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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: bodiam on December 01, 2011, 06:37:59 AM
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I agree 100% with what he said http://youtu.be/JWvpkZApE-o (http://youtu.be/JWvpkZApE-o) :thumbsup:
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See also: http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=10269.msg325542#msg325542 (http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=10269.msg325542#msg325542)
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You've gotta be quicker than that on here, Bodiam ;) Thanks for posting the video, though. :thumbsup:
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I agree 100% with what he said http://youtu.be/JWvpkZApE-o (http://youtu.be/JWvpkZApE-o) :thumbsup:
100% you say noooo:
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99% whistle: seriously tho, the people who thought he was serious need to get a life. Its Clarkson for Fecks Sake noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo:
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99% whistle: seriously tho, the people who thought he was serious need to get a life. Its Clarkson for Fecks Sake noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo:
Bollox. 100% :thumbsup:
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I certainly think that all public sector employees should understand that summary execution is one way of ending their employment !
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I certainly think that all public sector employees should understand that summary execution is one way of ending their employment !
before they get to pension age, save the taxpayer billions :thumbsup:
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99% whistle: seriously tho, the people who thought he was serious need to get a life. Its Clarkson for Fecks Sake noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo:
I was being sarcastic, of course its 100% eveilgrin:
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evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil: evil:
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Nice to see you here Miss D. I thought they'd had you shot in front of yer family. ;)
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When they said I had a bounty on my head I had a completely different idea lol:
However I guess I now have to go and hide down a drain where all despots resort to prior to execution noooo:
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When they said I had a bounty on my head I had a completely different idea lol:
However I guess I now have to go and hide down a drain where all despots resort to prior to execution noooo:
You could go and claim asylum in Somalia.
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When they said I had a bounty on my head I had a completely different idea lol:
However I guess I now have to go and hide down a drain where all despots resort to prior to execution noooo:
You could go and claim asylum in Semolina.
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Meanwhile, as the green wellied horesy and push bike riding lentil sucking dribbling sheep followers join forces in continuing to slag our hero JC off, good ole Boris gives him some public support. happ096
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24017038-mayor-enters-clarkson-row-as-complaints-grow.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24017038-mayor-enters-clarkson-row-as-complaints-grow.do)
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I phoned the BBC and supported him whistle:
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It is noticeable that they are not saying how many have taken his side in this.
Still I expect he'll sell even more copies of his new DVD because of it.
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Eggzackerly! The guests on the One Show are there for that sole purpose 8)
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I phoned the BBC and supported him whistle:
Did you, really? rubschin:
Number please. :thumbsup:
There should be an online petition of some sort showing the support he's got, to show these rancid humourless turgid twats up for what they really are. evil:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/)
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03700 100 222
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03700 100 222
I have left my recorded message...most polite eeek:...asking them to show just how many are in fact supporting Clarkson as well as complaining.
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Further, it is reported elsewhere that JC TOLD the One Show producers what he was going to say and they were fine with it!
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I suggest we all ring the beeb requesting what I did.
I'm now going to join in and post the number on the relevant thread on me motoring forum that I frequent with 70,000 + members.
Nearly everyone on the current 6 pages has given full support to Clarkson so far, with very similar comments to ours in here. :thumbsup:
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2 threads running over there Shrugs: so I've copied and pasted the number asking readers to ring up and show some support. :thumbsup:
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The civil servants cant have it all ways, if they want support from the rest of us going on strike to make us, the taxpayer pay more for their pensions when many of us are on the bones of our arses, with no pension to look forward to is not the right way to do it. Massive own goal methinks !! noooo:
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Meanwhile, more trouble brewing:
http://news.uk.msn.com/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=159976734 (http://news.uk.msn.com/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=159976734)
I'm sorry rubschin:....no I'm not... but this guy talks/shoots 'straight from the hip' and much sense.
If the truth offends, then tough shit. He's correct. happ096
He's not belittling the fact that those that do this are obviously in dire need of desperate help, and yes, he like the rest of us feel sad and want to help if given the chance, but they ARE downright bloody selfish. He's correct, and as hard as it might be to admit for some, he IS CORRECT!
I wish to god he'd stand for election somewhere sometime soon. Too many mealey mouthed lying cheating thieving sweet talking sickly sugary tossers with far too much power now.
Lets take the absolutely no doubt about it, role model and top proffesional footballer Gary Speed.
Did he even think for one passing nano second just how he was going to wreck and possibly mentally scar the rest of the lives of his two teenage boys and wife who found him following his lurching off a chair or whatever with a noose around his neck.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is so so so bad that it deserves putting loved ones through that, NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING. noooo:
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Lets take the absolutely no doubt about it, role model and top proffesional footballer Gary Speed.
