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		Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Barman on October 29, 2011, 06:17:46 AM
		
			
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				EU: Treaty of debt (ESM) - stop it now! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CZr17HLH5U#ws)
 
 From Dan Hannan in The Torygraph (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100114217/a-german-view-of-the-bailout-deal/#disqus_thread)
 
 scared2:
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				There is one overriding principle that makes this nonsense ...... They cannot take that which we do not have.
 
 Throughout history various groups have tried to rule the world and take everything for themselves~ without exception they have ultimately failed. Eventually the worms turn and fight back, usually when their backs are to the wall and they have nothing left to lose.
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				You can't inject cash into the economy that you don't have either!  :thumbsup:
 
 Oh, hold on tho...  rubschin:
 
 
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				Watch it to the end ...  ;)
 
 http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12611732/the-european-bailout-explained (http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12611732/the-european-bailout-explained)
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				Watch it to the end ...  ;)
 
 http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12611732/the-european-bailout-explained (http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12611732/the-european-bailout-explained)
 
 
 I saw that earlier....  redface:
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				...  the link in the comments following the OP, like  whistle:
			
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				A referendum now  eeek:
			
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				A referendum now  eeek:
 
 
 Luvleee!  Sinister:
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				I don't think the EU likes people voting.
			
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				Clever tactic. If it's a 'Yes' he's an  angel1 with the EuroMeisters, if it's a 'No' he's listened to his people  angel1
			
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				I don't think the EU likes people voting the 'wrong' way.
 
 
 whistle:
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				Clever tactic. If it's a 'Yes' he's an  angel1 with the EuroMeisters, if it's a 'No' he's listened to his people  angel1
 
 
 Pasty has it right - he was staring a noose in the face wasn't he...?
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				Clever tactic. If it's a 'Yes' he's an  angel1 with the EuroMeisters, if it's a 'No' he's listened to his people  angel1
 
 
 Pasty has it right - he was staring a noose in the face wasn't he...?
 
 
 Pity Camermong doesn't have the same outlook
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				Clever tactic. If it's a 'Yes' he's an  angel1 with the EuroMeisters, if it's a 'No' he's listened to his people  angel1
 
 
 Pasty has it right - he was staring a noose in the face wasn't he...?
 
 
 Pity Camermong doesn't have the same outlook
 
 
 He does!  eveilgrin:
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				I think that's more playing to the crowd than an actual opinion. If it really was the case then he'd slap septic Clegg down and announce the referendum knowing that it would guarantee him a majority come the next election.
			
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				What next in the Greek tragedy?   rubschin:
 
 
 16.59: A quick re-cap on how the Greek developments have unfolded.
 
 Last week, Europe’s leaders approve a new €130bn bail-out for Greece, which foresees a 50 per cent loss for holders of Greek debt, as well as other measures designed to stem the eurozone’s sovereign debt crisis
 There is much rejoicing in the markets, despite warnings from the wise that the lack of details in the deal is ominous
 
 Then, on Monday, George Papandreou, Greece’s prime minister, drops a bombshell: he will offer Greeks a referendum on the new rescue package
 There is much anguish in markets
 
 On Wednesday, Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy summon Papandreou to Cannes on the eve of the G20 summitto hang him by the thumbs until he bucklesfor crisis talks
 Merkozy emerge to warn that Greece will receive no more bail-out cash until it decides what it wants
 Meanwhile, it emerges that the plan is to hold a referendum not merely on the bail-out but on Greece’s very membership of the single currency
 
 Thursday dawns with news that Evangelos Venizelos, the Greek finance minister, is no fan of the referendum idea
 Zero hour in Athens as Papandreou, on the brink of resignation, summons his ministers
 There is much confusion in the markets
 
 As the enormity of what might befall Greece should it not receive any more rescue cash and, perhaps, be flung from the euro, becomes clearer, the opposition conservatives reverse their opposition to the bail-out
 
 This gives Papandreou the “consensus” he has been seeking, meaning he can drop the referendum plan. He does not resign
 Papandreou heads to parliament to address his MPs, where tomorrow he still faces a confidence vote
 
 
 Popcorn:
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				This has got betterer and betterer!
 
 If Papandreou was playing brinkmanship then he surely hasn't taken into account the anger of the people at haven't a referendum snatched away from them...  eveilgrin: