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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Barman on May 28, 2013, 05:13:49 AM
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The Root of All Evil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiYgJrJ8qA#ws)
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The Root of All Evil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiYgJrJ8qA#ws)
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I haven't smoked for yonks, I don't being near someone smoking but I hate even more the way those barstards persecute those that do, even more so as they say they are doing it for my benefit.
It would be so easy to have pubs with smoking areas with proper filtration/extraction and if an employer wanted to do same then why not.
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I haven't smoked for yonks, I don't being near someone smoking but I hate even more the way those barstards persecute those that do, even more so as they say they are doing it for my benefit.
It would be so easy to have pubs with smoking areas with proper filtration/extraction and if an employer wanted to do same then why not.
The ex-pat bastards here phone the old bill........ noooo:
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I haven't smoked for yonks, I don't being near someone smoking but I hate even more the way those barstards persecute those that do, even more so as they say they are doing it for my benefit.
It would be so easy to have pubs with smoking areas with proper filtration/extraction and if an employer wanted to do same then why not.
I'm a never-smoker... angel1
Like you, I hate the prosecution and de-normalisation of smokers...
BUT, I also hate the argument that boozers (assuming the law was every changed/relaxed) should be fitted with filtration/extraction systems to ensure the safety of the patrons and staff. This idea merely perpetuates the myth that second-hand smoke is dangerous and smokers are in some way filthy/abnormal.
It should be up to the landlord to decide if his establishment allows smoking or not... staff and customers can then choose if they want to be there or the (probably empty) non-smoking establishment up the road.
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There is evidence that highest concentrations of second hand smoke are dangerous to a significant % of the population and that most do not want to be in any noticeable level of smoke. Seems fair that a public house should do something but the ban was just vindictive. The ceiling mounted extraction systems were just the job imho..
How are you on today's mooted ban of smoking in cars with young children (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-22684036)? Oz already has it. I'd agree too.
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There is evidence that highest concentrations of second hand smoke are dangerous to a significant % of the population and that most do not want to be in any noticeable level of smoke. Seems fair that a public house should do something but the ban was just vindictive. The ceiling mounted extraction systems were just the job imho..
How are you on today's mooted ban of smoking in cars with young children (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-22684036)? Oz already has it. I'd agree too.
There is actually no evidence that second-hand smoke is dangerous...
Surprisingly, after all these years of research and scare stories there is little evidence that primary smoking causes lung cancer either... yes, there is a statistically higher risk of getting lung cancer if you smoke but correlation isn't causation...
As for smoking in cars (outdoors, indoors, at home, at work, on the moon, etc.), it is no fucking business of the gubberment whether you do or not with or without children present....
The risks of smoking are well known to everybody (as are the risk of driving, skydiving, playing rugby, juggling chainsaws, riding a bicycle, swallowing swords, drinking meths, etc.) and it is down to adults to decide if they wish to take those risks (and expose their children to them) or not...
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So it would be OK for a parent to have their child juggling chainsaws then
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It never did me any harm
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So it would be OK for a parent to have their child juggling chainsaws then
That would be their parental decision to make...
...should the child come to any harm it would be the job of the courts to decide if the parents had acted irresponsibly or not...
What we don't need tho is a law banning children from juggling chainsaws. Like smoking in cars it would be unenforceable (see also mobile phones in cars) and therefore pointless...
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
:thumbsup: In Londinion they still allow the wanked out buses from the 60's to pass the MOT even though the emit shite loads of crap from the diesel engines. noooo:
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
You could have ended with your previous (well argued) sentence.... ;)
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
You could have ended with your previous (well argued) sentence.... ;)
But would that have the same impact? Would it convey my cynicism?
No, it wouldn't. 8)
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
You could have ended with your previous (well argued) sentence.... ;)
But would that have the same impact? Would it convey my cynicism?
No, it wouldn't. 8)
Your cynicism goes without saying.... ;)
Honestly, I see "No, thought not..." as the closing remarks of the daily Fail poster - I always read them with a nasal sneer.... lol:
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
You could have ended with your previous (well argued) sentence.... ;)
But would that have the same impact? Would it convey my cynicism?
No, thought not. 8)
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
You could have ended with your previous (well argued) sentence.... ;)
But would that have the same impact? Would it convey my cynicism?
