
So pleased to see he is doing so well  :thumbsup:






















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Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on July 11, 2015, 08:12:53 AM
 eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on July 11, 2015, 01:23:26 PM
Be careful what you wish for

Still loads of time for the Tories to make complete arses of themselves and gift the 2020 election to Labour

240 weeks is a very very very long time in politics
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on July 11, 2015, 04:16:06 PM
Be careful what you wish for

Still loads of time for the Tories to make complete arses of themselves and gift the 2020 election to Labour

240 weeks is a very very very long time in politics

A Whig at the Stalin end of the platform will be a gift to the Tories for ever more I think.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on July 12, 2015, 09:37:09 AM
Be careful what you wish for

Still loads of time for the Tories to make complete arses of themselves and gift the 2020 election to Labour

240 weeks is a very very very long time in politics

A Whig at the Stalin end of the platform will be a gift to the Tories for ever more I think.

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on July 15, 2015, 04:58:36 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11741659/Jeremy-Corbyn-set-to-win-Labour-leadership-shock-poll-reveals.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11741659/Jeremy-Corbyn-set-to-win-Labour-leadership-shock-poll-reveals.html)  razz:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on July 15, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11741659/Jeremy-Corbyn-set-to-win-Labour-leadership-shock-poll-reveals.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11741659/Jeremy-Corbyn-set-to-win-Labour-leadership-shock-poll-reveals.html)  razz:

 eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on July 15, 2015, 05:03:19 PM
Jezza for PM?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on July 15, 2015, 05:11:17 PM
Jezza for PM?

Clarkson gets my vote....... Thumbs:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on July 22, 2015, 04:59:40 PM
This is turning into a farce. As usual, they want an election but don't like the way the voters want to go!!
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on July 22, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
This is turning into a farce. As usual, they want an election but don't like the way the voters want to go!!

It is amazing isn't it...?  lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on July 22, 2015, 05:45:20 PM
http://order-order.com/2015/07/22/labour-at-war-corbyn-responds-to-blair/#_@/dqvrmQHjDq-aQg (http://order-order.com/2015/07/22/labour-at-war-corbyn-responds-to-blair/#_@/dqvrmQHjDq-aQg)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on July 27, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
Conservative voters are joining the Labour party in order to vote for Corbyn under their new rules..  rubschin:

I keep thinking of those charity adverts...

"Just three pounds will keep these dinosaurs out of the city and in the wilderness where they belong."  lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11680098/Why-are-so-many-Tories-joining-Labour-after-Jeremy-Corbyns-leadership-announcement.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11680098/Why-are-so-many-Tories-joining-Labour-after-Jeremy-Corbyns-leadership-announcement.html)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 10, 2015, 06:59:03 PM
Just paid my £3  whistle: angel1
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on August 10, 2015, 07:28:52 PM
Who did you vote for?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 10, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
No one yet ::)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on August 10, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
Sorry, who will you vote for?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 10, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
Corbyn  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 10, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
 doublefacepalm
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 11, 2015, 07:36:55 AM
 eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
 noooo:  just wrong Nick.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2015, 09:31:36 AM
noooo:  just wrong Nick.

For why...? Shrugs:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 09:47:48 AM
noooo:  just wrong Nick.

For why...? Shrugs:
because their T's and C's make it clear you should not be joining unless you "support the Labour Party’s aims and values."  I don't think Nick does

Oh and it's not £3, it's £3.88 a month
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2015, 10:14:09 AM
noooo:  just wrong Nick.

For why...? Shrugs:
because their T's and C's make it clear you should not be joining unless you "support the Labour Party’s aims and values."  I don't think Nick does

Oh and it's not £3, it's £3.88 a month

Oh boo-hoo!  lol:

The three quid thing was a stupid idea from the outset and was bound to be taken advantage of by somebody...

I'm amazed they could have been soooo stupid...  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 10:50:36 AM
noooo:  just wrong Nick.

For why...? Shrugs:
because their T's and C's make it clear you should not be joining unless you "support the Labour Party’s aims and values."  I don't think Nick does

Oh and it's not £3, it's £3.88 a month

Oh boo-hoo!  lol:

The three quid thing was a stupid idea from the outset and was bound to be taken advantage of by somebody...

I'm amazed they could have been soooo stupid...  noooo:

Maybe I must remember how it's so OK to take advantage of the confused next time I see an eighty year old trying to count their money.   noooo:

Of course the Labour party has been stupid on this by trusting that very few would act dishonestly.   And as I posted before, recklessly.

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2015, 11:18:34 AM
noooo:  just wrong Nick.

For why...? Shrugs:
because their T's and C's make it clear you should not be joining unless you "support the Labour Party’s aims and values."  I don't think Nick does

Oh and it's not £3, it's £3.88 a month

Oh boo-hoo!  lol:

The three quid thing was a stupid idea from the outset and was bound to be taken advantage of by somebody...

I'm amazed they could have been soooo stupid...  noooo:

Maybe I must remember how it's so OK to take advantage of the confused next time I see an eighty year old trying to count their money.   noooo:

Of course the Labour party has been stupid on this by trusting that very few would act dishonestly.   And as I posted before, recklessly.

Do WHAT?  lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 11:23:23 AM
"The three quid thing was a stupid idea from the outset and was bound to be taken advantage of by somebody..."

You posted that like that somebody was OK to do so
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2015, 11:31:04 AM
"The three quid thing was a stupid idea from the outset and was bound to be taken advantage of by somebody..."

You posted that like that somebody was OK to do so

I posted it because it was sooo obviously a flawed idea that somebody or some group(s) would take advantage of it... ::)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 11, 2015, 01:32:45 PM
 angel1
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: The Moan Ranger on August 11, 2015, 02:29:11 PM
The Labour Party simply has no place in modern Britain. It is a relic of times past and should be consigned to the dustbin. 

