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Title: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 04:49:49 PM
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Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Uncle Mort on July 05, 2015, 04:52:38 PM
Is that yes or no?
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 04:54:18 PM
Is that yes or no?

No...  lol:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 04:56:18 PM
An earlier Oxi Day (http://www.ultimatehistoryproject.com/Oxi-day.html)...
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 05:02:27 PM
Most excellent summary!

Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 05:27:14 PM
Official: 7.5% of votes counted. No 59.7%, Yes 40.3%.
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Steve on July 05, 2015, 05:30:37 PM
Most excellent summary!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cAHJzk2JB-U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Yep

We're right into realpolitik territory now.  I would not want to be in Athens on Tuesday if the banks don't reopen.

What price another referendum later this month?
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Grumpmeister on July 05, 2015, 05:39:53 PM
An earlier Oxi Day (http://www.ultimatehistoryproject.com/Oxi-day.html)...

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Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Most excellent summary!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cAHJzk2JB-U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Yep

We're right into realpolitik territory now.  I would not want to be in Athens on Tuesday if the banks don't reopen.

What price another referendum later this month?

We are in unknown territory for sure!

How exciting!  ;D
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 05:42:04 PM
An earlier Oxi Day (http://www.ultimatehistoryproject.com/Oxi-day.html)...

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Bah!

It works for me....

Try this one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohi_Day)...
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 05:44:54 PM
http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html#{%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:{}} (http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html#{%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:{}})
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: apc2010 on July 05, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Most excellent summary!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cAHJzk2JB-U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I like his wines.... Thumbs:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2015, 06:28:18 PM
Most excellent summary!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cAHJzk2JB-U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I like his wines.... Thumbs:

facepalm:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Nick on July 05, 2015, 07:09:40 PM
I bet they have been printing Drachma for weeks................Next 72 hours will be interesting rubschin:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 06, 2015, 06:18:51 AM

How do they manage to count 11 million votes in about ten minutes when you have to sit up all night in the UK to find the result of your local council...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Steve on July 06, 2015, 08:39:14 AM
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How do they manage to count 11 million votes in about ten minutes when you have to sit up all night in the UK to find the result of your local council...?  rubschin:
Does seem a bit sus especially when they were all in sealed envelopes.  Maybe Greek vote counting is like Greek accounting

Are the Cyprus banks still linked to the Greek Banks?
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Darwins Selection on July 06, 2015, 08:55:46 AM
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How do they manage to count 11 million votes in about ten minutes when you have to sit up all night in the UK to find the result of your local council...?  rubschin:

UK doesn't do 'cash with order'.
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: apc2010 on July 13, 2015, 07:50:19 AM
Has the NO backfired on them.... rubschin:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 13, 2015, 08:24:08 AM
Has the NO backfired on them.... rubschin:

I dunno.... Shrugs:

They seem to have agreed a package of measures that will be almost impossible to get through the Greek parliament...

...and if they do get them through, the people won't be happy at all...  noooo:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Nick on July 13, 2015, 08:26:48 AM
Advice to UK tourists visiting Greece is to take "lots of cash"  ::)

What can possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Steve on July 13, 2015, 10:32:00 AM
Has the NO backfired on them.... rubschin:

I dunno.... Shrugs:

They seem to have agreed a package of measures that will be almost impossible to get through the Greek parliament...

...and if they do get them through, the people won't be happy at all...  noooo:

The phrase "tough shit" comes to mind.  When it emerged that countries like Slovakia live on a fraction of the standard of living the Greeks enjoy but still had responsibly put reforms through to join the Euro my sympathy for whining Greeks went from 'not much' to 'fuck all'

Seems they're going to be given another dose of unearned £5k for every man, woman and child and if they still can't get their act together to go after those bastards on the Lagarde list to make sure the right people pay up then they really do deserve to have the whole country go down the shitter.

rant over
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: apc2010 on July 13, 2015, 07:53:47 PM
Strikes now... noooo:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 13, 2015, 07:55:17 PM
Strikes now... noooo:

I suppose you may as well be 'on strike' as unemployed or about to be sacked...
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Nick on July 13, 2015, 07:56:54 PM
Strikes now... noooo:

How can they tell?  rubschin:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: apc2010 on July 13, 2015, 07:57:26 PM
Strikes now... noooo:

How can they tell?  rubschin:

 rubschin:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 16, 2015, 07:40:19 AM
So they voted for the new austerity package then...? facepalm:
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Grumpmeister on July 16, 2015, 07:53:49 AM
The response in the German media is looking interesting though, comparing the package to the Treaty of Versailles and hammering Merkel and Schauble over the whole affair...  rubschin:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/591314/Germany-accused-of-wrecking-post-WW2-reputation-with-role-in-Greece-crisis-by (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/591314/Germany-accused-of-wrecking-post-WW2-reputation-with-role-in-Greece-crisis-by)
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2015, 09:16:30 AM
So they voted for the new austerity package then...? facepalm:

A wise choice imho.  If they rejected it their economy could not support even the reduced pensions and wages they'll now implement.  Now they have a chance but this is Greece we're talking about so they could still fuck up even that chance.

And still Tsipras is chauffeur driven to work in a flash Audi when second hand Fiats are available
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Barman on July 16, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
So they voted for the new austerity package then...? facepalm:

A wise choice imho.  If they rejected it their economy could not support even the reduced pensions and wages they'll now implement.  Now they have a chance but this is Greece we're talking about so they could still fuck up even that chance.

And still Tsipras is chauffeur driven to work in a flash Audi when second hand Fiats are available

A wise choice if you want to kick the can down the road and be back here but worse in six months...

The only way out of this for them is to quit the €uro...
Title: Re: It looks like "oxi" wins!
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2015, 10:38:39 AM
So they voted for the new austerity package then...? facepalm:

A wise choice imho.  If they rejected it their economy could not support even the reduced pensions and wages they'll now implement.  Now they have a chance but this is Greece we're talking about so they could still fuck up even that chance.

And still Tsipras is chauffeur driven to work in a flash Audi when second hand Fiats are available

A wise choice if you want to kick the can down the road and be back here but worse in six months...

The only way out of this for them is to quit the €uro...
I don't know, no one really knows.

If they want to maintain their much better than current Slovakian standard of living then they will only do that inside the EZ where they can build up trade.  BUT BUT BUT there is the risk that they'll eff it all up and end up as a peasant economy anyway.  Or possibly a Colonels 2 dictatorship. 

What amazes me is the EZ apparently told the Greeks to go decide on an offer that the EZ hasn't agreed how it will be funded.  They apparently assumed the IMF would put money in.  No way should they and seems the IMF has in effect told the EZ that.

Seems the EZ big wigs have been monumentally stupid or arrogant or both.