No, thought not. 8)
whistle:
lol: lol: lol:
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Fuck this interlectual stuff. Who is having a shag tonight?
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Fuck this interlectual stuff. Who is having a shag tonight?
Not you, unless you are including your five fingered widow. point:
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Baldy speaks in forked tongue. I have been to the Serbian pub Shocked: Shocked: Shocked: Shocked:
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Baldy speaks in forked tongue. I have been to the Serbian pub Shocked: Shocked: Shocked: Shocked:
noooo: noooo: noooo: Admit it.... Wankah:
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Nice wimmin. No common tongue whistle:
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All bollocks as BM says I am a heavy smoker but show consideration ( unless some tosser tuts ) , never iin other peoples cars/house .if people are eating nearby etc ....
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All bollocks as BM says I am a heavy smoker but show consideration ( unless some tosser tuts ) , never iin other peoples cars/house .if people are eating nearby etc ....
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All bollocks as BM says I am a heavy smoker but show consideration ( unless some tosser tuts ) , never iin other peoples cars/house .if people are eating nearby etc ....
I am a smoker too not heavy these days but like you Apey always show consideration for other people..
But this whole issue has got out of hand..
Even when you smoke in designated areas outside people look at you as if you are scum, I have to say at times it is tempting to act like it just to annoy .. It can be very intimidating tho I have to admit it makes me more determined to do it.. eveilgrin:
It has even gone as far at werk of insisting that e-cigs can only been used in the smoking shelters, not in the open air WTF is that all about... evil:
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I too have noticed an increase in the incidence of tutting, handflapping and headshaking. Mind you, that happens even when I am not smoking redface:
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All bollocks as BM says I am a heavy smoker but show consideration ( unless some tosser tuts ) , never iin other peoples cars/house .if people are eating nearby etc ....
I am a smoker too not heavy these days but like you Apey always show consideration for other people..
But this whole issue has got out of hand..
Even when you smoke in designated areas outside people look at you as if you are scum, I have to say at times it is tempting to act like it just to annoy .. It can be very intimidating tho I have to admit it makes me more determined to do it.. eveilgrin:
It has even gone as far at werk of insisting that e-cigs can only been used in the smoking shelters, not in the open air WTF is that all about... evil:
We stil have bars n places that let you smoke ..... :thumbsup:
one guy told me the fine he paid ....was made up by the extra customers.....
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
"Oh, and btw. BM's a mong" p'raps? rubschin:
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All bollocks as BM says I am a heavy smoker but show consideration ( unless some tosser tuts ) , never iin other peoples cars/house .if people are eating nearby etc ....
I am a smoker too not heavy these days but like you Apey always show consideration for other people..
But this whole issue has got out of hand..
Even when you smoke in designated areas outside people look at you as if you are scum, I have to say at times it is tempting to act like it just to annoy .. It can be very intimidating tho I have to admit it makes me more determined to do it.. eveilgrin:
It has even gone as far at werk of insisting that e-cigs can only been used in the smoking shelters, not in the open air WTF is that all about... evil:
They brought that rule in recently at our place, so those trying to stop smoking have to go to the designated smoking area with the smokers Banghead
Same at last weekends rugby at the Etihad stadium, 6 -7hr's rugby each day, but if you wanted to use your e-cig, you had to go out with the "proper" smokers noooo: noooo: noooo:
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INSANE Banghead Banghead Banghead Banghead
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
"Oh, and btw. BM's a mong" p'raps? rubschin:
evil:
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Smoking is blamed for an awful lot of things it probably doesn't cause. But it is good to blame it as the gubberment can then tax it more heavily - "for your own good".
What DOES cause lung cancer is diesel fumes. And we all breathe those fumes day in, day out to a greater or lesser extent. So if the gubberment are really concerned about the health of us all, they should start by banning diesel.
No, thought not...
I fucking HATE IT when people end their argument, "No, thought not".... lol:
What ending would you have liked then?
"Oh, and btw. BM's a mong" p'raps? rubschin:
evil:
No no no no no no. noooo:
It's not ME saying that, I was merely suggesting an end of rant line for Moaniomondomonious as it's well documented that he thinks yer a mong.
I don't of course. noooo:
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Can anyone explain to me why you can't 'ave a snout on a OUTDOOR, UNENCLOSED staion platform btw?