That does not,  however,  detract from the fact that this country desperately needs a strong - and credible - opposition party.  Left alone to do as they please, the Tories will undoubtedly fuck things up.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 11, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
Corbyn v. Cameron at PMQs will be fabulously entertaining.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2015, 02:33:07 PM
The Labour Party simply has no place in modern Britain. It is a relic of times past and should be consigned to the dustbin. 

That does not,  however,  detract from the fact that this country desperately needs a strong - and credible - opposition party.  Left alone to do as they please, the Tories will undoubtedly fuck things up.

Agreed...
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 11, 2015, 02:37:46 PM
The problem is that there isn't one and unless something changes dramatically there won't be one at the next election either. Look at who we have now, for all their bluff and bluster anyone with a brain south of Hadrian's Wall knows that the SNP has one aim only - to rinse the rest of the UK for all it is worth and the rest of the parties don't have the muscle or the competence to accomplish anything.

 noooo:
 
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 06:15:26 PM

The Labour Party simply has no place in modern Britain. It is a relic of times past and should be consigned to the dustbin. 

That does not,  however,  detract from the fact that this country desperately needs a strong - and credible - opposition party.  Left alone to do as they please, the Tories will undoubtedly fuck things up.

Agreed...
yes and no IMHO

For all his faults Blair's NewLabour saved us from 5 more years of horrendously disfunctional mid 90s Tories just like CallMeDave rescued us from the Gorgon. 

By 2020 if the Tories do OK enough I dread what George "you're all in it together" Osborne or Teresa "really am making this up" May would foist on us with no credible opposition.

And if the Tories have effed up then Nick could have gifted us the horrors of life under Corbyn.

Evenly matched Tory and Labour parties dragging each other towards the centre is what we need.

If only Chukka had stood
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 11, 2015, 06:16:35 PM
Chukka withdrew because of the dirt the papers have on him for his links with some VERY dodgy financiers
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 06:49:14 PM
Chukka withdrew because of the dirt the papers have on him for his links with some VERY dodgy financiers

 rubschin:


 noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 11, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
"more time with his family" excuse...............
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 11, 2015, 06:58:11 PM
"more time with his family" excuse...............
he never said that

more like didn't like the press trying to get the dirt from old boyfriends of his new squeeze.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 11, 2015, 07:01:38 PM
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 11, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear

 drumroll:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 06:34:33 AM

The Labour Party simply has no place in modern Britain. It is a relic of times past and should be consigned to the dustbin. 

That does not,  however,  detract from the fact that this country desperately needs a strong - and credible - opposition party.  Left alone to do as they please, the Tories will undoubtedly fuck things up.

Agreed...
yes and no IMHO

For all his faults Blair's NewLabour saved us from 5 more years of horrendously disfunctional mid 90s Tories just like CallMeDave rescued us from the Gorgon. 

By 2020 if the Tories do OK enough I dread what George "you're all in it together" Osborne or Teresa "really am making this up" May would foist on us with no credible opposition.

And if the Tories have effed up then Nick could have gifted us the horrors of life under Corbyn.

Evenly matched Tory and Labour parties dragging each other towards the centre is what we need.

If only Chukka had stood

Well, blaming Nick isn't entirely rational given the apparent huge lead that Jezza has in the polls.... It is clear that thousands have taken advantage of the £3 deal...

And I don't see the attraction of the centre... We have had three parties that are barely distinguishable from each other on their main policies. While they all  talk of different things and while the opposition shout and scream in the Commons that the Tories support the rich or whatever where are the differences...? Where is Austerity...? Where is the bonfire of the quangos? Where is there evidence that we are moving towards smaller government...?

I'd like to see Jezza win.... not because he would consign Labour to the dustbin of politics either... While (IMHO) he offers the politics of the asylum he is eloquent and passionate about socialism. It might be a good thing to have a hard left opposition led by powerful speaker like Corbyn... Wouldn't PMQs be interesting if the opposition was arguing for something different - not just arguing that the PM was wrong or had made a mistake...? It might actually allow (or force) the Tories more to the right which wouldn't be a bad thing IMHO...

And if he promises everybody a pony and they put him in power (quite a likely event) then so be it... it might be the reset that we need.

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 06:42:40 AM
PS the stupidity of the average English voter cannot be underestimated....

You only have to listen to their squeals of delight at the return of the Great British Bake Off or the X-Factor... Or see the shite that they post and share on FaceAche which can be debunked in seconds... or see people that have had their account phished by the promise of seeing a video of some singer with her tits out - I despair...  noooo:

And there are clearly hundreds of thousands, probably millions of them that believe you can have a 'living wage', cheap nationalised utilities and yes, probably a free pony too just by 'taxing the rich'...

So yes, Corbyn could come to power... but the path there will be one of the most interesting in British politics for many years.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 12, 2015, 07:11:39 AM
I want to see him get the job for several reasons:

TO make PMQs and news programmes more entertaining
To wipe the smug look off the faces or Cooper, Burnham, Kendall et al eveilgrin:
To highlight the massive stupidity of Liebour in setting up such a voting system which some of them now want to cancel as it is delivering the "wrong" result  eveilgrin:
To watch Liebour tear itself apart and possibly split into new parties (SDP style)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 07:43:34 AM
I want to see him get the job for several reasons:

TO make PMQs and news programmes more entertaining
To wipe the smug look off the faces or Cooper, Burnham, Kendall et al eveilgrin:
To highlight the massive stupidity of Liebour in setting up such a voting system which some of them now want to cancel as it is delivering the "wrong" result  eveilgrin:
To watch Liebour tear itself apart and possibly split into new parties (SDP style)

Good points well made!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2015, 08:56:43 AM
The UK electorate certainly has its faults.  As I've often said we get the politicians we deserve and so so many people vote on the basis of either "what's in it for me now" or "they can't be as bad as what we have now"

But the May election went against that, when it came to the polling booths many people voted for what they saw as credible.

As an ardent centrist/floating voter I just don't get this allegation that they are all the same.  OK so the days of one side posturing to ditch the NHS and the other to nationalise everything have gone - surely that's good. 

The last election was fought on two areas.  Welfare and Financial credibility.  And while the latter may seem dull it is very important to people whether they have a job and in the end the most credible party won even with a very vindictive line on welfare.

If you really think they were all the same see here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide)

Corbynism threatens to overturn this.  He is a fundamentally dishonest politician with his promises to adopt a whole raft of socialist ideals and still tell people they would be better off.  In power he would take us right back to 1978 misery.  Worse he is manifestly an ineffective politician, with him at the despatch box the Tories can abandon their more moderate elements and become very vindictive. 

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 09:09:27 AM
The UK electorate certainly has its faults.  As I've often said we get the politicians we deserve and so so many people vote on the basis of either "what's in it for me now" or "they can't be as bad as what we have now"

But the May election went against that, when it came to the polling booths many people voted for what they saw as credible.

As an ardent centrist/floating voter I just don't get this allegation that they are all the same.  OK so the days of one side posturing to ditch the NHS and the other to nationalise everything have gone - surely that's good. 

The last election was fought on two areas.  Welfare and Financial credibility.  And while the latter may seem dull it is very important to people whether they have a job and in the end the most credible party won even with a very vindictive line on welfare.

If you really think they were all the same see here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide)

Corbynism threatens to overturn this.  He is a fundamentally dishonest politician with his promises to adopt a whole raft of socialist ideals and still tell people they would be better off.  In power he would take us right back to 1978 misery.  Worse he is manifestly an ineffective politician, with him at the despatch box the Tories can abandon their more moderate elements and become very vindictive.

You should know that the party manifestos have no meaning whatsoever - and no basis in law.

The question is, is there any noticeable difference between the policies of the current Tory government and the last Labour one...?

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2015, 09:28:12 AM
Well you're plain wrong.  Manifestoes are a part of the UK constitution (see Salisbury convention)

And there are very few examples of where a government has reneged on its manifesto.  There was one last month but I'm struggling to recall another one of any significance
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 09:51:50 AM
Well you're plain wrong.  Manifestoes are a part of the UK constitution (see Salisbury convention)

And there are very few examples of where a government has reneged on its manifesto.  There was one last month but I'm struggling to recall another one of any significance

The Salisbury Convention has absolutely nothing to do with parties reneging on promises in their election manifesto... ::)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 10:29:07 AM
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2015, 03:47:36 PM
Well you're plain wrong.  Manifestoes are a part of the UK constitution (see Salisbury convention)

And there are very few examples of where a government has reneged on its manifesto.  There was one last month but I'm struggling to recall another one of any significance

The Salisbury Convention has absolutely nothing to do with parties reneging on promises in their election manifesto... ::)
quite but my mentioning it had everything to do with this:
You should know that the party manifestos have no meaning whatsoever  . .




Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
Well you're plain wrong.  Manifestoes are a part of the UK constitution (see Salisbury convention)

And there are very few examples of where a government has reneged on its manifesto.  There was one last month but I'm struggling to recall another one of any significance

The Salisbury Convention has absolutely nothing to do with parties reneging on promises in their election manifesto... ::)
quite but my mentioning it had everything to do with this:
You should know that the party manifestos have no meaning whatsoever  . .

I must have missed an incredibly subtle point.... Shrugs:

My bad i'm sure.... but I can't
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 03:53:11 PM
Well you're plain wrong.  Manifestoes are a part of the UK constitution (see Salisbury convention)

And there are very few examples of where a government has reneged on its manifesto.  There was one last month but I'm struggling to recall another one of any significance

The Salisbury Convention has absolutely nothing to do with parties reneging on promises in their election manifesto... ::)
quite but my mentioning it had everything to do with this:
You should know that the party manifestos have no meaning whatsoever  . .


I must have missed an incredibly subtle point.... Shrugs:

My bad I'm sure.... but I can't quite see where I am 'plain wrong'...?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2015, 04:31:06 PM
when you said "manifestoes had no meaning whatsoever".   

It's a common belief or should I say misbelief?  I see so many people that say they will vote for party X and then admit they haven't read a word of their manifesto or election literature.   As I said, we increasingly get the politicians our increasingly shallow voters deserve.  I believe the two behaviours are linked.

I really do recommend people to scan read manifestoes, it's so easy with pdf downloads and Cntrl F to look for key points of interest but even if not, the major media do dissect them very well as per the Beeb link I gave.

So to the point at hand, Corbyn hasn't put out a manifesto per se but his campaign web site is  facepalm: imho

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/ (http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/)  (you need to drill down through it)

Votes at 16, massive giveaways, cripple industry, an invite to bring back Rackmanism, more and more windymills, people to give up cars for nationalised public transport, huge extra expenses for employers and yet we're supposed to believe unemployment won't soar etc etc. 

The man trades on a dishonest projection of supposed honesty.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 04:57:18 PM
when you said "manifestoes had no meaning whatsoever".   

It's a common belief or should I say misbelief?  I see so many people that say they will vote for party X and then admit they haven't read a word of their manifesto or election literature.   As I said, we increasingly get the politicians our increasingly shallow voters deserve.  I believe the two behaviours are linked.

I really do recommend people to scan read manifestoes, it's so easy with pdf downloads and Cntrl F to look for key points of interest but even if not, the major media do dissect them very well as per the Beeb link I gave.

So to the point at hand, Corbyn hasn't put out a manifesto per se but his campaign web site is  facepalm: imho

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/ (http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/)  (you need to drill down through it)

Votes at 16, massive giveaways, cripple industry, an invite to bring back Rackmanism, more and more windymills, people to give up cars for nationalised public transport, huge extra expenses for employers and yet we're supposed to believe unemployment won't soar etc etc. 

The man trades on a dishonest projection of supposed honesty.