Did he even think for one passing nano second just how he was going to wreck and possibly mentally scar the rest of the lives of his two teenage boys and wife who found him following his lurching off a chair or whatever with a noose around his neck.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is so so so bad that it deserves putting loved ones through that, NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING. noooo:
I don't think any of us can put ourselves in the mindset of somebody that feels the only option open to them is to end their own life.... noooo:
However, thousands are in just that position every year.
Unfortunately, society views suicide so negatively that it is quite difficult to end your own life humanely without distress to others.
I believe that suicide should be a 'normal' option open to people that want to end their lives - for whatever reason. Certainly for people with terminal illness who we decide to keep alive (often in great pain) due to the 'sanctity of life'. Christ, we treat our dogs and cats with more humanity... evil:
I think if suicide was 'normalised' people would find it easier to discuss their options with family before taking such a painful decision. Also, they'd be able to end their lives humanely and without pain or (undue) distress (or inconvenience) to others...
I'd certainly like the option of ending mine if the point ever comes that I believe it not to be worth living.
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Now what you say is a completely different subject.
Call it suicide, but it's also known as euthinasia, and on that point I entirely agree with you. :thumbsup:
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Now what you say is a completely different subject.
Call it suicide, but it's also known as euthinasia, and on that point I entirely agree with you. :thumbsup:
So now extend it from people with a physical illness to people that have a mental illness or believe (for whatever reason) that life is no longer worth living - even if they are in perfect physical health...
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Extend it? It's not even legal for people with terminal diseases!
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Extend it? It's not even legal for people with terminal diseases!
Exactly...
But I was referring to Growler's thinking on the subject....
he thinks suicide is okay if you have a terminal illness but not a mental illness - or are just fed up with life...
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Well I can't look into or even understand what goes on in the mind of someone with obvious mental problems, but that wasn't my point. I was merely stating that what JC says is correct IMO.
It's the poor sods that are left behind to pick up the pieces, quite literally in some cases, or have to witness the extreme trauma ( I imagine) of witnessing such finality.
Are these people given any thought whatsoever ? I think not, so therefore it is selfishness in the extreme.
There are many ways of topping yourself if you really really cannot seek help or really really cannot control yourself.
Hanging or lobbing yourself in front of a train is NOT one of them imo. noooo:
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I don't think any of us can put ourselves in the mindset of somebody that feels the only option open to them is to end their own life.... noooo:
I can
Oh, and TMR of course whistle:
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Well I can't look into or even understand what goes on in the mind of someone with obvious mental problems, but that wasn't my point. I was merely stating that what JC says is correct IMO.
It's the poor sods that are left behind to pick up the pieces, quite literally in some cases, or have to witness the extreme trauma ( I imagine) of witnessing such finality.
Are these people given any thought whatsoever ? I think not, so therefore it is selfishness in the extreme.
There are many ways of topping yourself if you really really cannot seek help or really really cannot control yourself.
Hanging or lobbing yourself in front of a train is NOT one of them imo. noooo:
But you contradict yourself there...
You say that you can't look into the mind of a suicide but then say they should obviously apply logical reason and thought to the process...
I'd argue that somebody so desperate to end their life is probably not thinking about the consequences...
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Well I can't look into or even understand what goes on in the mind of someone with obvious mental problems, but that wasn't my point. I was merely stating that what JC says is correct IMO.
It's the poor sods that are left behind to pick up the pieces, quite literally in some cases, or have to witness the extreme trauma ( I imagine) of witnessing such finality.
Are these people given any thought whatsoever ? I think not, so therefore it is selfishness in the extreme.
There are many ways of topping yourself if you really really cannot seek help or really really cannot control yourself.
Hanging or lobbing yourself in front of a train is NOT one of them imo. noooo:
But you contradict yourself there...
You say that you can't look into the mind of a suicide but then say they should obviously apply logical reason and thought to the process...
I'd argue that somebody so desperate to end their life is probably not thinking about the consequences...
Correct, and that's all that I'm trying to state.
Like JC, I'm not belittling AT ALL the fact that someone is so mixed up that they feel they cannot go on. I'm merely stating sympathy for those that they leave behind to deal with the trauma and mess, and possible/probable future mental issues for themselves as a consequence. eeek:
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Well I can't look into or even understand what goes on in the mind of someone with obvious mental problems, but that wasn't my point. I was merely stating that what JC says is correct IMO.
It's the poor sods that are left behind to pick up the pieces, quite literally in some cases, or have to witness the extreme trauma ( I imagine) of witnessing such finality.
Are these people given any thought whatsoever ? I think not, so therefore it is selfishness in the extreme.
There are many ways of topping yourself if you really really cannot seek help or really really cannot control yourself.
Hanging or lobbing yourself in front of a train is NOT one of them imo. noooo:
But you contradict yourself there...
You say that you can't look into the mind of a suicide but then say they should obviously apply logical reason and thought to the process...
I'd argue that somebody so desperate to end their life is probably not thinking about the consequences...
Correct, and that's all that I'm trying to state.