I came within a whisker of getting meself into a whole load of trouble at Venice railway station a couple of years ago, and i wasn't even smoking FFS! Banghead
I was merely rolling a fag on their premises to smoke outside the station.
Major row erupted and I got into a lot of hot water with officialdom, not helped by the language barrier, thus me ending up having to get my point across by the use of hand signals. Angry9:
All very embarrasing, with crowds stopping to watch whilst I was dragged away shouting my protests by the Growler collective.
Wasn't talked to for 24 hours, and all because 'this troublemaker' eeek: noooo: DARED to roll a fag. eeek: eeek:
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Can anyone explain to me why you can't 'ave a snout on a OUTDOOR, UNENCLOSED staion platform btw?
I came within a whisker of getting meself into a whole load of trouble at Venice railway station a couple of years ago, and i wasn't even smoking FFS! Banghead
I was merely rolling a fag on their premises to smoke outside the station.
Major row erupted and I got into a lot of hot water with officialdom, not helped by the language barrier, thus me ending up having to get my point across by the use of hand signals. Angry9:
All very embarrasing, with crowds stopping to watch whilst I was dragged away shouting my protests by the Growler collective.
Wasn't talked to for 24 hours, and all because 'this troublemaker' eeek: noooo: DARED to roll a fag. eeek: eeek:
Bizarre init? Shrugs:
Can't smoke at the end of a two mile long open platform.... noooo:
... so you all stand outside the ticket office and everybody walks through a cloud of smoke on the way in! lol:
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One of my smoking bars has changed management ......English dude he has stopped smoking ..... noooo: give it 4 months..... noooo:
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One of my smoking bars has changed management ......English dude he has stopped smoking ..... noooo: give it 4 months..... noooo:
noooo:
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One of my smoking bars has changed management ......English dude he has stopped smoking ..... noooo: give it 4 months..... noooo:
noooo:
Gutless wonder ... eeek: What is wrong with people today .. where have all the rebels gone ...
People are so PC and lefty ... Here people just take it up the arse and smile.. Like this guy they are spreading all over the werld and taking their gutlessness with them ... cussing:
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One of my smoking bars has changed management ......English dude he has stopped smoking ..... noooo: give it 4 months..... noooo:
noooo:
Gutless wonder ... eeek: What is wrong with people today .. where have all the rebels gone ...
People are so PC and lefty ... Here people just take it up the arse and smile.. Like this guy they are spreading all over the werld and taking their gutlessness with them ... cussing:
All the bars near him you can smoke.......
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One of my smoking bars has changed management ......English dude he has stopped smoking ..... noooo: give it 4 months..... noooo:
noooo:
Gutless wonder ... eeek: What is wrong with people today .. where have all the rebels gone ...
People are so PC and lefty ... Here people just take it up the arse and smile.. Like this guy they are spreading all over the werld and taking their gutlessness with them ... cussing:
All the bars near him you can smoke.......
Not much of a business man then...... noooo:
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. . . and now the
Whitehall Weasels gubberment are getting in on the act regarding e-cigs!
I rather suspect that this is "softening up" in preparation for a swingeing tax on them.
Remember, like the EU now saying that banks will be free to go after your savings, you heard it first from me!
Marley's Ghost (PhD in both Pure, and Applied, Cynicism)
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. . . and now the Whitehall Weasels gubberment are getting in on the act regarding e-cigs!
I rather suspect that this is "softening up" in preparation for a swingeing tax on them.
Remember, like the EU now saying that banks will be free to go after your savings, you heard it first from me!
Marley's Ghost (PhD in both Pure, and Applied, Cynicism)
I heard it first here (http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2013/06/e-cigarettes-control-lobby-shows-its.html)... whistle:
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. . . and now the Whitehall Weasels gubberment are getting in on the act regarding e-cigs!
I rather suspect that this is "softening up" in preparation for a swingeing tax on them.
Remember, like the EU now saying that banks will be free to go after your savings, you heard it first from me!
Marley's Ghost (PhD in both Pure, and Applied, Cynicism)
I heard it first here (http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2013/06/e-cigarettes-control-lobby-shows-its.html)... whistle:
I didn't see any mention of taxing them in that 'article' BM - and it was that to which I alluded . . . .