So there you have it: political promises of the kind each party makes in its manifesto are not legally enforceable. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11541708/The-court-case-that-proves-you-cant-sue-politicians-for-breaking-their-election-promises.html)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 12, 2015, 05:04:29 PM
He's got my vote  eveilgrin: eveilgrin: eveilgrin: eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
He's got my vote  eveilgrin: eveilgrin: eveilgrin: eveilgrin:

 ;D
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
So there you have it: political promises of the kind each party makes in its manifesto are not legally enforceable. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11541708/The-court-case-that-proves-you-cant-sue-politicians-for-breaking-their-election-promises.html)
true but as the body of that article shows it was a seriously flawed case as the judges said no promise was actually broken. 

It's very hard to hold a government to account for not 100% doing what it promised in a manifesto, there are so many issues with back bench rebellions and new facts that arise to expect perfection.

But when you look across the years they do made very serious efforts to implement their manifestoes and when you drill down through many alleged broken manifesto promises you nigh on every time find it was never in the manifesto or that party did not become the government.

So when this government reneged in weeks on its explicit manifesto promise to cap the cost to the aged for their care, that was a bit of a shock  ;D.   I don't think they've heard the last of that but we'll see.


Anyway if Corbyn ever becomes PM or his inadequacy hands it to a nasty Tory PM then I for one will blame the most accessible scapegoats.   
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
So there you have it: political promises of the kind each party makes in its manifesto are not legally enforceable. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11541708/The-court-case-that-proves-you-cant-sue-politicians-for-breaking-their-election-promises.html)
true but as the body of that article shows it was a seriously flawed case as the judges said no promise was actually broken. 

It's very hard to hold a government to account for not 100% doing what it promised in a manifesto, there are so many issues with back bench rebellions and new facts that arise to expect perfection.

But when you look across the years they do made very serious efforts to implement their manifestoes and when you drill down through many alleged broken manifesto promises you nigh on every time find it was never in the manifesto or that party did not become the government.

So when this government reneged in weeks on its explicit manifesto promise to cap the cost to the aged for their care, that was a bit of a shock  ;D.   I don't think they've heard the last of that but we'll see.


Anyway if Corbyn ever becomes PM or his inadequacy hands it to a nasty Tory PM then I for one will blame the most accessible scapegoats.   

So, what you are saying is....

Well you're plain wrong.  Manifestoes are a part of the UK constitution (see Salisbury convention)


But also....


It's very hard to hold a government to account for not 100% doing what it promised in a manifesto, there are so many issues with back bench rebellions and new facts that arise to expect perfection.


Okay.... ::)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 12, 2015, 06:17:56 PM
So lets see if I've got this right?

you say something is 0% (http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?action=post;quote=569547;topic=13080.45;last_msg=569600) with that "no meaning whatsoever" and when I challenge that seems I'm supposed to be in the wrong because it's not 100%.  Is that what you're saying?

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 12, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
So lets see if I've got this right?

you say something is 0% (http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?action=post;quote=569547;topic=13080.45;last_msg=569600) with that "no meaning whatsoever" and when I challenge that seems I'm supposed to be in the wrong because it's not 100%.  Is that what you're saying?

Um.... I'm not sure what you are saying this time to be honest.... Shrugs:

But yes, for the sake of the argument, lets just say that I was saying something was 0% and I DID accuse you of saying the very same something was not quite 100%... we'll call it 99% for the sake of this argument....  ;)

Where does that leave us...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 13, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
Yvette Balls is rattled.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 13, 2015, 06:56:32 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-is-going-to-cancel-some-supporters-votes-after-theyve-been-cast-10453449.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-is-going-to-cancel-some-supporters-votes-after-theyve-been-cast-10453449.html)

 rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 13, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
Oh dear. Stalin rools, OK?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on August 14, 2015, 08:37:42 AM
It's probably down to my age but to me the candidates lack a certain gravitas. Politics-lite as it were.


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.org%2Fhwnwymt3t%2FLabour_Candidates.jpg&hash=d60564df2299bd7aedd0fdf36355bfe666b61b6d) (http://postimg.org/image/hwnwymt3t/)


(A level student celebrates, deputy head and proud teacher look on, school caretaker sneaks in frame)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 14, 2015, 08:47:59 AM
 drumroll:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 14, 2015, 09:07:14 AM
It's probably down to my age but to me the candidates lack a certain gravitas. Politics-lite as it were.


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.org%2Fhwnwymt3t%2FLabour_Candidates.jpg&hash=d60564df2299bd7aedd0fdf36355bfe666b61b6d) (http://postimg.org/image/hwnwymt3t/)


(A level student celebrates, deputy head and proud teacher look on, school caretaker sneaks in frame)

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on August 14, 2015, 10:42:02 AM
It's probably down to my age but to me the candidates lack a certain gravitas. Politics-lite as it were.


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.org%2Fhwnwymt3t%2FLabour_Candidates.jpg&hash=d60564df2299bd7aedd0fdf36355bfe666b61b6d) (http://postimg.org/image/hwnwymt3t/)


(A level student celebrates, deputy head and proud teacher look on, school caretaker sneaks in frame)

 lol: lol:

Quite so.


You always knew where you were with the old crew. . .


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fm2ifkt64z%2FTony_Benn_Foot_PA.jpg&hash=3afec08b952dde5dd9773182b8eef984b7746347) (http://postimg.org/image/m2ifkt64z/)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on August 14, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
. . . You always knew where you were with the old crew. . .


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs21.postimg.org%2Fm2ifkt64z%2FTony_Benn_Foot_PA.jpg&hash=3afec08b952dde5dd9773182b8eef984b7746347) (http://postimg.org/image/m2ifkt64z/)
Even if said old crew hadn't got a clue themselves
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 14, 2015, 11:55:25 AM
It's probably down to my age but to me the candidates lack a certain gravitas. Politics-lite as it were.


(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs28.postimg.org%2Fhwnwymt3t%2FLabour_Candidates.jpg&hash=d60564df2299bd7aedd0fdf36355bfe666b61b6d) (http://postimg.org/image/hwnwymt3t/)


(A level student celebrates, deputy head and proud teacher look on, school caretaker sneaks in frame)

Not just these candidates but our politicians in general. Suits full of bugger all with very few exceptions.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 14, 2015, 07:08:53 PM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs8.postimg.org%2Fccf3mmn2p%2F11064757_1484543445173063_3912094772815072799_n.jpg&hash=12eb0dbb830fd35168f41248a9a7c27c6d9908a1) (http://postimg.org/image/ccf3mmn2p/)

 rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 16, 2015, 07:21:34 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs15.postimg.org%2Fk8yw820qv%2Fcooper.jpg&hash=335e1a15a47398e3ec5ba9dd05a0eb34ec7eff03) (http://postimg.org/image/k8yw820qv/)

 facepalm:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 16, 2015, 08:10:32 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs15.postimg.org%2Fk8yw820qv%2Fcooper.jpg&hash=335e1a15a47398e3ec5ba9dd05a0eb34ec7eff03) (http://postimg.org/image/k8yw820qv/)

 facepalm:

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 17, 2015, 07:06:07 AM
I see that Mandelsnake has been at it again  ::)  And failed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 17, 2015, 07:10:29 AM
I see that Mandelsnake has been at it again  ::)  And failed  :thumbsup:

Indeed!  ;D

They have The Gorgon begging people not to vote for Corbyn too! happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 20, 2015, 12:07:57 PM
#LabourPurge (https://twitter.com/search?q=labourpurge&src=typd)

happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 20, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
Rats in a sack  razz:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 20, 2015, 01:23:38 PM
Rats in a sack  razz:

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on August 20, 2015, 03:28:38 PM
Has he won yet?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 20, 2015, 03:30:44 PM
Has he won yet?

 lol: lol: lol:

I suppose it depends on your point of view...
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on August 21, 2015, 07:58:51 AM
Interesting that the BBC are giving a lot of coverage to Corbyn and none to the others  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 21, 2015, 11:54:20 AM
Interesting that the BBC are giving a lot of coverage to Corbyn and none to the others  rubschin:

Strange that eh?  lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on August 21, 2015, 12:56:50 PM
Interesting that the BBC are giving a lot of coverage to Corbyn and none to the others  rubschin:

Are you suggesting that our BBC, the envy of the western world for its objective and unbiased perspective on events has an ulterior motive...  whistle:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on August 23, 2015, 09:35:07 AM
Jeremy Corbyn wins economists’ backing for anti-austerity policies  (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/22/jeremy-corbyn-economists-backing-anti-austerity-policies-corbynomics)

Should it be in here or 'Fantastic headlines'...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 11, 2015, 07:04:49 AM
Results today!
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 11, 2015, 07:06:06 AM
Tomorrow  ::)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 11, 2015, 07:12:30 AM
Tomorrow  ::)

Oh...  redface:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on September 11, 2015, 08:11:32 AM
Tomorrow  ::)

Oh...  redface:

facepalm:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 11, 2015, 09:18:59 AM
Tomorrow  ::)

Oh...  redface:

facepalm:
facepalm: facepalm:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on September 11, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
Results today!

Premature again... noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 06:15:08 AM
Is it today like?  razz:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2015, 06:17:01 AM
Yup. I predict Yvette Cooper is practicing pouting right now  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 06:27:41 AM
Yup. I predict Yvette Cooper is practicing pouting right now  :thumbsup:

 ;D
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 10:42:52 AM
 scared2:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on September 12, 2015, 10:44:02 AM
 Party001: Party001: Party001: Party001:

Labour are doomed.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
He shoots... he scores! Party001:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 10:44:58 AM
A landslide! happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 10:49:36 AM
Corbyn and Watson - the winning team eh...?  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on September 12, 2015, 10:57:17 AM
They will drag the Labour party, kicking and screaming, back to the 1970s.  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: The Moan Ranger on September 12, 2015, 10:58:25 AM
Corbyn and Watson - the winning team eh...?  noooo:

That is a degree of unparalleled cuntishness. Shocking,  hilarious but ultimately very damaging.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
A shameful day
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
A shameful day

Democracy is great until it gives the 'wrong' result right...?  lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
A shameful day

Democracy is great until it gives the 'wrong' result right...?  lol:
So if we took in 50 million migrants over 4 months and gave them the vote in a massively distorted election would that be democracy?   noooo:

If we knew that a number of those were openly bragging they came in just to destroy the UK would we call that right?    noooo: 

We'd call it shameful and same applies to this vote distorted by the malicious in intent and dilettante in behaviour.


Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 01:54:13 PM
A shameful day

Democracy is great until it gives the 'wrong' result right...?  lol:
So if we took in 50 million migrants over 4 months and gave them the vote in a massively distorted election would that be democracy?   noooo:

If we knew that a number of those were openly bragging they came in just to destroy the UK would we call that right?    noooo: 

We'd call it shameful and same applies to this vote distorted by the malicious in intent and dilettante in behaviour.

I seriously doubt if the result has been skewed by the three Pounders that wished destruction on the Labour party... ::)

Corbyn has been immensely popular - I followed his campaign of FaceAche - and has lots of people like Owen Jones and the unions backing him.

Owen Jones alone has three hundred and thirty eight thousand followers! Jones has been following Corbyn around like a pet dog!

Like it or not, there are still millions that believe that Socialism will work if they try it just one more time...  lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2015, 05:25:17 PM
The problem with the word socialism is there are way too many Corbynistas and Michael Footinmouthites that think it means public ownership of all employment.  It does not.

FWIW  I thought NewLabs version worked well until the fatally weakened Blair let Brown run riot.

As for this election the figures show it very much was perverted.  Corbyn had a majority of just over 80,000 votes.  He got more than that (88,499) out of the 105,000 three pounders plus then there are the 100,000 new members since the election.  Those so committed to Labour they did stuff all to help when it mattered.

As for Arsebook of course Corbyn with his ghost written economics complete with false endoresment were so popular there.  Any fool or fraud can promise free money, take a fucking genius to deliver it without nasty consequences.