Like JC, I'm not belitting AT ALL the fact that someone is so mixed up that they feel they cannot go on. I'm merely stating sympathy for those that they leave behind to deal with the trauma and mess, and possible/probable future mental issues for themselves as a consequence. eeek:
I made a mistake...
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I'd argue that somebody so desperate to end their life is is probably not capable of thinking about the consequences...
I don't doubt how traumatic it can be for those that witness the act or discover the person afterwards...
The point is, if we 'normalised' suicide instead of demonising those that wish to end their lives this might not be such a frequent occurrence....
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Clarkson needs to understand about depression and desperation before he spouts such bollocks. The person throwing themselves in front of the train is not in their "right" mind. No "right-minded" person would carry out such an act. He needs to look at what led to that person carrying out that act, then maybe he'd understand and show some compassion for all involved
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Clarkson needs to understand about depression and desperation before he spouts such bollocks. The person throwing themselves in front of the train is not in their "right" mind. No "right-minded" person would carry out such an act. He needs to look at what led to that person carrying out that act, then maybe he'd understand and show some compassion for all involved
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He does, as do I, but more importantly now, in the AFTERMATH the 'event', (what's done is done with no turning back) those that are left behind to pick the pieces up that were probably reasonably happy and content, but have now been turned into a total and utter mental mess themselves.
I know of perfectly normal and happy (ish) people that have topped themselves because of one of their close friends or relatives doing just that. THAT'S just how bad things can spiral out of control for the unthought of, unconsidered ones that are left behind.
I'm not trying to understand or even discuss severe mental illness here, as I am NOT an expert on the subject, I'm merely...and repeating myself....trying to state my full horror, understanding sympathy support and sadness to those that are left behind.
The treating of those with severe mental problems that cannot help themselves need to be dealt with more stringently by those that actually know what they are proffesionally talking about, and i admit that I am NOT one of those.
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Well ~ I think that's all thrashed out now ....... shall we accept that we are never all going to agree and move on?
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He does, as do I, but more importantly now, in the AFTERMATH the 'event', (what's done is done with no turning back) those that are left behind to pick the pieces up that were probably reasonably happy and content, but have now been turned into a total and utter mental mess themselves.
I know of perfectly normal and happy (ish) people that have topped themselves because of one of their close friends or relatives doing just that. THAT'S just how bad things can spiral out of control for the unthought of, unconsidered ones that are left behind.
I'm not trying to understand or even discuss severe mental illness here, as I am NOT an expert on the subject, I'm merely...and repeating myself....trying to state my full horror, understanding sympathy support and sadness to those that are left behind.
The treating of those with severe mental problems that cannot help themselves need to be dealt with more stringently by those that actually know what they are proffesionally talking about, and i admit that I am NOT one of those.
I don't think you need to tell me how bad things can be after a suicide.... noooo:
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noooo:
He does, as do I, but more importantly now, in the AFTERMATH the 'event', (what's done is done with no turning back) those that are left behind to pick the pieces up that were probably reasonably happy and content, but have now been turned into a total and utter mental mess themselves.
I know of perfectly normal and happy (ish) people that have topped themselves because of one of their close friends or relatives doing just that. THAT'S just how bad things can spiral out of control for the unthought of, unconsidered ones that are left behind.
I'm not trying to understand or even discuss severe mental illness here, as I am NOT an expert on the subject, I'm merely...and repeating myself....trying to state my full horror, understanding sympathy support and sadness to those that are left behind.
The treating of those with severe mental problems that cannot help themselves need to be dealt with more stringently by those that actually know what they are proffesionally talking about, and i admit that I am NOT one of those.
Unless I missed it, Clarkson doesn't even mention the families, he mentions the disruption and the train driver, so at least he has compassion for one person
In his column in The Sun newspaper, Clarkson said: "I have the deepest sympathy for anyone whose life is so mangled and messed up that they believe death's icy embrace will be better."
He said around 200 people a year "decide that the best way to go is by hurling themselves in front of a speeding train" and adds: "However, it is a very selfish way to go because the disruption it causes is immense. And think what it's like for the poor train driver who sees you lying on the line and can do absolutely nothing to avoid a collision."
At least you have sympathy, support and sadness to those that are left behind Growler :thumbsup:
As for Clarkson for Prime Minister, "be careful for what you wish for, you might just get it"
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Well ~ I think that's all thrashed out now ....... shall we accept that we are never all going to agree and move on?
Good idea, but I doubt it will happen.
If I could introduce a point of pedantry:
Call it suicide, but it's also known as euthinasia. . .
Strictly, suicide is taking ones own life (sui=self as Dr Nick will know).
Voluntary Euthanasia is when someone else takes your life because you wish it ended and ask them to do so.
Involuntary Euthanasia (and originally Euthanasia without any prequalification) is essentially murder, ending someone elses life because you think it is better for them.
That is what we practice on sick animals that we judge should be "put out of their misery".