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Re: From the Fantastic Headlines thread - No Fly After Brexit
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2018, 03:36:41 PM »
It's over when it's over.  I accepted the result but I cannot accept the wilful incompetence of how May has pursued it.  I say again there is a decent deal to be had. 

You seem to be conflating the two types of flight route

- flights to and from the EU

- flights between two EU countries

Very different rules apply.  Easyjet need to do both types of flight.  How an Austrian HQ works for them I do not know

I'm not conflating anything...

We've established that flights are possible to/from EU and non-EU countries.

We've established (thanks TMR)  that it is relatively simple for an airline based in a non-EU country to fly within the EU. . .
No we haven't

Is it simple that Easy are establishing a company based in Austria to protect much of their business model?   Two sets of overheads and they will have to pay taxes to Austria that would have gone to us.  £80 million here, £80 million there pretty soon you're talking real money.

Quote from: Michael O’Leary
CEO Michael O’Leary says he wants to make people realise they are “no longer going to have cheap holidays”

Ryanair is threatening to ground its planes to persuade voters to “rethink” Brexit .

Michael O’Leary, the budget airline’s chief executive, said he wants to “create an opportunity” by making people realise they are “no longer going to have cheap holidays.”

He told an audience of airline leaders in Brussels: “I think it’s in our interests – not for a long period of time – that the aircraft are grounded.

“It’s only when you get to that stage where you’re going to persuade the average British voter that you were lied to in the entire Brexit debate.

“You were promised you could leave the EU and everything would stay the same. The reality is you can leave the EU, yes that’s your choice, but everything will fundamentally change.”

Mr O’Leary warned that there would be a “real crisis” as flights between the UK and the EU are disrupted after Brexit.

He said: “When you begin to realise that you’re no longer going to have cheap holidays in Portugal or Spain or Italy, you’ve got to drive to Scotland or get a ferry to Ireland as your only holiday options, maybe we’ll begin to rethink the whole Brexit debate.

“They were misled and I think we have to create an opportunity.”

EasyJet chief executive Johan Lundgren, who was on stage alongside Mr O’Leary, interrupted him to say: “If you start grounding your planes, I’m flying.

I'm guessing he knows what he is talking about...  ;)
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Re: From the Fantastic Headlines thread - No Fly After Brexit
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2018, 03:42:56 PM »
It's over when it's over.  I accepted the result but I cannot accept the wilful incompetence of how May has pursued it.  I say again there is a decent deal to be had. 

You seem to be conflating the two types of flight route

- flights to and from the EU

- flights between two EU countries

Very different rules apply.  Easyjet need to do both types of flight.  How an Austrian HQ works for them I do not know


I'm not conflating anything...

We've established that flights are possible to/from EU and non-EU countries.

We've established (thanks TMR)  that it is relatively simple for an airline based in a non-EU country to fly within the EU. . .
No we haven't

Is it simple that Easy are establishing a company based in Austria to protect much of their business model?   Two sets of overheads and they will have to pay taxes to Austria that would have gone to us.  £80 million here, £80 million there pretty soon you're talking real money.


Quote from: Michael O’Leary
CEO Michael O’Leary says he wants to make people realise they are “no longer going to have cheap holidays”

Ryanair is threatening to ground its planes to persuade voters to “rethink” Brexit .

Michael O’Leary, the budget airline’s chief executive, said he wants to “create an opportunity” by making people realise they are “no longer going to have cheap holidays.”

He told an audience of airline leaders in Brussels: “I think it’s in our interests – not for a long period of time – that the aircraft are grounded.

“It’s only when you get to that stage where you’re going to persuade the average British voter that you were lied to in the entire Brexit debate.

“You were promised you could leave the EU and everything would stay the same. The reality is you can leave the EU, yes that’s your choice, but everything will fundamentally change.”

Mr O’Leary warned that there would be a “real crisis” as flights between the UK and the EU are disrupted after Brexit.

He said: “When you begin to realise that you’re no longer going to have cheap holidays in Portugal or Spain or Italy, you’ve got to drive to Scotland or get a ferry to Ireland as your only holiday options, maybe we’ll begin to rethink the whole Brexit debate.

“They were misled and I think we have to create an opportunity.”


EasyJet chief executive Johan Lundgren, who was on stage alongside Mr O’Leary, interrupted him to say: “If you start grounding your planes, I’m flying.