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sunnation.co.uk%2Fs3%2Fsunnation-prod%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2F02_5f197f42-5688-1_2479809a-653x651.jpg&hash=806aae0976af81535db01c7da57094a024c5ff89)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 12, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
The problem with the word socialism is there are way too many Corbynistas and Michael Footinmouthites that think it means public ownership of all employment.  It does not.

FWIW  I thought NewLabs version worked well until the fatally weakened Blair let Brown run riot.

As for this election the figures show it very much was perverted.  Corbyn had a majority of just over 80,000 votes.  He got more than that (88,499) out of the 105,000 three pounders plus then there are the 100,000 new members since the election.  Those so committed to Labour they did stuff all to help when it mattered.

As for Arsebook of course Corbyn with his ghost written economics complete with false endoresment were so popular there.  Any fool or fraud can promise free money, take a fucking genius to deliver it without nasty consequences.

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sunnation.co.uk%2Fs3%2Fsunnation-prod%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2F02_5f197f42-5688-1_2479809a-653x651.jpg&hash=806aae0976af81535db01c7da57094a024c5ff89)

Oh boo-hoo! happy001

It will be interesting to see the results of the post mortem and just exactly how many of those that voted for him were nasty tories and how many were the likes of Owen Jones and his mass of followers and other union members...

...you know, those that really do believe that public ownership of everything is a good thing....

...those that have ignored or forgotten the complete failure of socialism every single time it has been tried....

Whatever. It is a change in British politics that was needed IMHO... the coagulation of politics in the centre has not been good for the country (IMHO) and this will hopefully move the tories towards the right or leave a gap for UKIP...
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 12, 2015, 09:37:08 PM
Possibly but something tells me there will only be a fairly short window of opportunity here, I wouldn't be surprised to be another leadership vote in 12 months or so...  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2015, 09:50:33 PM
Is this a good time to point out Corbyn is a gooner? 
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2015, 10:49:41 PM
from Ms Raccoon's site

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fannaraccoon.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2Farticle-2561756-0030411300000258-859_306x4621-e1441743097691.jpg&hash=eeff614871d0b4eabe8b62669c7ee8b6768d4498)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on September 14, 2015, 01:16:15 PM
Is this a good time to point out Corbyn is a gooner?


 eeek:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 14, 2015, 01:25:07 PM

Is this a good time to point out Corbyn is a gooner?


 eeek:
seems he's also a veggie eeek:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 14, 2015, 02:34:52 PM
Quote
Jeremy Corbyn’s new Shadow Environment Secretary is a vegan! Kerry McCarthy is a vocal animal rights campaigner who hasn’t eaten meat for 20 years. She might not be able to help farmers with their meat, but at least turnip production will be up 5000%.

Clicky...  (http://order-order.com/#:KqaM4JGig0jSCA)

My Turnip Futures.....  cloud9:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on September 14, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Quote
Jeremy Corbyn’s new Shadow Environment Secretary is a vegan! Kerry McCarthy is a vocal animal rights campaigner who hasn’t eaten meat for 20 years. She might not be able to help farmers with their meat, but at least turnip production will be up 5000%.

Clicky...  (http://order-order.com/#:KqaM4JGig0jSCA)

My Turnip Futures.....  cloud9:

 cloud9:

Ker-ching  :thumbsup:

Perhaps you should invest some more while the market is climbing?
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 14, 2015, 03:30:08 PM
Quote
Jeremy Corbyn’s new Shadow Environment Secretary is a vegan! Kerry McCarthy is a vocal animal rights campaigner who hasn’t eaten meat for 20 years. She might not be able to help farmers with their meat, but at least turnip production will be up 5000%.

Clicky...  (http://order-order.com/#:KqaM4JGig0jSCA)

My Turnip Futures.....  cloud9:

 cloud9:

Ker-ching  :thumbsup:

Perhaps you should invest some more while the market is climbing?

Sign me up Mr. Darwin Sir!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on September 14, 2015, 03:33:42 PM
Quote
Jeremy Corbyn’s new Shadow Environment Secretary is a vegan! Kerry McCarthy is a vocal animal rights campaigner who hasn’t eaten meat for 20 years. She might not be able to help farmers with their meat, but at least turnip production will be up 5000%.

Clicky...  (http://order-order.com/#:KqaM4JGig0jSCA)

My Turnip Futures.....  cloud9:

 cloud9:

Ker-ching  :thumbsup:

Perhaps you should invest some more while the market is climbing?

Sign me up Mr. Darwin Sir!  :thumbsup:

No problem  :thumbsup:

I bet you are glad you signed that Direct Debit for Selection Investments (2015) ltd.  angel1
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 14, 2015, 11:09:34 PM
Sounds like he has made some blinding choices for his shadow cabinet...  noooo:

Quote
Labour's new shadow farming minister is a vegan animal rights activist who believes cattle and sheep farming is 'no longer sustainable'.

Bristol MP Kerry McCarthy, who has railed against the Government's badger cull despite widespread support among farmers, was given the top shadow cabinet post in Jeremy Corbyn's controversial reshuffle today.
The appointment was attacked by the Countryside Alliance who urged the Labour party to 're-engage' with farmers.

Ms McCarthy's promotion was one of a number of surprise appointments to the shadow cabinet, in a chaotic day in Westminster.

Michael Dugher – a self-declared 'curry obsessive' and karaoke fan – was made Culture Secretary.

Lucy Powell – Ed Miliband's former adviser – was given the plum job of Education Secretary despite admitting last month that she had 'never, ever met or spoken to' Mr Corbyn.

Labour's new chief whip in the Lords, Steve Bassam, meanwhile, is the chief executive of the Squatters Association.

Not to mention the new Shadow Chancellor is an 'ultra-radical MP' (or as normal people would say, a complete cockwomble), IRA sympathiser who was once quoted as wanting to assassinate Margaret Thatcher, and close friend of Jeremy Corbyn who would 'swim through vomit' to oppose benefits cuts.

This is sounding less like a political party and more like a fringe protest group.  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 14, 2015, 11:14:37 PM
It's fantastic  :thumbsup: razz:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 14, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
I'm not so sure, while the Labour party only has itself to blame there needs to be a strong opposition party in the house. At this rate I can see the Scottish Nutjob Party taking the role, especially if Labour does end up splitting.  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 15, 2015, 06:53:05 AM
Quote
Jeremy Corbyn’s new Shadow Environment Secretary is a vegan! Kerry McCarthy is a vocal animal rights campaigner who hasn’t eaten meat for 20 years. She might not be able to help farmers with their meat, but at least turnip production will be up 5000%.

Clicky...  (http://order-order.com/#:KqaM4JGig0jSCA)

My Turnip Futures.....  cloud9:

 cloud9:

Ker-ching  :thumbsup:

Perhaps you should invest some more while the market is climbing?

Sign me up Mr. Darwin Sir!  :thumbsup:

No problem  :thumbsup:

I bet you are glad you signed that Direct Debit for Selection Investments (2015) ltd.  angel1

Did I....?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 15, 2015, 06:50:34 PM
http://order-order.com/2015/09/15/corbyn-and-watson-accused-of-swiping-sandwiches-meant-for-veterans/#:mMQHOOPb8bJI1Q (http://order-order.com/2015/09/15/corbyn-and-watson-accused-of-swiping-sandwiches-meant-for-veterans/#:mMQHOOPb8bJI1Q)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 15, 2015, 11:34:48 PM
http://order-order.com/2015/09/15/corbyn-and-watson-accused-of-swiping-sandwiches-meant-for-veterans/#:mMQHOOPb8bJI1Q (http://order-order.com/2015/09/15/corbyn-and-watson-accused-of-swiping-sandwiches-meant-for-veterans/#:mMQHOOPb8bJI1Q)
noooo:

I blame those who voted for him
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on September 16, 2015, 10:21:04 AM
Just saw him on the beeb, when asked about not singing the Nation Anthem his answer was a touch evasive. We know his stance is anti-monarchy but he was loathe to say so.

He's learning.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 16, 2015, 10:51:50 AM
First PMQs  Sinister: Sinister:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 16, 2015, 11:02:56 AM
First PMQs  Sinister: Sinister:

 eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 16, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
He is handling it quite well  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 16, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
He is handling it quite well  rubschin:

He is!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 16, 2015, 11:38:43 AM
In Guidos comments...

Quote
Jezza: And now a question from Ibrahim from Luton; "I KILL YOU INFIDEL BASTARD MAN, MANY HEAD CHOPPINGS. Where's me bennies?"

happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 16, 2015, 05:45:41 PM
He is handling it quite well  rubschin:

He is!  ;D
He was a lot better than I thought he'd be but Cameron played him like a fiddle

Summary:

Corbyn: someone wants me to ask "Can we have more?"
Cameron:  you have to have a strong economy first

(repeat 5 times)

If that's the unequal battlefield for the next years then Labour might as well go home now.

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 16, 2015, 05:52:48 PM
http://order-order.com/2015/09/15/corbyn-and-watson-accused-of-swiping-sandwiches-meant-for-veterans/#:mMQHOOPb8bJI1Q (http://order-order.com/2015/09/15/corbyn-and-watson-accused-of-swiping-sandwiches-meant-for-veterans/#:mMQHOOPb8bJI1Q)
Not for the first time Guido was talking out of his arse

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/15/sandwichgate-jeremy-corby_n_8140678.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/15/sandwichgate-jeremy-corby_n_8140678.html)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 16, 2015, 05:54:51 PM
He is handling it quite well  rubschin:

He is!  ;D
He was a lot better than I thought he'd be but Cameron played him like a fiddle

Summary:

Corbyn: someone wants me to ask "Can we have more?"
Cameron:  you have to have a strong economy first

(repeat 5 times)

If that's the unequal battlefield for the next years then Labour might as well go home now.

Yup!  lol:

Perhaps it was a clever plan to avoid destruction at PMQs #1 as everybody expected...?  rubschin:

Whatever. The clearly can't let him go on like that....  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 16, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 17, 2015, 05:29:34 AM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:

He shagged Abbott! (http://order-order.com/2015/09/17/jezza-and-diane-were-lovers/#:ou4d7N2b4WO2-A)  sick2:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on September 17, 2015, 08:04:14 AM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:

He shagged Abbott! (http://order-order.com/2015/09/17/jezza-and-diane-were-lovers/#:ou4d7N2b4WO2-A)  sick2:

Until now, I had no sympathy for the man.  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2015, 11:10:23 AM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:

He shagged Abbott! (http://order-order.com/2015/09/17/jezza-and-diane-were-lovers/#:ou4d7N2b4WO2-A)  sick2:

Until now, I had no sympathy for the man.  noooo:
lol: lol: lol:

Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 17, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:

He shagged Abbott! (http://order-order.com/2015/09/17/jezza-and-diane-were-lovers/#:ou4d7N2b4WO2-A)  sick2:

Until now, I had no sympathy for the man.  noooo:

Probably blindfolded himself with the red flag..  rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2015, 05:07:38 PM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:

He shagged Abbott! (http://order-order.com/2015/09/17/jezza-and-diane-were-lovers/#:ou4d7N2b4WO2-A)  sick2:

Until now, I had no sympathy for the man.  noooo:

Probably blindfolded himself with the red flag..  rubschin:
Does remind one that "sometimes three bags are not enough"
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 17, 2015, 05:28:49 PM
Looks like the first of the Labour donors has come forward offering to bankroll a breakaway party.  rubschin:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3238221/Labour-donor-threatens-bankroll-moderate-break-away-party-warns-Comrade-Corbyn-lose-three-elections.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3238221/Labour-donor-threatens-bankroll-moderate-break-away-party-warns-Comrade-Corbyn-lose-three-elections.html)

And so it begins....
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on September 17, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
How long will he remain front page news for gaffes?  rubschin:

He shagged Abbott! (http://order-order.com/2015/09/17/jezza-and-diane-were-lovers/#:ou4d7N2b4WO2-A)  sick2:

Until now, I had no sympathy for the man.  noooo:

Probably blindfolded himself with the red flag..  rubschin:
Does remind one that "sometimes three bags are not enough"
I've been trying not to think about it  noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2015, 06:21:02 PM
Oh you have me wrong.  Of course I merely meant three bags not enough to fetch all the pies that creature must consume


 char048
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 17, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Quote
I heard he whispered in her ear “Someday, we’re gonna be big, all we need to do is dream big” and she took it literally and high-tailed it to a pie-shop.