I'm guessing he knows what he is talking about...  ;)


Perhaps you missed this

Given that there is a range of other and far superior budget airlines I wonder if this will end up being O'Leary's Ratner's moment....?  rubschin:

http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/07/ryanair-boss-threatens-end-cheap-holidays-make-britain-rethink-brexit-7367981/

O'Leary would do or say anything for publicity.   If he said grass was green or any other truth it would only be by random chance he said something right

He'd probably even climb on a roof and fall off it

Well, whatever nevermind

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Re: From the Fantastic Headlines thread - No Fly After Brexit
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2018, 03:49:54 PM »
It's over when it's over.  I accepted the result but I cannot accept the wilful incompetence of how May has pursued it.  I say again there is a decent deal to be had. 

You seem to be conflating the two types of flight route

- flights to and from the EU

- flights between two EU countries

Very different rules apply.  Easyjet need to do both types of flight.  How an Austrian HQ works for them I do not know


I'm not conflating anything...

We've established that flights are possible to/from EU and non-EU countries.

We've established (thanks TMR)  that it is relatively simple for an airline based in a non-EU country to fly within the EU. . .
No we haven't

Is it simple that Easy are establishing a company based in Austria to protect much of their business model?   Two sets of overheads and they will have to pay taxes to Austria that would have gone to us.  £80 million here, £80 million there pretty soon you're talking real money.


Quote from: Michael O’Leary
CEO Michael O’Leary says he wants to make people realise they are “no longer going to have cheap holidays”

Ryanair is threatening to ground its planes to persuade voters to “rethink” Brexit .

Michael O’Leary, the budget airline’s chief executive, said he wants to “create an opportunity” by making people realise they are “no longer going to have cheap holidays.”

He told an audience of airline leaders in Brussels: “I think it’s in our interests – not for a long period of time – that the aircraft are grounded.

“It’s only when you get to that stage where you’re going to persuade the average British voter that you were lied to in the entire Brexit debate.

“You were promised you could leave the EU and everything would stay the same. The reality is you can leave the EU, yes that’s your choice, but everything will fundamentally change.”

Mr O’Leary warned that there would be a “real crisis” as flights between the UK and the EU are disrupted after Brexit.

He said: “When you begin to realise that you’re no longer going to have cheap holidays in Portugal or Spain or Italy, you’ve got to drive to Scotland or get a ferry to Ireland as your only holiday options, maybe we’ll begin to rethink the whole Brexit debate.

“They were misled and I think we have to create an opportunity.”


EasyJet chief executive Johan Lundgren, who was on stage alongside Mr O’Leary, interrupted him to say: “If you start grounding your planes, I’m flying.

I'm guessing he knows what he is talking about...  ;)


Perhaps you missed this

Given that there is a range of other and far superior budget airlines I wonder if this will end up being O'Leary's Ratner's moment....?  rubschin:

http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/07/ryanair-boss-threatens-end-cheap-holidays-make-britain-rethink-brexit-7367981/

O'Leary would do or say anything for publicity.   If he said grass was green or any other truth it would only be by random chance he said something right

He'd probably even climb on a roof and fall off it



So it is all a publicity stunt...?

Nothing to see here then, move on business as usual.  cloud9:
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Re: From the Fantastic Headlines thread - No Fly After Brexit
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2018, 03:58:12 PM »
Mostly publicity stunt but there is a risk of impairment of Ryanair's business model and that's probably at the heart of Leary's hyperbole

On the wider matter this from my earlier PM

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PS if you want to know what I really think is the In/Out position here's an on the record outline of it. http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/single/?p=10092440&t=30509537

with a later post:

Quote from: Steve K,(time=1519739615)
Well no one has challenged the analysis of the OP

So here's my conclusion

IF you believe the UK can have a significantly beneficial trading future outside the EU and/or you believe that the EU migration would have continued unmitigated then you should be a Leaver

OR

IF you believe the UK will significantly lose out on beneficial trade outside the EU and/or you believe that the EU migration would decline to tolerable levels then you should be a Remainer

Just about all the rest is minor or false

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My real issue is there is no evidence any of May, Fox or Boris could get us that "significantly beneficial trading future outside the EU" if they found it stuffed up their arse

David Davis would stand a chance if they'd just resign, die or perhaps preferably just shut up trying to appease Rees-Mogg
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Re: From the Fantastic Headlines thread - No Fly After Brexit
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2018, 04:02:13 PM »
Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see if he really does ground all the planes or not won't we...?
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Re: From the Fantastic Headlines thread - No Fly After Brexit
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2018, 04:04:21 PM »
Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see if he really does ground all the planes or not won't we...?
I wouldn't hold your breath

Well, whatever nevermind