And...

Quote
“Comrade, in order to further the struggle against capitalist hegemony, I need to release some stress and endorphins through vigorous, but entirely equal, revolutionary sexual activity. Bend order please”

“OK Dianne”

From here... (http://www.timworstall.com/2015/09/17/hmm-25/#comments)

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on September 19, 2015, 05:34:20 AM
And they are re-making Citizen Smith....... rubschin:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 21, 2015, 11:24:49 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.postimg.org%2Fqj5fw52bv%2F12006661_1016839041679860_5078332160568144800_o.jpg&hash=a4fd92b8471009408f6b2cb4a10dd9db41c03d52) (http://postimg.org/image/qj5fw52bv/)


happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 21, 2015, 11:55:59 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs1.postimg.org%2Fqj5fw52bv%2F12006661_1016839041679860_5078332160568144800_o.jpg&hash=a4fd92b8471009408f6b2cb4a10dd9db41c03d52) (http://postimg.org/image/qj5fw52bv/)


happy001
happy001 happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 21, 2015, 08:58:05 PM
I have to admit, when I heard in the news that Dave had committed an obscene act with a pig my immediate thought was "Don't tell me he had a fling with Abbot as well  eeek: "  redface:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on September 21, 2015, 09:11:41 PM
I have to admit, when I heard in the news that Dave had committed an obscene act with a pig my immediate thought was "Don't tell me he had a fling with Abbot as well  eeek: "  redface:
lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on September 22, 2015, 12:14:25 AM
I have to admit, when I heard in the news that Dave had committed an obscene act with a pig my immediate thought was "Don't tell me he had a fling with Abbot as well  eeek: "  redface:
lol: lol: lol:

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on September 22, 2015, 04:36:35 AM
I have to admit, when I heard in the news that Dave had committed an obscene act with a pig my immediate thought was "Don't tell me he had a fling with Abbot as well  eeek: "  redface:

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on September 22, 2015, 07:56:54 AM
I have to admit, when I heard in the news that Dave had committed an obscene act with a pig my immediate thought was "Don't tell me he had a fling with Abbot as well  eeek: "  redface:

 lol: lol: lol:
lol: lol: lol: lol: sick2:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 24, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
Now I think about it, Milliband's unease when eating a bacon sandwich makes a lot more sense...  sick2:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on September 28, 2015, 01:02:58 PM
http://newsthump.com/2015/09/28/free-chips-and-topless-wednesdays-are-labours-first-peoples-policies/ (http://newsthump.com/2015/09/28/free-chips-and-topless-wednesdays-are-labours-first-peoples-policies/)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on September 28, 2015, 01:36:48 PM
http://newsthump.com/2015/09/28/free-chips-and-topless-wednesdays-are-labours-first-peoples-policies/ (http://newsthump.com/2015/09/28/free-chips-and-topless-wednesdays-are-labours-first-peoples-policies/)

Quote
“We’ll hide a camera in Eric Pickles office and turn up the heating at lunchtime and then everyone would see what topless Wednesdays and free chips would really look like.”

 eeek:   sick2:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on October 01, 2015, 05:10:02 PM
"We need to have a discussion about it." That is his catchphrase.

Why are the Scots so keen on having nuclear weapons?  scared2:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 01, 2015, 06:05:01 PM
I've always assumed that we keep our nuclear weapons in Scotland because if there's an accident, nobody really cares.
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Nick on October 01, 2015, 06:05:54 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on October 01, 2015, 06:14:05 PM
I've always assumed that we keep our nuclear weapons in Scotland because if there's an accident, nobody really cares.

happy001
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on October 01, 2015, 06:50:25 PM
I've always assumed that we keep our nuclear weapons in Scotland because if there's an accident, nobody really cares.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on October 01, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
I've always assumed that we keep our nuclear weapons in Scotland because if there's an accident, nobody really cares.

 ;D ;D ;D
lol: lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Darwins Selection on October 02, 2015, 03:03:27 PM
I've always assumed that we keep our nuclear weapons in Scotland because if there's an accident, nobody really cares.

 ;D ;D ;D
lol: lol: lol: lol:
lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 04, 2016, 12:08:28 AM
It's good to see that he was able to pick a shadow defence minister who knows her stuff...


pity that stuff has nothing to do with her role.  noooo:


"What's Defcon 1?"  Banghead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html)
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Barman on April 04, 2016, 06:55:32 AM
It's good to see that he was able to pick a shadow defence minister who knows her stuff...


pity that stuff has nothing to do with her role.  noooo:


"What's Defcon 1?"  Banghead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html)

 noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: apc2010 on April 04, 2016, 08:42:58 AM
It's good to see that he was able to pick a shadow defence minister who knows her stuff...


pity that stuff has nothing to do with her role.  noooo:


"What's Defcon 1?"  Banghead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html)

 noooo:

 noooo:
Title: Re: Jeremy Corbyn for Labour leader?
Post by: Steve on April 04, 2016, 03:53:24 PM
It's good to see that he was able to pick a shadow defence minister who knows her stuff...


pity that stuff has nothing to do with her role.  noooo:


"What's Defcon 1?"  Banghead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520759/Er-Defcon-One-Shadow-Defence-Minister-Emily-Thornberry-s-nuclear-gaffe-tells-aides-ve-seen-films.html)

 noooo:

 noooo:
noooo: noooo: